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Microsoft has admitted it cannot protect EU citizen data from U.S. government access, even when stored in European data centers. In sworn testimony before a French Senate inquiry in June 2025, Microsoft France's legal director Anton Carniaux stated "No, I cannot guarantee" that French citizen data would never be transmitted to U.S. authorities without explicit French authorization[^1].

The admission stems from the U.S. CLOUD Act, which compels American companies to hand over user data regardless of where it is stored[^1]. While Microsoft claims to resist "unfounded" requests, they must ultimately comply with legally valid U.S. demands[^6].

This revelation has significant implications for European data sovereignty, as U.S. firms control 69% of Europe's cloud infrastructure[^1]. The issue affects all major U.S. cloud providers - Microsoft, Google, and AWS must all comply with U.S. surveillance laws including FISA, the CLOUD Act, and Executive Order 12333[^6].

European officials worry this creates dangerous dependencies, as sensitive government, healthcare and business data could be accessed without EU oversight[^14]. Some experts advocate shifting to EU-based providers operating solely under European jurisdiction[^6].

[^1]: Forbes - Microsoft Can't Keep EU Data Safe From US Authorities

[^6]: Wire - Why Big Tech Can't Deliver True Data Sovereignty

[^14]: Fudzilla - Microsoft can't keep EU data out of US paws

Well, it's clear that the EU can't avoid leaking data to the US, when they continue using US Cloud providers, irrelevant if they use MS, Google or any other. They can force MS to have OneDrive desactivated by default, let the choice to the user if he want to use it or any other EU provider, if he can't o won't to use Linux, but there is the same problem when he use US cloud providers, is there where tha data are property of the corresponding company and the gov "to protect the childrem and making America great again"

EU sovereignty in soft an services, better yesterday as tomorrow, FTUS

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    What a surprise.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    As if they even tried

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    [–] 86 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    More reasons for the EU to build their own data centers.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    And demand telemetry removed from all US services and products.
    As it is now it's illegal to collect on children, but it should simply be completely illegal.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    OK, who actually did think that data in Microsofts hands were safe from US meddling?

    Any bit of data sent to an American server has to be considered compromized.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Yeah nobody did. I've heard this kind of talk since the Patriot act went into effect but it wasn't really a problem as long as the US weren't overtly hostile to our institutions.

    Right now a lot of people are scrambling to alternatives, at least in certain circles. Personally ive been gearing up a "de-americanization" service I plan to go to market in early 2026. It's gonna be great cause for the first time in my career I can go all in on communicating my opinions to potential customers \o/

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    No they can't, they never could, and it's way way overdue for EU to finally wake up to the reality that all US owned cloud services are factually illegal for any European (EU) authority to use, from kindergartens to courts and everything in between.
    It is also illegal for any private company operating in EU to hold any user/customer/personnel data on servers owned by American companies.

    I've been saying this for more than 8 years now! Because this became apparent already under Obama, that the US government can demand, any data in any country held by any American company, to be handed over. Furthermore they can do this in secret under anti terror laws. And the companies affected are not allowed to mention anything to anybody, under regulation of steep penalties.

    This was what Obama claimed was a balanced approach!
    And the Republicans are worse!
    And now it is very apparent that the checks and balances don't even work. The current American administration will do whatever they want, and worry about legality later. And threaten any opposition with secrecy under national security and anti terror laws.
    Keep way way away from any American form of server/digital service and especially cloud services.
    And also keep away from American telemetry. Which all ought to be illegal in EU.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What did you think the point of the "cloud" was?

    It wasn't to make computing better.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think the point is to make money.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It was control. I guess money comes along with that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No I'm pretty sure money was the original reason. AWS was the first big cloud player and it quickly became the most profitable part of Amazon.

    Now Microsoft already had more money than they know how to use, they may indeed have been looking for control first and foremost. But the idea of cloud in general was about exploiting economies of scale to make more money

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No gov should allow their data in Microsoft hands simply based on this...

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    So what we’re saying is the CLOUD Act made it illegal in many countries to use American software and services that have any form of cloud storage?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Only option is to not use Americans products and services.

    America cannot be trusted. At the end of the day the current US administration is a mere symptom, not the root cause.

    As another poster mentioned, there is far more similarity between Obama and Trump than most Americans would like to admit.

    No disrespect to sane Americans. It is a disaster for global democracy that America has de facto transitioned to a chauvinistic oligarchy.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It can't keep any countries' data safe from US authorities, yet most of the world's authorities are using Microsoft cloud because their IT personnel is a bunch of bought and paid for Microsoft buddies

    Mind you, medical information from people all around the world is stored on private US servers. Good luck if you're trans, or have a"deviant" sex life!

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I hate that MS is so widely used by companies across Canada

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Ofc they can't google, meta and Microsoft are the three pillars of US intelligence gathering network.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Realities like this one are forcing entire nations to move to FOSS, more accountable systems, etc., which is a good thing for many of us, but bad for those who are in jurisdictions that they just can’t get enough of Microsoft et al.

    A far journey ahead but at least we’re getting there!

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    Isn't there some kind of sketchy corporate structure they could use to skirt this if they actually cared about data sovereignty?

    "Sorry Feds, this data is actually held by Microsoft EU and not Microsoft".

    Or do they only do that sketchy shit for dodging taxes and protecting people's data is a bridge too far?

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It does not work anymore. It used to work, that is why America passed the cloud act: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Okay so AFAIK this concerns when US companied have foreign subsidiaries. What if foreign companies have US subsidiaries? Can the parent company's data stored outside the US be required from the US subsidiary?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    The won't is irrelevant because they can't, the American anti terror law, gives major rights to any American security agency and even ordinary police to demand data. The only hurdle is a court order. And the agencies have their own anti terror courts that ONLY work with the agencies and only get their info from same agencies, because they are supposed to work in secret it can't be taken outside.
    Faced with such a court order, the company is forced to keep it secret too, and they cannot defend themselves, except to the secret court that works closely with the agencies!

    And it's the same for Google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple and any other American company. Microsoft has just admitted it, which isn't even necessary since this info was revealed by Edward Snowden just over a decade ago.

    And Obama claimed USA had found a fair balance, the fair balance being that the government services can do just about whatever the fuck they want.

    Microsoft even admitting this is probably bordering on being illegal, as this is supposed to be a secret, although anyone interested can look it up.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To noone's surprise, really.
    Feels good to be a Linux user, but I suppose some data gets snooped on anyway in various ways ...

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    This is from July 2025.

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Dated: Jul 22, 2025 at 07:56am EDT

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  • 1 comment in c/Obviously@europe.pub view that post

    Can't or won't?

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