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[–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

This isn't even an unpopular opinion in the US right now.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Upholders of democracy? When?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Self-proclaimed.

    To be fair, they helped setup one of the most advanced democratic systems... in Germany. They themselves were never very democratic to begin with.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You mean in post WW2 Germany that had more nazis in government than during the war?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Goes to show how good that democratic system was, that even with some nazis in government (though the "more nazis" is clearly a lie) no atrocities could be committed and instead a pretty stable system with solid minority rights emerged.

    Compare that to the US system which only survived on gentlemen's agreements and people playing by imagined rules, and as soon as someone in the president's office stops caring about the rules the whole system comes crashing down.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    some nazis in government (though the “more nazis” is clearly a lie)

    Apologise for calling me a liar:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/10/germanys-post-war-justice-ministry-was-infested-with-nazis-prote/ And this is from the nazi loving UK rag.

    OC I expect nothing better than revisionism from a germ, who have fascism in their blood.
    Constantly on display in the ghoul VDLeyen, their pigs beating anti-genocide protesters, their government supporting the genociders and extreme-right trash population.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Ok, show me a source that says that there were more nazis in government after the fall of the nazi regime than before.

    That's what you claimed, and that's a lie.

    It is correct that too many nazis were in government after the recreation of germany, but it's a lie that there were more after.

    I'm not German, and you have no clue what you are talking about.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm skeptical there was ever actually a time the US empire was a positive force in the world or even neutral, we've been doing messed up stuff for our entire existence as a country.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There are plenty of things America has done wrong but it’s a straw-man to say it’s only been bad. The Marshal plan is a clear example of America doing a clearly good thing even. Just cuz it’s a mess right now doesn’t mean it is always the case

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    A straw man argument is one where you are misrepresenting an opposing position, so I don't think the term quite fits here. I'm not trying to claim it's never done anything good, but even the arguably good things have always been more about calculated self interest than any real concern for human rights or welfare:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

    The purpose of the Marshall Plan was to aid in the economic recovery of nations after World War II and secure US geopolitical influence over Western Europe.

    The only major powers whose infrastructure had not been significantly harmed in World War II were the United States and Canada.[30][31] They were much more prosperous than before the war, but exports were a small factor in their economy. Much of the Marshall Plan aid would be used by the Europeans to buy manufactured goods and raw materials from the United States and Canada.

    WW2 left the country in a position of relative economic power, and in the following decades it used its greater influence the same way it had before (eg. the wars in Hawaii, the Philippines, Cuba etc.), to advance the cause of global capitalist exploitation and brutally suppressing even democratic opposition to it.

    To me the main change here doesn't seem like the US becoming substantially more evil than the already substantial evils of the past, just getting worse at acting coherently in its own interests, acting against its allies instead of just geopolitically marginalized victims.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    BS, they profited directly from it as it was done by US companies and partially in loans.
    Not as important as the "upholders of democracy" at the same time making Europe their vassals OC.
    Pure self interest.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't think you deserve to be down voted, but I'm positive this isn't an unpopular opinion here

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's þe rules of þe community: popular opinions are downvoted, unpopular upvoted. I agree, and don't believe it's unpopular, especially for Lemmy - so, downvote.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I'm an American and we deserve it.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The problem is outside of like, China, most places don’t have much economic leverage against the US.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Yes Russia crumbled instantly after sanctions from the US and all their vassals.
    Reality is they're rapidly losing importance and when it comes down to money most of the world will drop the US like a hot potato and choose other partners.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Kind of an oversimplified view I think. Russia did and still is experiencing shortages and economic impacts from US sanctions particularly for tech related things, but a lot of the resource gaps are just being filled by other countries also under sanctions.

    So it forms kind of a split economy, if you subtract all the shell companies and obfuscation techniques used to circumvent sanctions anyway 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    OC they have some negative inpact.
    But they pretty much made the 'western sanctions into a joke on the EU and US.
    I would say that shows they have more than economic leverage against the US than vice versa. They have massive amounts of resources the world needs and the EU can get on their knees and thank Russia that they still are getting some (circumvented) oil and gas or we would be in even worse shit than we are now.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I'm not defending a lot of America's actions rn but no shot they are a bigger aggressor than Russia, who is literally in the middle of a full-scale land invasion to annex their neighbor.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don’t know that this is unpopular per se but it would be bad politics. The US is too much of an economic powerhouse

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    GO FOR IT!!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    America has clearly become a hostile nation. I can't wait to see them get kicked out of free and unfettered democracies. Their bases no longer ha e a place in the wide world. They need to go home and fix their own problems.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    This is very brave

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    LOL "went from being “upholders of democracy” just after WW2 "
    Never happened.
    They always liked fascism, saved plenty nazis during and right after WW2.
    Welcomed pure fascist states under Franco, Salazar and others in their NATO warmongering gang of thugs and did nothing but topple democracies, steal and loot.
    And this was the same before WW2.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    They actually had Nazi rallies and were very supportive of the nazi party that's why so many white supremacists in US hate Jews because of Nazi relationships. Let's just say the KKK had more in common with the Nazi's than they did with helping Europe.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    And they only chose to 'fight' against the nazis when they were sure they had lost (Stalingrad 1943).
    Royally late and with the only purpose of getting a part of Europe under their control before the Soviets got it all and killed their nazi friends.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Also why so many nazi scientists were imported. Who cares when you already have white supremacy at home about crimes against humanity.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Everytime they mention the scientist, which is pragmatically understandable.
    Ask them why they saved 1000's of SS troops that hadnothing to offer and commited massive warcrimes.
    It's total proof the US/UK supported fascism.
    But you won't read any of that in the history books.

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