Elon Musk’s polarizing political actions since acquiring Twitter, later rebranded X, in 2022 dramatically hurt the automaker’s U.S. sales, underscoring how deeply its fortunes are intertwined with the billionaire’s persona.

The findings quantify for the first time how the political actions of the world’s wealthiest person – including his role in U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration – may have cost Tesla billions in lost vehicle sales while benefiting rival electric carmakers.

Tesla’s U.S. sales would have been between 67% and 83% higher, or about 1 million to 1.26 million additional vehicles, from October 2022 to April 2025, had it not been for what researchers call the “Musk partisan effect,” according to a working paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research by Yale University economists.

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[–] 138 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Then why are they wanting to pay him 1 trillion dollars? Rich people are weird.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Then why are they wanting to pay him 1 trillion dollars? Rich people are weird.

    Because Musk is asking for it, and the Tesla board who are all his hand picked friends, are the ones that vote on it.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The board doesn't vote on his compensation package, the shareholders do. The pay committee proposes his compensation package to the shareholders and then they all vote on it.

    https://fortune.com/2025/10/27/tesla-board-chair-robyn-denholm-shareholders-elon-musk-1-trillion-pay-package/

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    The board doesn’t vote on his compensation package, the shareholders do.

    Are you being willfully ignorant or are you not aware that during a proxy vote, shareholders that don't cast an individual vote let the board vote for them? The VAST MAJORITY of shareholders don't vote. This hands an enormous amount of votes to the board that vote how they want. A proxy vote that goes against the boards recommendation, is very rare in the corporate world.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    He put two LED light bars on the old Model Y and came up with a cheap Model Y that covers the existing glass roof in headliner fabric.

    How is that not innovation?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Don't forget he took the lidar sensors out to make self driving way better. Oh wait

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Radar and ultrasonic. I don’t think they ever had lidar.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It had lidar rangefinders I believe. Nothing like the lidar scanners on actual delft driving cars, but still better than just cameras.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Tesla has never used lidar. As the other person said, they did use radar and ultrasonic detectors until covid supply chain issues when they decided to go camera only.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I guess not, but affordable small and very simple LiDAR range finders (ToF) have been around for a while. Not the fancy spinning scanners on Waymo and military robots. More like parking sensors and measuring tools.

    I remember when the Israeli company that was developing Tesla’s first automation systems dropped them because it didn’t like the reliance on cameras only that Musk was insisting on.

    Edit: removed useless link and provided Wikipedia page with better history of the hardware used. Mobileye dropped Tesla in 2016. Funny enough they were developing Lidar after dropping Tesla, but are more recently going to a camera only approach too. I’m still skeptical any firm will succeed with only mostly visible spectrum photons and have a safe product. But as secondary backup safety devices I’m ok with them. They shouldn’t be allowed to call any of it autodriving or autopilot though.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They removed plastic hooks from the frunk to save two cents. Same with rain detectors on windshield for auto wipers.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I was going to say “what about the cybertruck” but I guess everyone wants to throw him in an oubliette for that.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You’ve cost us billions in sales! Your views are killing the company!!

    Are you going to fire me?

    No! We’re going to pay you MORE!!

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Customer base most likely to hate nazis: people who buy EVs.

    Customer base most likely to love nazis: people who buy trucks that get 2 mpg.

    Guess the pedo genius found that math problem a little too difficult.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I remember all those news articles "Was this a Nazi salute? Can we be sure?" lmao

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Feels like if he could just STFU he'd be golden. I remember when he was widely seen in a positive light. He was practically messianic on Reddit back in the day. Then his innate pettiness came out when he called that diver a peado. It feels like his mask slipped then and everything after just reinforced the fact that he's an unchecked and uncaring megalomaniac.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    That's why a lot of people admired him until early 2010s. Hell, I have a photo from 2014 pride parade with a rainbow model S being centre of attention.

    Luckily for us, shutting up is a rare skill for such assholes.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Elon Musk’s politics Nazism cost his firm Tesla more than one million EV sales

    Fixed it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And not even just that. Also his bullshit acting like he was the president, speaking for the president, and his dodge bullshit.

    Fuck that guy, he's a real piece of work on all areas.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "Musk partisan effect"

    Fucking hell, these people can euphemism their way out of anything. It's the Musk Is A Fucking Nazi effect. Just say it as it is. How is this guy still allowed to be a director of a company that he is actively hurting? Are there no laws regarding fiduciary duty? Shareholders ought to be rearing him to shreds, not voting to pay him more.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    The richest man in the world is the main shareholder. You can thank our government for giving him massive tax payer subsidies instead of investing in multiple American run businesses. I’ve noticed our government likes to give all of our tax dollars to South African apartheid Nazis who are now looting our government and stripping our freedoms because they think they haven’t gotten enough.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Just say it as it is.

    Ivet said ot a few times in.a thread on.a local Australian forum about buying Tesla's and.the post just gets deleted.

    Australian's are atill buying heaps of them and we only get 2 models, the 3 and Y.

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I love Electric cars and Sattelite internet and Spaceships.

    WTF has this asshole made all the things I love awful and unacceptable.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    These guys actually made me realize satellite grids are not a good idea, they're in places they're not supposed to be and use lights that weren't authorized, meaning about 1/3 of ground-based telescope exposures are being ruined right now. Negative externalities abound.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    How about horizon pollution, I can see those shitty things with my own eyes.

    How about the huge increase in risk of a Kessler effect?

    How about that for most people this won't even be necessary as most people don't need low latency satellite internet? I'm sorry if you're on a boat in the middle of the ocean and have to deal with a high ping while playing fortnite or something but your low ping is not worth the downsides

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Or destroying the ozone layer.

    Up to 4-5 Starlink satellites now burn up in Earth's atmosphere daily, releasing aluminum oxide particles that catalyze ozone destruction. Each 250kg satellite releases about 30 kg of aluminum oxide when it burns up, forming nanoparticles that persist in the stratosphere for 20–30 years, continuously damaging the ozone layer. With plans for up to 42,000 Starlink satellites (plus thousands more from other companies) all on 5-year replacement cycles, annual reentries could exceed 8,000 by the 2030s, adding 360 metric tons of aluminum oxide per year, 640% above natural levels.

    The Montreal Protocol, which successfully phased out CFCs and enabled ozone recovery, does not cover aluminum oxide pollution from satellites. The FCC currently categorizes satellites as “extraterritorial activities” exempt from National Environmental Policy Act review, meaning no environmental assessment is required before launch approval. By the time the full impacts appear in the 2040s–2050s, the damage could be irreversible.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Their orbit is too low for Kessler syndrome. If every starlink blew up today, it would only take a few years for all the debris to fall to earth. It's the higher geosynchronous orbit you gotta worry about.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Kessler syndrome is not a big deal here. These particular satellites are so low they would self-deorbit after like 5 years. That’s an argument that more should be at such a low altitude. Let them collide, and drop out of the sky

    You also forgot all those rural people that still don’t have another way to get internet. Yes they should have an option

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    round-based telescope exposures are being ruined right now. Negative externalities abound.

    I can't help but think we could have done it with a reasonable number of sats. we put so many up it was like it was just a flex to make spacex profitable

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    That whole heil Hitler thing was wild, who could forget it

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    The fact that he was still given a position in the White House after he explicitly outed himself as a Nazi is really telling.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Technically, at least according to the court records and the admins defense, Elon Musk never had a real position.

    But yes, he spent way too fucking much time at the white house.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    No, there are no "court records" that say that. If you want to believe this administration about it, that liquid falling in your face is only rain, don't worry about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Idk why you're getting so mad about semantics, I'm just saying that piece of shit Elon Musk never had a position and never will.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's weird to pretend that I'm mad when I'm simply correcting you. I'm just saying that Elon Musk was the head of Doge and I don't see any reason to pretend he wasn't, especially because the administration would like to pretend that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    You insinuated that I was drinking piss, thats not normal behavior and you should see a professional about your mentality.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    One million so far

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    One million sales? It needs to be all sales. Don't buy swasticars.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    For a while, I saw them all over the fucking place, probably 50 on my commute.

    These days I see 2-3 and very rarely see the trucks. I wonder where they all are now. I seeing 10 of the trucks per day. Now, maybe one.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You're kinda lucky. I see them everywhere with their goofy vanity plates, and way too many swastitruks with crazy wraps.

    I don't think they're all muahaha nazis, but they do have an air of aimless consumer zombies who ignorantly bought something ridiculous to show everybody how cool they are. (Kinda like musk himself.)

    And they sure do drive like their "autopilot" could do a better job. Geeze.

    As far as most dangerous, aggressive, petty idiots on the road go, my low expectations are tied between "tesla products" and "white pickup trucks with obnoxious stickers and a toolbox." Followed very closely by "My brand new enormous Mercedes SUV says I can do whatever I want."

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    For a while, I saw them all over the fucking place, probably 50 on my commute.

    Same. Almost 1 in 3 cars that I saw, at one point, was a Tesla (in certain areas).

    They're still around, but definitely not nearly as many.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I saw one a week or two ago with several bumper stickers apologizing for Musk and literally explaining that they got the car before we knew.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    For as long as Musk has been in the picture, he has been a walking red flag inferno. "I bought it before he went crazy!" Dude, it has been so clear from the beginning he's crazy, you're just ignorant AF.

    People are so stupid. Even when I told them he is crazy they try to defend the guy. Only now they come with these dumb bumper stickers as they cannot find ways to defend him anymore, so they try to cover their ass with a fucking sticker.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It should have cost him all the Tesla sales. The fact that it didn't is creepy and scary

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    As a consequence, he's the richest person in the world and Tesla is a 1.5 Trillion dollar company. It has TEN times the P/E of companies like apple, microsoft, and google. More than 5x Nvidia, even.

    Why do we live in a world that rewards the worst shit? I mean even Trump is a real billionaire now.

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    He doesn’t care, there is nothing that can really ruin him financially, and the idea that he would ever be convicted for a crime is ridiculous as well.

    These people, the ones who have control over the major levers of power, they have completely insulated themselves from accountability, they are all psychopaths, and many are nearing the ends of their lives, so they are particularly nihilistic and dismissive of the consequences of their actions.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    He doesn’t care

    Ohh but he does, he has a terribly thin skin. He'll never hurt for money, but he's deperate to make his mark on the work that isn't branded an utter failure.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah we gotta remember this is a guy who paid someone to play Diablo for him in an attempt to look cool.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Eh, I dunno, none of that is really dissuading my opinion, and in my experience most “normies” still see him as a visionary, albeit an erratic and sometimes arrogant one. He has a “cocoon” of acknowledgment, and his place in the history books is ensured at this point.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The companies were good before he bought them. The only visionary thing he did was buy them. Every time he gets in there and starts flipping switches and pulling knobs, they become worth much less.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    And yet that's all he shall ever be remembered as. The moment he's dead, make sure every statue, plaq and memorial he tries having built is rusted always by some magical compound that rhymes with peach

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I get it for those that were stuck in a loan, etc...totally understandable. But yeah, I have no idea why someone would buy his cars knowing what we all know now.

    Unless they support Nazis.

    I was pricing various solar setups and quite a few options involved the Tesla name. I just cannot imagine putting that on my house, which is likely to be something I hang onto even longer than a car...

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