Men are not emotional like women, they keep it cool, they are rational, inteligent, direct. Also the older they get the wiser they become. 80 years old is prime age for leadership and these men in particular are peak strong and capable leaders. /s
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So the answer is to aggressively prevent any nationalist authoritarian from getting power. Got it.
Soooo as someone who’s never been Christian, who is Abraham and are there gods of other people?
Abraham was a schizophrenic born in Iraq who believed in only one god. His ideas spawned Judaism. That's the old testament. The first successful sequel was the new testament which introduced Jesus, which is Christianity. Then Muhammed came along with Islam which is based off Christianity.
Since then the fandom's have been squabbling on-off causing the deaths of millions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions
And yes, though “god” is a very malleable word depending on what you mean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism
This is an ideological conflict. The ordinary citizens will be the ones paying the price for this because people responsible for the conflict will keep escalating it.
Rabindranath Tagore really proved to be a prophet when he called a 'nation' to be a political(in this case, there is no distinction between religious and political) and economic machinery that doesn't care for the individual.
I'd politely disagree - it does not appear to be ideological at all. All of these are authoritarian overlords fighting over their own power.
Perhaps yes. But, they also have their own ideological stances. For Trump, it might be some mix of neoliberalism and fundamentalist christianity.
For the Israel dude, it is Zionism (whatever the heck that is), presumably. I don't know much about it.
For the Iran dude, it is Islam that's more conservative. I don't know how far he leans to that side.
It is really hard to discern, to me, if they are doing this for ideological reasons or authoritarian reasons. Or Is there any difference between the two? I don't know, to be honest.
It's weird to put two guys committing a genocide against one guy enforcing blue laws.
Especially when the first two guys have killed more Iranians over the weekend than the third has killed during his entire tenure in office.
Except Netanyahu is atheist. If you wanna play this game it can be played, an atheist is committing genocide.
(citation needed)
I think they are referring to Netanyahu being of secular Jewish upbringing. This is a philosophy that puts the religousity of Jewishness on the background and focuses more on the cultural and historical aspects.
Secular Jewishness is quite entangled with the Israeli state and is compatible with Zionism.
When questioned about it I would not expect him to say he's an atheist, though, but he doesn't openly deny or affirm his faith. He said he believes in god, but it's not religious.
Citation : https://religionsfacts.com/does-benjamin-netanyahus-branch-of-judaism-matter/
He's a secular jew and believes in god. However he is not a religious practitioner. I don't think he will personally assert to be an atheist, though.
https://religionsfacts.com/does-benjamin-netanyahus-branch-of-judaism-matter/
Politics is just a bunch of old men helicoptering at each other while the rest of us watch, suffer and die.
All people do these days is watch old men helicoptering, suffer, eat hot chip and die.
Until a younger person gets into office, then it’s a younger person doing the exact same.
To be fair, rape, genocide, and punishing women for shit that isn't their fault are all biblical values.
They're really not values... It's history. The old testament is a story of people becoming better over generations, and the ebb and flow of it
…is it really though
Yes. Every society has their own origin stories, and that's what this is
Rome had Remus and Romulus. America has Christopher Columbus and the founding fathers
They're a mix of actual events, myth, and the morals we aspire to as a society. Even very recently formed countries reframe their history this way
Actual history, when you study it academically, is mostly petty people making personal decisions that work out. It's messy compromises and opportunities falling into people's laps. Sometimes there's ideals, but it's mostly compromises
But that's not what we generally teach... We always frame the story in a way to highlight the values we believe define us as a society. Even when we change the story - what we teach to children is always a reflection of the values we aspire to
You need to understand that most of these people have never cracked the Bible open, let alone actually try to read it as a collection of 55 separate books mostly chronling One tribe and of their stories covering poetry, life lessons, spirituality, morality, etc over roughly a 3,000 ish year time span bound in one binding.
Or to put this in perspective. Imagine somebody made a supercut of all Star wars media ever produced all of the clone wars episodes, the prequels all of the new Disney shit and they made it into one massive supercut. That's what the Bible is.
I understand that... But imagine you have all these star wars fans who love dressing up like storm troopers and doing crackdowns. They're even in government, screaming "for the empire!" as they bomb random people in the middle east
And obviously, a lot of people are going to think Star wars is evil
But reading the Bible without commentary is like a vaccine for the mind virus. Especially the gospels, they're short and based as hell
The mental gymnastics required to replace mutual aid with magic is truly extraordinary. That's why they explain the Bible to kids, sentence by sentence, to make sure they don't accidentally understand it
There's not a single line. You've said that I disagree with across either of your comments. But it's not even just the Stormtroopers. It's the people that are going on and on and on about how Star wars is the story of jar jar Binks and not the story of the skywalkers...... And the Binks people are the majority of the Star wars fans at this point
That's why they explain the Bible to kids, sentence by sentence, to make sure they don't accidentally understand it
That really is the rotten heart of the probelm. Doesn't matter which flavor of fundamentalist. Christian/Jewish/Islamic fundies all pour that mind poison into children.
Psalm 137:9 says it's a value. Some translationa say you will just be happy if you bash babies against rocks. But most say you will be blessed for doing it. That makes it a value.
It's literally a curse against their enemies. Like it's that simple
Psalms are prayers to God, it's all just a book of poetry. They're not laws, they're not divine commands, they're literally just feelings in flowery words
The slavery stuff isn't in Psalms. What apologetics have you memorized for those?
The claim that the Psalms are just poetry is going to be heartbreaking to anyone that cites them as prophecies about Jesus. There are, what, 25 different ones that people use that way? It's the number one source of old testament retroactive bias confirmation that JC is the Messiah. Take away their predictive qualities by making them just prayers said by people and you destroy the best resources for people to justify their core beliefs.
In your attempt to back up one claim you have destroyed 25 others and the bulk of the reason for the new testament. That was not a good move.
I genuinely see no conflict here, and I think anyone who does has gotten caught up in a narrative. I don't really care if their picture falls apart, if it requires magic than show me how it works...But I think the book explains it already, indirectly
What is prophecy?
The US empire will collapse, and its not going to be spectacular, it will happen with agonizing slowness.
In a moment of enlightenment, I knew it was true. I'm having a lot of trouble accepting it, even years later - I still wait for people to take to the streets and take back our democracy, or for a solar flare to give us a reset. I'd rather be there to rebuild or have AI or aliens save us... But that's not going to happen, is it?
Deep down I understand it's cope, intellectually I see how it fits together. I know how this plays out in general terms, but I haven't seen the future. I've just seen the full picture for a moment
Is that a prophecy? Because what I felt at that understanding was despair and resignation. I could write a poem about it, does that make it a prophecy?
You lost the thread and went into beep boop beep territory there.
In short prophecy is anything that people look back on and say "wow, they sure got that right" even if they didn't get it right and it wasn't until after the fact that anyone even saw something as having predictive pretenses.
I tend to think there's more to it... Otherwise it's just a prediction. And I don't know wtf beep boop beep territory is supposed to mean
I don't think prophecy is that stupid though. It's genuine wisdom, it is a thing that can be done, when you empty your mind of desire and for a moment you can understand how the systems you know play out. It's floating the stone for society if you will, letting go of yourself long enough to use your understanding objectively
And that's my whole fucking point. The poetry is irrelevant. David or whoever could've looked at Jewish history, which is all about wise men rallying the people, and determining "this too shall end" and predicting it would come in the form of another wise man
The claim that the Psalms are just poetry is going to be heartbreaking to anyone that cites them as prophecies about Jesus
That's completely fine. The early Christians went to great lengths to try to say "this bit here was prophecy, and here's how our guy fulfilled it". But nobody was viewing those passages as prophecies before then. It was all marketing for a weird little offshoot of Judaism on the fringes of the Roman empire which happened to take off centuries later.
That's what I said. It was hindsight bias turning things into prophecy and not "it's all happening like the prophecies foretold.". They were so desperate for prophecies they even made up ones that never existed, I'm looking at you Matthew 2:23.
But the commenter said that they had no value other than poetry. They are just the prayers of men. And in doing so they ignore the completely made up but very real world necessity of the Psalms to justify people's belief. For without the believers' ability to use them as prophecies, even if they weren't intended as that, the majority of the case for JC as the Messiah vanishes.
The old testament is a story...
The whole thing is a story and shouldn't be taken seriously but here we are. People like to pick and choose which parts of the story are worth following. Old or new testament doesn't matter, believe in one then you have to believe in the other.
That's nonsense. For one, Jewish people exist, and for two you can just read it for the ideas
I've read lots of religious texts. Lots of mythology and creation myths too. It's not take it or leave it... They're ideas and stories. Ancient wisdom, universal aspects of the human experience, philosophy and manifestos for the perfect society
You can just read it, they're not killing people for interpreting it "wrong" anymore
Old or new testament doesn’t matter, believe in one then you have to believe in the other.
Have you ever met a jewish person? jfc.
1 Samuel 15
The Abrahamic god is pro-genocide, and routinely commands the Israelites to commit genocide.
What is a god? The Bible speaks about many gods, different kinds even. Are the Creator and the god of the Israelites the same?
What are they referring to here? The will of the people, the mandate of heaven, the super organism created by the abstractions of a group of humans - he didn't follow it as king. He was supposed to be executor of the will of the people, and he didn't deliver the "justice" they demanded
I'm not the one saying the sky daddy is whispering in people's ears. That's not how it ever works, does it? It's always people going off to meditate, and coming back with sometimes inconvenient moments of enlightenment
Oh, and let's not forget when the god of the Israelites changes their mind... It happens kind of a lot
What you're saying is heretical, just fyi... But if it allows you to feel better about yourself then go for it.
Of course my takes are heretical. I actually read the source material
The Roman Catholic Church was created by Constantine to blend the Roman religion with the trappings of the early church, which they massacred but couldn't eradicate. It was spreading through the legions and threatening Roman rule, so he stole Jesus's name. Then, for a thousand years, they killed anyone who read the book and came to inconvenient conclusions
Jesus was born in July, and he was a philosopher and a revolutionary. A based as hell guy. Had a lot of good ideas that are very relevant today
Their governments should just rotate each leader once in a while just to keep things fun .... I doubt anyone would notice or that it would change world politics
Can we just have these 3 fight in a steel cage?
This is what bugs me the most, old people saying crazy shit is normal. The blame is kind of on the rest of us that they got into power.
"Father Abraham had many dumbs, and many dumbs had father Abraham..."
It makes me sad I know the song, still.
Seniority should demote individuals, from positions of power, to those of advisory.
Privilege readily blinds those who experience it.
Authoritarianism is most attractive to the weakest.
Religion is the most destructive human invention.
I’m not into kink shaming, unless practicing it inflicts harm in a non-consensual manner.
Don't forget sending people into offshore jail and refuse to let them go, and support and indirectly encouraging genocide.
Yeah, out of all of the things to list... Not releasing Epstein files is at the bottom of the list.
If the war didn’t mean innocent civilians dying everywhere, I’d have posted this:

This is a great meme for whitewashing imperial terrorism.
We've been having idiots like this for thousands of years. Some things never change.
As long as enough people are narcissistic and lack empathy, this will happen. Because at the end of the day, conservatism is narcissism. As is easily demonstrated in all tthe "leaporads ate my face" social media groups. Where you can see them cheering something on when it's hurting others, and then crying as soon as it impacts themselves or someone close to them.
When did Trump ever claim to have backing of God?
Ooohh...Putin must be so jealous !!!
all 3 are genociding. iran with the history ba'hai faith.
Well modern Iran is built on persecutions. Be it Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians, Mandaeism, Ba'hai all were persecuted, even sunni and sufi muslim also persecuted.
Peak lib shit. Y'all can't tell the difference between imperial genocide and its victims. This is why y'all keep losing.
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