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[–] 102 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Opt out is idiotic. Don't buy this shit! You to not own it. What fuckwit dumbass rents a fridge someone else controls for $2k. I bet it has a camera inside to sell grocers a list of what to mark up for your custom pricing nonsense because you bought a billboard that screams I'm a gullible moron with more money than sense.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And here’s how to opt out.

    I'm opting out by buying a significantly cheaper non-smart fridge. Which luckily is still an option.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was ready gawk at what ads on my fridge would look like, and then this. I don't know what I expected.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Here’s what they look like on my fridge:

    I would not buy appliances with ads,
    I would not buy them, Sam-I-Am.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago

    Guess what they look like on my 250 Dollar dumb fridge.

    I can even keep my food chilled with it. Plus I can freeze stuff. Even has a light when I open the door. Super practical. You guys should come see it!

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I can't think of a single thing on a fridge that needs to be smart.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    ads

    its the same people that bought the 2k beds, and aws froze and heated up the beds.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not 2k beds. 2k bed covers. You still needed your own bed.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I thought I read about beds also being stuck in a reclined position.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That version is significantly more expensive. Still requires you to bring your own mattress lol

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Nothing needs to be, but I do like to monitor door status and temperature for my fridge and deep freezers with home assistant.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Have these functions actually proved useful? I think I've had maybe one fridge failure in my entire lifetime that resulted in a complete loss of contents. And many dumb fridges these days have open door alarms.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    The only time I've ever lost anything from a fridge was when an apartment complex preemptively cleared out the last of our belongings before we finished moving out.

    And that was 30 years ago.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The door monitor mostly helps when a kid walks off leaving it open thinking they closed it.

    The freezer temperature monitoring has saved the contents several times. A breaker had tripped once and I didn't notice, it let me know that I needed a generator during a power outage, and one of the kids snuck an ice cream and left the lid wide open.

    So yeah, it's been useful. It's not needed 99% of the time.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    An alarm that beeps when the door is left open more than X minutes (say, 5 minutes) only requires a stupidly simple circuit and about $5 in parts.

    No smarts needed (though it's probably cheaper to make it with a microcontroller than have the timer circuit be done with discrete parts).

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  • Hmm, my fridge is in my kitchen, which is in the middle of the house. I've never been in a situation where the fridge door has been open more than a couple minutes without me noticing, and I have three kids.

    I've had two fridges die (well, the same one twice), and that sucked, but there's not much I could do about it even if I knew a few hours earlier, and I use the fridge enough I'll notice within a few hours. Refrigerator deliveries often happen after a few days, and I'm not going to keep stocking ice during that period, I'll just consume what I can and move the important stuff to the mini fridge or chest freezer.

    It would be cool, sure, but it's not worth having it connected to the internet.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    Why. Why would anyone buy a fridge with a screen. We have lots of screens. A fridge does not need a screen. It is a fridge.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    As a Home Assistant geek, I would love to have a tablet built into the fridge door that I could 100% hack to display useful information and such. Currently I have an Android tablet on the wall that does this, but one on the door could be cool, especially if you could setup a place for virtual sticky notes that you could leave reminders and such for family members.

    It’s not worth it for ad space though and I wouldn’t want it to be required for the fridge to operate either!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    My household has a shared calendar we use to plan events. I've thought about a project before just to put a big view version of that up somewhere for people to reference, but I've been hesitant because it's a large household and having to play tech support every time it goes wrong isn't something i can do.

    If i could get a reliable screen on the fridge that could display that, along with maybe a Reminders List and your sticky note idea, that would be perfect. With ads though that's a big nope from me.

    Even excluding my stance on not wanting ads, that's how you find out the 5 year old accidentally bought something, or that something was leaked in a big data leak. That's just something i don't want in my home

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    So a whiteboard with dry erase markers?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And a clock, and a weather forecast, and a picture frame...

    A screen has a lot of potential. But not if it works against your interests

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    So for a clock and picture frame you’re not gunna believe this but…

    And for a weather forecast I mean just make a widget on your phone’s home screen, it’ll be fine. The techification of every damn fucking thing we have is ridiculous and we so happily dive into filling our lives with nonsense just to have a theoretical 1% improvement in efficiency that we don’t even need.

    I’m not saying we need to throw out all technology but we also don’t need to jam modern tech into every single aspect of our lives.

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    There are tablets with docks available. E.g. I could use Pixel tablet with the hub for that, even with privacy-supporting GrapheneOS.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I was about to say… I have a laptop that can go anywhere in the house, including the kitchen. It’s not tethered to any one location and can do all the things that fridge screen can do, and much more. Laptops also have ad blockers freely available.

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  • [+] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The fridge is also a good location for it, and you’d have to otherwise run a wire across your fridge to power your own tablet.

    What? How is the fridge possibly a good location for it? In what world could that ever be true? And do you not have wall outlets in your kitchen? Put your device on the counter!

    I mean... what?

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Ok, so let's say you're making dinner and you want to watch something at the same time. Perhaps you're chopping vegetables on the counter. Do you really want to be looking at the front of the fridge while you do that? If the fridge is against the same wall as the counter you need to crane your head back to see anything, and if it's on a different wall you need to turn your head a totally different direction. Why not use one of those tablet cases with a kick stand and then put the tablet right in front of you, on the counter? Like right in front of the the cutting board you're using.

    I don't know, I think if you do anything other than putting it right in front of you, you're gonna and up losing some fingers instead of chopping veggies.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    The fridge is a very inconvenient location though.

    My tablet sits on the counter where I am prepping food when using mealie, or where I am standing to cook when I am talking with someone over Jitsi.

    Tablet batteries last far longer than any session I am at in the kitchen so after words it just goes to the charger for tomorrow.

    No need for wires during use, and its charging station is where ALL my devices chargers are.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This is an amazing article. I'm serious. Very well written. This is my favorite part:

    I asked Higby why they were bringing ads to the fridges. He said via email, “This pilot further explores how a connected appliance can deliver genuinely useful, contextual information. The refrigerator is already a daily hub, and we’re testing a responsible, user-controlled way to make that space more helpful.”

    This is similar to the justification Panos Panay, Amazon’s head of Devices & Services, made to me last month when I asked him about advertising on its Echo devices. He said it was looking to be “elegantly elevating the information that a customer needs.”

    Do these people actually believe this? Do they see advertisements in their own lives and think, "ah yes, that was useful and contextual. That was a helpful ad, elegantly elevating my information." I've seen some delusional people in executive-level roles, but that would be a special new class of delusion. Nobody likes ads. I recognize that some people have higher and lower tolerances for them, but nobody is actually grateful for them. Right?! I need to believe this is true.

    Both companies claim they want to offer “curated,” “relevant” ads that might “enhance the experience.” I can buy that to some extent when it’s ads for features that your smart fridge or smart display offers. This tech is complicated and capable, and most people only tap into a fraction of what their devices can do.

    That's generous. But ok, maybe I can grant the premise.

    But there is no future where third-party advertisements will ever be welcome in people’s homes like this — even if they happen to show me a brand of pet food right when my dog is looking at me with hungry eyes.

    Right. Exactly. No matter what, I can think of no situation in which an ad is serving the customer's interests. Maybe in the case of a coupon? But even then, I think it's dubious.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately, it is paywalled. Can you copy the text for the rest of us?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I like TikTok ads. I am not a material person, so I am generally hard to shop for. But since TikTok came out, I am able to provide a list for people of cool gadgets and stuff that aren't too expensive. Do I like any other ads? No...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Interesting. I have not had that experience, on Tiktok or elsewhere. I do have a similar experience with tech reviewers' videos on Youtube, though. Albeit not the sponsored ones.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah they earn a commission, so it really incentivizes them to find products to promote that people actually want.

    The only ones I hate, are the ones where they pretend to be a regular video and then turns into an ad 3 minutes in.

    And this isn't an endorsement of Tiktok, just the advertising model.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Any "ads" that appear on my fridge will be because I was given a $2000 fridge free by the company. Only idiots pay for appliances/services that include ads.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I still wouldn't buy it, but I agree.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If they gave me the fridge for free, I'd use it, and spend a bunch of time figuring out how to remove the ads. If it's not possible, I'd just unplug the screen.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'd expect it's probably not possible to unplug the screen without unplugging the whole fridge XD

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It shouldn't be that hard to take apart the fridge door and cut a few cables...

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  • Maybe, maybe not. But even if there isn't a chip that makes the fridge stop working when you do that, it would definitely void your warranty, so when the fridge stops working for some other reason later on, you would have to buy a new one XD

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    can't wait for the ice dispenser dlc

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Since it's a Samsung ice dispenser, that's a recurring charge: Service calls.

    (Seriously though, I'll never buy another Samsung appliance after my experience with that fridge's ice dispenser)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Same experience with them here. The LG replacement fridge w icemaker also sucks and stops working for months at a time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Oh! I've had no real problems with my LG.

    The made ice occasionally gets stuck and has to be knocked loose, but that's no big deal - not like the Samsung freezing the whole mechanism into a huge block that prevents accessing it to clear it out.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Cool, they're giving me a free $2,000 fridge? Because there's no way I'd have that fridge otherwise.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    There's a future coming where every fridge sold will come with a screen for ads, and not necessarily any other smart features.

    Once people accept this shit, there's no going back.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I have never bought a fridge in my life. When I bought this house the owner just left the current fridge behind it has no branding at all and is basically a white box. The only smart feature it has is that it beeps if you leave the door open (although honestly it's not really much use since it only starts beeping after 10 minutes which I feel like is too long).

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    The irony of this article being paywalled is the chef’s kiss.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Every day an open source initiative for applicances makes more sense

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Unless you build it and code it yourself, do not get a smart device at any cost. Even if they're on sale for $5. (Unless you're just planning on reselling them I guess)

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    No that's what the front of my fridge will never look like, no matter my net worth. I will never buy a smart refrigerator, certainly not this model from Samsung!

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    An old cooler with gas station ice is preferable to this bloated spy crap they're producing nowadays.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Happy with my ad-free dumb fridge.

    Let me know when the smart fridge can track when I'm low on essentials and toggle them unchecked on my shopping list, WITHOUT phoning home, and with no fucking ads. Don't need a screen either.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nope. Don't want a fridge to track what I eat. Don't want anything to track my data unwanted, just give me a fridge which cools and has a working door. No fancy features, just basic functionality and silent. No smart dishwasher, oven, microwave, washing machine, tooth brush, bed, watch, home hub, locks, lights, etc. I want a smart phone and a smart girlfriend.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    WITHOUT phoning home

    If the data is offline, then it only serves you without selling you out. I know it's unrealistic; why would any corporation make something that benefits consumers and not themselves?!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Worth pointing out that that “Target figured out a girl was pregnant before her father did” story is almost certainly untrue: https://www.predictiveanalyticsworld.com/machinelearningtimes/target-really-predict-teens-pregnancy-inside-story/3566/

    I agree with the article that getting ads on a device you’ve already paid for with no hint that there would be ads is intrusive and a sad sign of how tech is going (in the same week that it was announced that Apple are going to be adding ads to Maps, too). But I also can’t help but wonder - who the fuck wants a smart fridge? Like, legitimately, what is the advantage over a normal fridge?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Not a "smart" fridge per se, but I can see the use of a screen on my fridge; something where we can see our family calendar, leave notes for each other, and maybe also be able to access the grocery shopping list. Weather would be nice too, though you can keep the news widget (yikes). Something in a visible location in our house, where we go every day.

    I'm not sure what other features they advertise with a smart fridge, but those few would be nice; especially if I could just plug a raspberry pi into it and skip all of the Samsung nonsense entirely.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    We already do all of that (except the weather) why would I need a screen?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    We're a family of six, and the kids don't have phones. It's tough to coordinate schedules already and it's only going to get worse.

    I recognize that I'm an edge case.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    You’re not an edge case. My family isn’t that large but we still have challenges with this exact thing.

    There’s a screen device that my wife gets incessantly advertised to her that is probably a better option than it being built into a fridge that has been engineered to last 3 weeks longer than the warranty.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I was trying to say there is paper. That's what we always did.

    And still do for that matter.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We've tried paper. And dry-erase. The problem is that we keep our calendars and todos and schedules on our phones, which don't automatically update the paper; and by the second week, we tend to just stop manually updating it. There's a paper calendar in my office that I just flipped to October last week (from August).

    The only way that really seems to work, where we don't forget an event, is having a single digital shared calendar.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    and the kids don’t have phones.

    So just the two of you?

    Also, if you do end up sharing a digital calendar on a device you already have, what is the fridges for?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    My wife and I have phones where we keep our shared calendars, yes. But we have four kids who also have their own lives and schedules, and they often want to know what's going on, what our plans are, etc. They would value being able to see the day's upcoming events, too; when the play dates are, when the dentist appointments are, when the days off of school are, what we're eating for dinner, all of that. Currently, their only access to that information is through our phones.

    Having a screen in the kitchen that only shows calendars and a couple of other pieces of data would be useful. We wouldn't want to be able to watch videos or browse websites on it, though.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I opt out by never connecting it to the internet.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I believe I will continue to use the same fridge that has been in the house since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    imagine paying 2k for a fridge just because it has a screen and stupid smart shit. basic fridge please and thank you.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    No, won’t look like anything as I will never buy a product like that.

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