Reading through Platner’s many hundreds of anonymous comments, it’s hard to paint him as a secret white supremacist or far-right extremist of any kind. In fact, his posts more or less align with the persona he has presented to voters in the two months since he launched his campaign: a rough-around-the-edges military veteran and oyster farmer with a penchant for crude language and a passion for firearms and sustainable living who holds a variety of standard progressive views alongside some heterodox ones.
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I smelled a hatchet job.
Is it from the republicans or liberal dems?
Well, for the terminally online, the knee has already jerked. And in their defense, once bit, twice shy.
That being said, the number of terminally online Mainers for whom the oppo was a deal breaker probably can fit in a swimming pool.
And there are two things happening at once in this story. One is, the primary thread of the oppo; Platner did post those things, Platner did have a tattoo.
The second thing is the oppo release, its source, Mills, Schumer, and the act of Mainers being told who to like and whom to vote for. And at least in last weeks polling this seemed to be the case. So who does the oppo work on? Early polling seems to be showing that the timing of Mills announcement and the research being release/ coming from some of the least popular standing groups (specifically, corporate Democrats).
So it looks like the oppo was supposed to work on the more progressive types (and clearly, has been, I mean, look around), and that while thats been effective, Mainers dont care/ dont like being told who to like. This oppo dump may actually end up working against those who sourced it (corporate Dems). We need the polling pudding to thicken up a bit, but should know more when polling comes out this week (weds/ thurs/ fri).
that seems unlikely, considering i'd never heard of the man before this
Everybody is talking about Platner and that is fine, but i wanted to recognize the Jacobin for publishing this.
Here is a socialist magazine defending a man with a sketchy tattoo on the basis of the bulk of his posts. Jacobin (and Marcetic, the author) are cutting against cancel culture accusations and upholding the truth-finding principle of good journalism. Bravo.
I think for many people getting a tattoo is a huge deal and we would never allow our skin to be marked without out a lot of forethought.
But I think there is a good chunk of the population that doesn’t think about it and don’t see it as a big deal. I think a lot of these people are concentrated in the military, the lack of forethought is increased when you are in a job that may well see you killed soon.
I’d like to see him reaching out to new and old military members to educate them on the meaning he apparently didn’t know about and pushing them to remove it.
Someone with some art skills should come up with a suitably cool modification tattoo that neutralises the nazi aspect and but still lets these guys support and identify with battle mates.
It’s not their fault the nazis happens co opt heaps of cool symbols and I don’t blame some 22 year old jar head for not knowing history (they should but the US education system has a lot to answer for).
If you give people an easy way out that lets them save face you’ll only be left with the actual racists.
To be fair, just look at all the people who have Chinese words written on them that say something that they weren't trying to say. How many of those people have had those tattoos for many years without ever learning that they were incorrect or fixing them?
I wouldn't go this route personally, but I know enough about tattoos to say with a high degree of confidence that many people just pick something out of the books on the day of the walk-in because they think it looks cool. I could totally believe this guy and his marine buddies said "that's a cool skull, let's get that".
It's like, how many people have Punisher stickers or t-shirts but have never read a comic book in their lives? Probably most of them...
If I had Chinese symbols saying I was a nazi tattooed on me, I'd be at the nearest open parlor to get it covered up the same day I learned about it.
If he really did somehow just learn about it during the campaign, it should be gone by now.
Edit: which apparently it is, so good on him for that.
Yeah, that is generally referred to as "flash". The catalogue of stencils that an artist has on hand for walk ins and the like. And considering this was apparently some hole in the wall in Croatia (unclear if it was when he was in the military or at Blackwater), there is a good chance that entire catalogue was full of nazi shit and this had the least amount of swastikas.
But you, and many others, are fixated on him getting it. Which... it raises questions on his judgment, but people do stupid shit all the time. The issue is more the having kept it for 20 years while being terminally online (almost impossible to have not seen the Mitchell and Webb "are we the baddies" meme that is literally about totenkapfs) and being a self proclaimed military history buff. And then 5 years ago having talked about "punisher skulls" in association with, gasp, SS totenkapfs.
No true Scotsman faults the guy for making a mistake 20 years ago. We very much fault him for not having rectified it at all in the two decades since.
To be fair, just look at all the people who have Chinese words written on them that say something that they weren’t trying to say.
To be perfectly honest, I would never vote for a politician with an un-researched Chinese tattoo, either. It means they're very stupid or, at best, simply don't think about consequences.
simply don’t think about consequences.
The "consequences" of a tattoo, on your own skin? No one gets a tattoo for someone else. Unless you are just anti-tattoo, I don't think anyone should give a fuck about the "consequences" of a tattoo.
If you're walking around with the word "STIR-FRY NOODLES" on your arm you are not someone who I trust to make laws.
What about a cartoon character? What about a "deep" quote like "to thyself be true." Is that ok? "Live, Laugh Love?" Can you provide a list of "acceptable" tattoos for others?
Fair enough. Drunk 20-somethings military dudes getting a walk-in tattoo in some random country probably aren't going to be making many smart decisions. It was clearly not a well thought-out tattoo.
Nevertheless, I don't think the debate is about whether this guy got a bad tattoo or not, it's about whether he is a nazi or knowingly got a nazi tattoo.
Even if you know history, this is a fairly obscure symbol. I would bet there's a lot of people who know a lot about WWII and still wouldn't recognize it. For one, I don't think I would. I may have an "I've seen this symbol before..." moment, but I don't think I'd place it correctly on the spot.
Just as a context for people like myself that want to get their own look onto the tattoo situation. I cant find any less blurry pictures, but the shape matches quite well. He already got it covered up now, so no way to check.
This is an Nazi SS Totenkopf badge:

This is the tattoo:


The resemblance could be coincidence, maybe the artist who drew the flash knew what it was, but if you walk into a tattoo shop and want a skull and cross bones you could pick this off the wall.
I didn't know about the totenkopf until this news broke. If I'd seen that before I'd have thought it was just another death's head or pirate's Jolly Roger.
*A socialist work place and hating cops might align with a pirate's ideals.
I also didn't know about the Nazi connection, it looks like something a biker would have, which should have been a red flag to the imagery I guess, but it looks like a kind of standard skull to me otherwise.
I have a raised eyebrow on Platner. He seems genuine. A couple of odd details admittedly. But unless he's some kind of psyop candidate, he seems fine enough. I do wish his cover up for a Nazi symbol was much further away from the accusation than Celtic symbols.
If that's actually him, then good for him for covering it up. I'm still not sure if I believe he never knew until now, but at least he's willing to put in the effort to change himself, quite literally.
The Platner thing is interesting, I wanted him to succeed, I liked what he was saying but the totenkopf is too far.
His messaging was generally good. Mostly appeals to emotion but what little policy he had generally sounded like a step in the right direction.
But he also has no political background whatsoever and little to no activism/charitable footprint. All he ever was was "what he was saying" and... Fetterman got elected on a progressive platform and trump STILL talks about draining the swamp and stopping the Washington elites.
Nobody is saying we should only elect establishment politicians. But actually having a track record goes a long way whether that is in lower office or just a long, documented, history of activism.
Also, Smith-Rodriguez pulled out late last week (?) and is also a military veteran (no Blackwater tour though...) who had a VERY demsoc platform with actual plans and details. But she is a she and was driven out and, last I saw, endorsed Mills (?) because she was a victim of sexual assault during her time in the military and can't support someone like platner (even before totenkampf-gate...).
Because... it fucking sucks when the person you Believed in sucks. But that is why you pay attention and learn and adjust.
I mean... why? It could've been a swastika and it would mean nothing if he wasn't a Nazi, which we have no reason to believe it is given his Reddit history. Hell, morally there was no obligation for him to cover the tattoo after knowing what it was, because symbols don't have moral value.
the fucked up thing here is how did they find his reddit account? That post was years ago and he didnt even use some stupid username like "RealGrahamPlatner". Makes you wonder if those reddit post removal tool work at all...
- They don't. Reddit still has a copy of everything you have ever typed on that website (even moreso now that they auto-save every draft message). They need to for liability reasons in case you were doing a Trevor Moore impression and talked about where you would put a mortar. It just has the added benefit of still providing training data for LLMs.
- I can't be sure what jacobin magazine was using, but CNN et al have already linked to actual archive.org scrapes of reddit that include his messages. I am not personally sure how "p-hustle" was linked to him and whether he disclosed that or others figured it out.
People latching onto this like it’s some huge dealbreaker or a story about someone traitorous to progressive politics, you are probably the same people worked up about Hasan’s dog.
What? These two things are not at all the same.
Platner seeks a position of power and the mere existence of a nazi tattoo shows questionable judgement at best and nazi sympathies at worst.
Its a pretty tame position to take in not wanting a politician with ANY connection to nazis
What? These two things are not at all the same.
Actually... they are probably more linked than they really should be.
This isn't about whether the blackwater merc who lied about his 20 year old nazi tattoo is actually a hero or a chud. It is about people having made up their mind and viewing anything else as "fake news". People made up their minds. They are presented with new information. Rather than re-assess, they just assume it is "a smear campaign" and immediately disregard all new information. And then it just devolves into tribalism.
And that is true whether it is about The Father Of Leftist Thought having some bad takes, The Hero Of Socialism PROBABLY having some Thoughts on the SS, or Some Rich Bastard Who Sits In Front Of A Computer For 13 Hours a Day maybe not being the best pet owner. Just like He Who Will Drain The Swamp being corrupt as fuck or The Smartest Man On Earth being an edgelord nazi dumbass with a breeding fetish.
Because of The Algorithm, we basically sit in content bubbles 24/7. You constantly are listening to people who reinforce your own beliefs (or, more likely, convert you to theirs). When you see new information? It isn't just wrong. It is an attack on your very sense of being and thus must be a lie. It is the same reason why basically any internet argument in the past few years isn't "Huh. That is some new information I hadn't considered but I think this information might cast some doubt on that" and instead "You are being disingenuous and I refuse to look any further because I already made up my mind so we should both agree to disagree on whether I should inject bleach into my gooch"
And just to add on: I think the constant "HE IS OUR ONLY HOPE" stupidity is a mix of people not realizing this isn't the election going on right now and is actually for 2026 (so 13-ish months until the general) combined with people settling scores over "Well... we have like 3 months until the general so Kamala is it". If we didn't have time for a primary when there were 3 months to go we OBVIOUSLY can't have time when it is Our candidate and we only have 13 months.
Why are people so fucking stupid? Idiots who probably didn't even know what a totenkopf was a week ago are now like "OMG secret Nazi 😱."
Are you saying he didn't serve in the military?
Or are you saying he did apologize for spreading capitalism with the sword of US imperialism?

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