Specifically, Teams will detect if the user has connected to the company's own Wi-Fi and automatically set the work location accordingly to the respective building.

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[–] 110 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Implementing useless features and fixing nothing since 1975.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Actually true. I have no idea what features that were actual improvements, at least since windows 7.

    Windows is the same shit it always was. A total mess of slow, ugly programs and lots of annoying notifications and stream of updates that makes the system slower and slower.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Dont forget the constant shuffling of buttons and menus so that you are constantly learning everything for the first time and can never become proficient at using their software.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Where in the FUCK in Outlook currently is an option to use preformatted text? It's not a style I could pick nor I could find an option to make my own. I send copy-paste from terminal every now and then and if it's formatted like normal text it's nearly useless. It used to be a text style I could pick, but this new-new-new-classic-new outlook doesn't have it anymore.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    just wait till you learn about how accurate hot desking software is.

    Jesus Christ, if you didn't think your company knew if you were in one building or another before today, you're a fucking idiot.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I mean, it's a useful feature.... But only if you have a good company culture.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Which is as probable as winning the lottery.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They exist, but people don't leave them once there, so new jobs don't come up as often.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'd argue they evaporte more and more every year as companies are acquired or if they get a new CEO that's all about cutting costs blindly without any regard for quality or quality of life.

    Not many left.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Yes, I worked at one of those pre-covid. I remember my colleague leaving her laptop and work phone on her desk at the end of the day around 4pm. We also had small offices with 2-4 people in a historical building right in the city center.

    Then we merged with a bigger company, their culture ate us, and all the best people left, the rest are sitting in an open office at the edge of the city. Funny enough, I worked on the merger as one of the leads, I was so happy getting an oportunity like that while young. Now looking back I realized that it was a bad thing we have done (not that we had a choice), and the end result is worse for employees, customers, and even shareholders.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Agreed. I feel like I’m in one, and the things that make us thrive are being tested like an immune system, against what feels like a deliberate Maek Number Go Up infection. It’s stressful and I can only try to trust that it’s necessary. I guess we have to keep that stock number up or else we get bought and destroyed by a competitor.

    Not a fan of this whole system sometimes.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Fun fact, you can use most of teams through teams.microsoft.com

    Do yourself and your coworkers a favor and minimize how often Teams is running. If anyone asks just say the desktop version was buggy - no one who has used teams will deny it.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Luckily this kind of data is illegal to use in Norway

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This seems like surveillance disguised as a mostly useless feature. If you are in the office and logging into a video call, you’re probably using the hardware in a conference room and not your own laptop. That hardware will already display the room you are calling from to everyone on the call.

    The only reason for this feature is to tattle on people who aren’t where they say they are.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Teams is so slow and is missing so many quality of life features.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Teams isn't the program actively spying on people (yet), that's Viva engage.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    So if I'm reading this right, won't a VPN totally fuck with the system? Cause its a nessessity for some to get into local networking.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    No, because this isn't looking at networking, it's looking at wifi access points

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    So if I'm using something lime Cisco secure client this bypasses the default security? I'm still missing something here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yes. Teams is software that runs on your computer. Based on what's described here, it's now going to ask the wifi driver what access points are available

    Then it will send that info through the VPN along with the voice and video

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    How does that work when I remote into a Windows Virtual Desktop in Azure and use that for teams? This is probably 80% of my teams use.

    Or use a Linux device? Will it tell teams my networking information?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It theoretically could through the azure remote desktop client since Windows owns every part of that stack and has no concept of not stealing all data. It probably doesn't because it would involve coordination between several teams

    It could work on Linux, but probably doesn't because the Linux version of software tends to have more autonomy and better priorities

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Just keep moving the Wifi APs for maximum chaos and open bug reports to Mircosoft since location service is unreliable.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    All it does it checks in which location/building you are. While moderately intrusive I cannot really see a straightforward relation to home working - surely people don't pretend to be in the office when they are working from home?

    Situation may be different if you wish to go longer term abroad without informing your employer who thinks you are still in the country, just working remotely. But I can see it as a potential legal issue anyway.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Those are all thing that can be controlled by the direct lead on any well run company.

    I know from my own work that some mediocre middle managers wanted a rigid technological enforcement of the hybrid work framework and are probably dreaming about rolling out a "feature" like this.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I guess the only part of this that is remarkable is that they are doing it with Teams.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There's a whole bunch of ways to do that already. This isn't really new

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The fact that Cisco has been able to triangulate your phone's wifi mac position in 2d space for a decade is unrelated. It's how protesters are being tagged and tracked on the day.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just create a wifi mirroring the one you use at work at home, done.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't connect to the company wifi at all. No good can come from that.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why are we pretending like someone working hybrid needs to hide their office status during work hours? Its not a privacy issue for your work to know where you are while you're working for them.

    Plus there is already a ton of ways your employer gets this data its not like any new ground is being broken here.

    I dont get the outrage with this one NGL.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Slippery slope surveillance.

    I worked at a shop where the boss was very curious when people went idle. So, if you were white-boarding a problem with a peer, you'd both get asked later where you were -- since your mouse was idle.

    It got tiring. it was one of the reasons why I left.

    But those people are out there, and they're hindering the career of people who appear idle because #goodhartsLaw, and sometimes you don't know they're doing it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    That to me seems like micromanager issue more than an issue with thr software. There are plenty of good managers and teams where they get great benefit from being able to at a glance see if you're in office that day. In every team ive worked in its expected to update your status to display where you are working.

    I'd like to not have to update my status as often and have it update automatically, save everyone a bit of hassle.

    If we think about the bad micromanager situation a bit more without this they might be less comfortable with the idea of having people work from home so giving them this info helps them keep track better which allows them to give their team the freedom to remotely work.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)
    1. No way it's accurate to a single room
    2. This would have to be set up by the company. There's no way to automatically detect room from a specific AP or whatever.
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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You are correct, but you would have to read more that the title of this post to know that. To copy what op already cited:

    set the work location accordingly to the respective building.

    It will only tell you in which building the person is, not in which room.

    And yes, the company still has to tell teams which building has which Wi-Fi SSN. So this is completely on the company to enable and configure

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Sure there is.

    Keep a database of bssid’s and their gps coordinates.

    Triangulate your location by the bssids around you and their signal strength.

    You can use the netsh command in windows to see this info. You can use an app like geomac to see the location info of bssid’s from google, apple, Microsoft, and others.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Since consumers hate AI, the only way to keep the bubble going is by pivotting hard to selling worker surveillance software to businesses and trying to normalize the culture of it, Microsoft is a loser company.

    Previously, Teams already offered the option to manually set the work location. This is intended, for example, to help colleagues orient themselves in a large office complex or on a campus. With the upcoming update, this process will be automated by the software determining – likely by comparing details such as the IP address or MAC address of the router – whether one is actually on-site.

    ahahahaha what a bullshit excuse

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't know why anyone would expect otherwise from Teams?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    This is on work devices controlled by company-run AD/Azure/whatever MS calls it these days. This is not something you need to worry about on a personal device.

    This is also part of why I willingly carry two phones while on the clock. When I'm off the clock, my work devices get shut off and kept in my backpack until next shift. Very few people I work with have my personal number, and they know never to use it except for life/death emergencies or memes.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    I understand the hate on teams. But this is too allow for the correct location data for e911 and first responders. This makes sure they show up at the correct building when Tim goes from hq to the production building and has a emergency and calls 911 via teams.

    Edit: lmao, sorry for trying to add some context and activity to the post. I'll stay out of this community. <3

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No, it's so your boss can spy on you more...

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    Anybody who calls 911 from teams deserves to die anyway

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sorry to inject some shades of gray into your very black and white life but your supervisor actually needs to know where you are if there's a fire or something. Or, at least, mine does.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Really because up until now it hasn't seemed to be a problem? Everybody seems to be managing just fine without it for the last 10 years, and organizations using different communication tools seem to make do.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Teams doing it automatically based on what network your computer is connecting to might be appealing to places where it's been tracked manually. I'm not saying they aren't doing it to monitor work from home, but acting like they're mustache-twirling villains with nothing but malice behind their decisions just gives people a reason to disregard you.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Malice first. Then maneuver the safety angle second for PR Purposes.

    The same thing the evils do with regressing rights to privacy.. "It's for the children"

    And what are we taking about here?? That's right, privacy regression.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    E911 location is handled by the carrier on mobile devices, not Teams. To my knowledge, Teams doesn't do 911. Either that, or you're conflating the onsite ERT for city/county EMS. Every place I've worked that has onsite ERT has their own emergency number, which is specific to that campus. Onsite ERT coordinates with EMS in emergencies, as EMS doesn't know where "M Chase in Building 50" is. ERT does.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Plan and manage emergency calling - Microsoft Teams https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/what-are-emergency-locations-addresses-and-call-routing

    You can send the same sort of information to your ERT based on your wireless connection. I can configure an AP to tag your call via teams to a several hundred square feet area and even a floor depending on how the wireless is setup. This is just bringing that functionality to teams for ERT or 911.

    I hate to say it but if you are working on a company computer, just assume they know everything and see everything anyway.

    Afraid of your company finding out your working from home instead of the office? They can pull that information from the VPN logs or dhcp logs. Not connecting to the VPN? I can find out because your computer isn't resolving internal addresses is trying to connect to and it's logging that in your event logs.

    Worried your boss is going to find out your working out of your buddies office instead of your own? I can figure that out based off ap connection logs.

    Just assume you don't have privacy on your company laptop. But noooooo MS tracking your location for ert/e911/911 or whatever you want, for your SAFTEY yeah that's the problem here.

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    Right... and to be clear every single Microsoft product can do so too. In fact every single proprietary software can do that. If you value your privacy and nobody can audit the code, you should assume it's being used to report your behavior. It might be aggregated, it might be anonymized, but it might not be and it might be to your boss.

    That's the "beauty" of closed source : you do not know, so you should assume the worst.

    Edit : "Oh but what about GDPR?" true, well check the ToS and probably find that data is being collected for "quality service and potentially other uses (including but not limited to AI)" in the fine prints.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    If Governments moved away from american corporate software, and funded opensource software, maybe smaller businesses would also move to opensource software, it being free.

    Find an alternative or pirate Adobe Find an alternative or pirate Microsoft Find an alternative or pirate Windows

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Disgusting.

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