This is why advocating for "finding middle ground", or centrism, or this repackaged warmed over Abundance crap is so toxic.

You can't match these people half way. you have to beat them

"The problem is, they are getting crazier and crazier."

They're not, they just don't feel the need to hide those parts of their goals any more, and you should have listened to us when we warned you about those goals.

And you should be listening to us now about their future goals.

Goldwater was absolute dogwater but he was right about republicans in 1981…

“On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs."

"Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

Even after all of that, she still doesn't get it:

I think many of our most extreme ideas are bad. But theirs are worse.

The problem is that "our" (using quotes as I'm only progressive, not LGBTQ+) most extreme ideas are only held by a minority of progressive people, and meanwhile the things she thinks are their "most extreme ideas" are the ones that she saw personally, while interacting with people who don't mind interacting with a trans-woman. Those aren't their "most extreme ideas." They're their mainstream ideas.

She's comparing our most extreme ideas against their mainstream ideas.

once again ignoring entirely that trans masc people exist and we are impacted by the bullshit she spouts as well. what impacts one of us affects all of us, and I am not your fucking sister.

First off, Brianna Wu is not my sister or comrade, so she can write that down.

In a negotiation its important to ask for more than you want. Compromise is what you reach during negotiations. If you start your negotiations from a pre-compromised position, you're just ceding ground to the other side.

Support the extremists. Support those who go too far and ask too much, as that's the only way to reach a fair and reasonable compromise.

Is Brianna wu grifting to the left because she realizes there isn't a place for her on the right anymore? I'm a bit too cynical to believe this is legitimate since the right has been like this for quite a while. Just with the trump admin the center right position on the trans movement is not a profitable option for pundits anymore

If this truly is a come to Jesus moment, I'll believe it if she can back it up over time

A good compromise is never just halfway between two policies. It requires understanding both perspectives and addressing their actual problems. So the compromise here would be trans rights for trans people, and free mental health care for anti-trans people.

"You know, I'm starting to think these ethnicity-critical Nazis can't be reasoned with."

Wu is just the latest poster child for Reactionary Uncle Tom washouts. There's internet graveyards full of would-be pundits and ex-liberal turncoats who realized far too late that The Log Cabin Republicans and Blacks for Trump weren't going to protect them when fascists came knocking.

The thing you need to recognize about Wu - more than anything else - is that she comes from money. Look at my Porsche collection money. She's reactionary because that's where she eats. And pivoting her identity as a Trans Woman into an income stream as a reactionary poster is just the path failkids of the GenZ+ generations are trained into.

Brianna Wu is a product of her material conditions. In a better world, she wouldn't be able to horde wealth at her neighbors' expense. And she wouldn't have an economic incentive to fuck over her Trans peers in hopes of maintaining her precarious position among the wealthy elites.

It’s sad she’s so close but still on ‘I want a middle ground on these issues’ really? Like…. She is okay with a little disrespect? A little discrimination?

Not my sister.

You don't move the Overton window in the direction you want by preemptively moderating yourself. You move it by taking a more extreme position perhaps even than you actually want, in order to normalize it.

For those who are not familiar with Brianna Wu: She has tried to be a left-wing grifter, before she discovered that it got her nowhere and thus decided to be a right-wing grifter instead. She tried to the right-wing's "good trans woman", agreeing with everything they said, until the above message. And yeah, she is already trying to spin this yet again...

And if you think that all of that is rather weird, she is also the creator of this masterpiece.

The problem with compromising for a “middle ground” is that, when the right decide to re-litigate the issue (if they ever stop litigating to begin with), your starting position is now that middle ground. Compromising for a middle ground simply moves the Overton window to the right.

I just replied to another comment with this but I'll put it as a top level comment here because I think it's important.

I want MORE right wing idiots to realize they're wrong and join our camp. The more the better. Remember, these people are still our neighbors, they still exist and we will have to interact with them outside our homes. I want more reasonable people, so when we do have converts, please receive them with open arms.

Okay, you were a huge idiot, but welcome to sanity part 1. Of they're big enough to realize they were wrong (and they've had a LOT of brainwashing, it takes a lot for them to snap out of the crazy) we should be big enough to say bygones.

I understand the want for revenge because they were "the enemy". I understand, they were a huge asshole and now we have to play nice with them? That doesn't sound fair! But I think we have to, we want to welcome more idiots into sanity and reason. The less idiots out there, the better. And for what it's worth, there are people that listen to her, if they can now be on the side of reason, they can pull a lot more people with them.

If we don't we'll make it harder for people to move out of the right wing camp, and I want much much less people in the right wing camp

Importantly there is an immediate follow up tweet,

2/ I consider my business settled with all trans sisters. If anyone wants to reset things, unblock and move forward, I am happy to do that

I'm glad she was able to admit she was wrong, that's absolutely a step in the right direction, but it's just a step. I don't want to speak of behalf of "trans sisters", but I certainly wouldn't consider the matter closed. She's apologized, great, but there is A LOT more work to be done.

Ah, Brianna Wu. Theres a name Ive not heard in a while. Always looking to grift off something or other for her own gain. I wonder what she needs money for this time...

Yeah, I have been so dissappointed after her turn in the past few years. Like WTF was she even thinking was going to happen. These assholes are not ever going to be anything but assholes.

i like how she’s still worried about "our extreme ideas"

what extreme ideas??? that trans women should compete in women’s sports??? the extreme idea that trans women are women???

i’d say my most extreme idea is that trans kids should be able to start HRT when they (and their cis peers) start puberty. and that’s only an extreme idea if you believe that trans kids are less deserving of a normal puberty than cis kids.

Some people need to learn about the alt-right’s cultivated ignorance via hard experience.

The rest of us work just fine via observation.

“Meet me halfway”, says the unreasonable man.

You take one step forward, and they take one step backwards.

“Why can’t you meet me halfway?”, complains the unreasonable man.

And thus, conservatism in a nutshell.

Better late than never but bitch we ALL warned you

Here is what you should do, Brianna:

Delete your twitter and never post about trans issues again. When you have been so consistently wrong about about something for such a long time, it is the best thing for everyone to simply accept that you shouldn't be part of the conversation anymore rather than trying to claw your way back into it.

(I know she isn't actually reading.)

I feel like I'd rather die for having to much faith in humanity than too little. And on that metric, I can't help but think BriannaWu was doing something right approaching right-wing nutjobs the way she did.

But more importantly, I'd rather not die in either of the aforementioned ways. What she did was definitely done out of (perhaps admirable) naïveté. And she's clearly grown as a person from the experience.

All that said, I don't know that she's got the best positions on everything. She says she believes that "trans women don't belong in women's sports" and she wants a "middle ground on bathrooms", both of which seem... problematic (even if the right wing wasn't so maximalist and radical about things.) And that part makes me wonder if the rest of the tweet was made in good faith, honestly.

Progressives have given so much ground that their encampment is on middle-ground.

Fuck the middleground.

Genuinely surprised this was not in Leopards Ate My Face

Someone lived under a rock.

I don’t think she’s right wing. Maybe in the same way that I jokingly call people right wing when they’re wrong, but I don’t think she’s actually traitor lunatic.

The fact that this is dated Nov 1st... How the hell could it take you this long to figure it out??

I remember a long time ago someone told me “you can’t reason with crazy.” These people are living in a completely unrealistic universe and do not have their wits about them. You can call them evil or whatever, but even so, they should be getting help from a medical professional because whatever is going on with these people is completely toxic, unhealthy, and destructive, even for themselves. I’ve pretty much written off anyone who still supports this administration a couple of years ago, as any reasonable person has already abandoned Trump and anyone else he associates with.

Oh… I know… I’ll walk through the chainsaw robot cave… they are triggered by motion… they tear anything that moves to shreds… yeah, that’s where I’m going to walk…

I honestly don't understand how you can be conservative LGBTQ+. You existence is progressive.