JFC don't. We don't even want to hear you. I would rather have AOC as a choice over you.
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If the Democrats run the same platform/campaign as they did before she'll lose again.
Democrats REALLY need to get it through their thick skulls that the days of campaigning on working alongside people across the aisle are over. that the days of uniting a country are over. Remember, the other side has already KILLED democratic politicians. they even KILL people on their own side they don't agree with.
they need to take the position that while a certain group of people will never support them, they'll still work for them but not with them.
It's almost like they're losing on purpose...
The off-the-books cash must flow.
the establishment dem platform makes 100% perfect sense when viewed through the lens of them being controlled opposition.
that won't change unless progressives can get enough seats to control the party's purse strings
As someone who voted for her, she can fuck off.
Yes we don't need to know this, she flopped so hard against a convicted felon.
She won't get the nomination. At most just maybe make some noise during the convention. Pretty sure the DNC has already decided to force Newsome though.
Please fuck off. Let Tim Walz run
This is coming from a Californian: I am skeptical, purely in terms of political advantage, that it is a good idea for the Democrats to run a California politician for the presidential slot in 2028 unless they are absolutely extraordinary. Two major potential Democratic 2028 nominees, Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris, are both out of California.
California is going to vote for the Democratic candidate regardless of who it is. If the Democrats nominate a dead orangutan, California will vote for it. It's like the Republicans nominating the governor of Utah. (Actually, my understanding is that the current governor of Utah is kind of a decent guy, has been one of the people tamping down on divisiveness, but still, Republicans just aren't getting a geographic benefit out of nominating him).
I'd be more inclined to think that someone like Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, would do well in the general election. She's managed to win over voters in the Midwest, which have been swing states in recent elections, which is what the Democrats might actually not win in 2028. Biden was out of Pennsylvania.
IIRC from past reading, predictions are that 2028 will see some states further in the southeast might becoming swing states; it's not as if the set of swing states are fixed. But I am confident that California will not be among the 2028 swing states short of a cataclysmic political upheaval in the next three years.
All that, of course, is entirely disregarding their policies.
I'd prefer Pritzker. He's done great by Illinois and has been standing up for the people against Trump at least as well, if not better than Newsom.
Fuck Whitmer. She’s for the car companies and not for the people. She puts on a show but does nothing of substance.
Run Ocasio-Cortez
This wreaks of the centrism "common sense" that keeps losing us elections. It's built on the assumption that moderates are innately more electable, while history has shown this is anything but the case. It's a kind of magical thinking completely divorced from reality.
The flaw in this thinking is that it assumes that there is a large population of political moderates waiting to be appealed to. This is what's cost Democrats the working class - abandoning workers rights and benefits in the hope of wooing suburban conservatives. And it's failed election after election.
It fails because there aren't actually very many true moderates. If you poll people who are politically unaligned, it's not that they're unaligned because they lie right between the parties. They're unaligned because their politics simply don't match to the existing partisan alignment. Think someone that is pro-gun rights but also supports Medicare for All.
Running performative centrists doesn't do anything to appeal to these voters, it just makes your candidate come off as inauthentic. Some issues just don't have reasonable compromises on them. If one party wants to greatly restrict the civil rights of some minority group, taking the centrist position of only restricting their rights a little bit still makes you look like a monster to anyone with a conscience.
This is why centrists fail. Almost no one actually had beliefs that are in the dead middle of the political spectrum. Appealing to these mythical voters is a strategy that fails again and again.
The governor of Utah is not a decent guy. He has signed plenty of hate legislation.
What you are ignoring is that Newsom has a key characteristic that both Harris and Whitmer lack: a penis. If anything has been made clear to me over the past 10 years, it's that too many Americans view having a penis as a requirement to be President.
if you honestly think a penis is why hillary or harris lost than you are simply out of touch with the majority of america.
people didn't vote for harris...they voted waltz, the country is tired of these wolves in sheeps clothing. harris drug down the campaign when she flipflopped on universal healthcare a week in, she became "just more of the same" instantly.
it's why so much of the country votes republican, not abject bigotry and hatred (though there is a large contingent of that)...they vote republican because they know republicans are slimy pieces of shit that can be relied on to cause as much pain as possible, it makes them predictable and by extension makes protecting you and yours easier.
when dems are in charge you have to do a deep dive into everyone's past, to see if they're a snake or not. while republicans are either easy to please/step around/ignore (if you have the privilege to do those things) because they're so open and proud in their corruption
not saying it's right, just laying it out there as to why most of the country votes for wm over some dem.
obama won because he promised Hope and Change...then showed just how much of a lie that campaign was over his two terms. no democrat will win the popular vote again unless it's a safe assumption they're a pushover (biden) or america can trust they're actually honest about pushing for change (waltz).
the country is tired of playing this stupid fucking game, everyone knows it by now...but if you have to choose between a devil you know vs. one you don't the choice is easy for most.
if you think simple sexism wasn't a major factor for a sizable portion of America, my friend, you're out of touch.
You need to go out to the country/mountain areas. I was out there when Hillary was running. My family are all red voters. Hell, my grandmother told me she would never vote for a woman as president. Paraphrasing her "Women are too emotional and what about once a month with hormones". Yes, that's a driving factor in A LOT of rural voters. Simple sexism.
If sexism wasn't a major factor in America, we wouldn't have the massive incel problem we have. We wouldn't have the constant "woke feminism" backlash bullshit.
Pretending America isn't sexist and isn't contributing reasion why Hillary/Kamala lost is willfully ignorant.
If conservatives in Britain can elect a woman as the leader of their country in the 1980s, then the US can elect a woman in the 2020s. We have a problem with misogyny, but I refuse to believe that even though enough conservative Britains could overcome their prejudice to get a woman elected in the 1980s, progressives in the US can't somehow manage it in the 2020s.
Reality check. A few points swing would have resulted in Hillary of Kamala winning. These were close elections. I'm sure sexism was a factor, but their unpopular policies and corporate fakery were what really killed them.
I completely wish she won last election... but there's no way we're taking a risk on her again.
I'm not a huge fan of Newsom, but at least he's been loudly attacking this current administration. Maybe she has too, but I don't hear from her in my news cycles.
Unless some progressive comes out and surprises everyone, Newsom will likely be my choice.
You mean the transphobe who destroys homeless people's meager possessions and platforms Nazis? Gross.
We don't need to settle for that sleazeoid. We can do way better.
Newsom is an opportunistic snake and will say whatever he needs to to get elected and then do absolutely whatever he wants and none of it will help you. He is not better than Trump, he IS Trump, for a different audience with different motivations.
I think Newsom is like a Republican from the 70s, but comparing him to Trump like that is insane. We need to get out of this mess and a moderate is FAR better than anything the Republicans can push out.
I'll likely vote for the progressive in the primaries, but if Newsom is the candidate it's better than the alternatives.
Oh, he'll be moderate, you think? Good luck with that. You think they pulled him out of a time machine from the 70s? They didn't. He's a product of the current political situation, he's PART of the current political situation, he's in the same orbits as all these people and he's got the same people orbiting around him. If you think he's going to move things back to the center I don't think you understand how broken things really are. They've been broken for a long time, and they're not broken in a repairable way. He's not your champion, he's not going to save you. You think voting for him represents "trying" to fix the problems but you're just being led astray by organizations and powers that don't give a fuck about any of us and are not motivated by anything we care about.
Okay, well you can vote for Vance then.
I understand what he is.
But compared to the shit show we have now... unless we get a progressive in there, what other choice do we have? Not voting? Going third party so that Repugs win again?
I don't accept the premise that he is progressive in any meaningful way but you're entitled to your opinion.
What other choice will there be in the next election? I don't know, it's too early to say. Maybe there won't be another choice, but I think there will be plenty of interesting choices, which one is ideal is again much too early to call and you're right we probably won't achieve the ideal.
All I'm trying to say is, don't trust him, and whatever ends up happening, whether he's elected or not, don't stop there. Job not done. He's not going to fix this, he's not a solution. More work needs to be done, so much more, by all of us. People need to learn civic responsibility again and start to participate in the democratic process beyond just showing up to vote. That means education, starting by educating ourselves first, which isn't easy and it is being made harder every day. Then we can start to make progress towards unifying people, finding common ground, finding the things we can at least all agree on even if we don't agree with the best way to do them, and starting to undo the merciless division that has been done to us. That also means outreach, that means activism, that means organizing, that means finding ways to change the system. Not all of them will be pretty. It might mean civil disobedience. It might mean violence. It might mean civil war. I don't have a crystal ball to see what the future holds, all I know is that everyone who cares about the future of democracy in any way, shape, form or place, needs to start adjusting to the now hopefully clearly evident reality; it is not a given, we need to fight for it, and fight with everything we have, because there is clearly a lot stacked against us. But it does not mean we cannot win. In fact we must win, eventually. There is no other choice.
You may have misunderstood my last comment. I don't think Newsom is progressive by any means. I always vote for the progressive candidates in the primary. And in the general, I'll vote Democrat and whatever progressive propositions.
I just don't think Kamala can win because people are sexist/racist... and she is pretty much the same moderate vision.
Stop fucking acting like newsom has already won the primary for starters. Also maybe don't make people that have been targeted by newsom feel like they will still be under the boot if you dont want the dems to loose again.
This is the state of American Democratic politics these days. If the candidate is not exactly what you want, then they're Satan incarnate and they might as well let the Republicans win.
the acrual Left has made massive gains since Trump took the stage, hard not to agree that accelerationism might have been what we needed
If I'm voting for the next president, I believe that they should be representing all Americans instead of primarily representing corporations and big donors.
Ideally, they should have clear principles, charisma, an ability to lead, a vision for the future, and have the ability to recognize that not everybody is as privileged as they are.
I don't feel that a person who fails to meet any of the aforementioned criteria is suited for the highest office in the country. Maybe that's just me.
Sure, but it's a multiple choice question and, right now, there are only two possible options. If both options are bad, the best use of your vote is choosing the less bad one.
The primary is 7 months away. Nobody can vote yet and neither of us know exactly what will happen between now and then.
Regardless, I see the person pushing populist policies as the lesser evil. Janet Mills could win the race if she leaned into populist policies, but she won't.
Janet Mills is the most unpopular Democratic governor in the US and is extremely pro-corporate. I don't see her winning against Susan Collins.
Holy fuck, listen I plugged my nose and voted for her last time just like I did with Hillary and Biden, but I am absolutely not voting for Harris a second time. If that happens, the only "enabler" is the Democratic establishment and I don't want to fucking hear "vote blue no matter who" after all this Mamdani shit. Stupid god damn fucking liberals, Jesus Christ.
/ rant
i voted for Waltz on the hope that maybe Harris would have some unfortunate accident early on and maybe we'd get an actual pro-labour president for once.
now...I just hope Mamdani sweeps NYC's mayor race and maybe that wakes up progressives across the country, showing just how pathetically weak the establishment's control is right now across the board if they can't even keep a key NYC post.
Your rant should include an apology to the rest of us.
Who the fuck knows, it's all in that annoying little fucker's username lol. Maybe when he rolls off the dive bar floor tomorrow morning he can tell us.
I'd imagine they're saying that not voting for Kamala is, in effect, not voting AGAINST the GOP.
So in that case, I think they mean the apology would be to everyone for allowing the GOP to win again.
Just explaining what I think they're saying, not saying I agree or disagree with that sentiment.
For helping trump stay in office just because you did not get exactly what you want.
who is in her circle telling her that this is a good idea? Does she not have any close friends who can speak plainly to her?
You would think having lost to an actual piece of shit would be enough of a reality check. Just stop... ffs. The best thing Kamala can do is fade into obscurity like Al Gore.
Kamala, with all due respect, please get mental health treatment for your apparent psychopathy.
I hope she does just as well in her next primary, as she has in every other primary she's had to compete in
god im so happy im not american right now.
She gone lose again. When she ran the first time she lost before primaries and when she was forced upon us last year she lost then too.
Oh she could easily be the candidate. She could get the nomination the same way Biden got it: a coordinated manipulation campaign by the DNC. In 2020, they arranged for all the centrist candidates except Biden to drop out at once, while leaving the progressive vote split between Sanders and Warren. Kamala could easily end up with the nomination.
Please don't.
nah, let her.
it's time they had a proper third party down there anyways, the democrats are fucking useless
I agree the Democrats are useless, but the only time in modern history a third party has gotten any measurable percentage of the popular vote is when Ross Perot ran as an independent and got 19%.
Teddy Roosevelt got 27% in 1912 with the Bull Moose party. Not sure if that counts as modern history.
It's true that a third party candidate would be a major long shot but fuck it, what do we have to lose?
What do we stand to lose? Try fucking everything, when the republicans easily win against a fractured DNC and America slips even further into fascism.
But the DNC is already entirely ineffective. We are already losing every single time we vote for either major party. Even when the Dems are in office, they appear incapable or unwilling to accomplish meaningful progressive political objectives, so we are slipping further into fascism anyway, no?
This has been the status quo for generations already, how long does it have to continue before we cut our losses and make a risky gambit? I just don't understand what you think the DNC is protecting us from, because in my view they are also part of the problem.
Fuck it, let her. She had to drop out of the 2020 primary before voting started because she was on track to lose every single state, and she clearly hasn't become more electable since then. All she could possibly do is siphon some votes and donor money off Newsom or Buttigieg. If that's what she wants to do, I fully support that.
we really need a fresh pool of candidates
DNC: We've listened to your suggestions and taken them to heart. We have a new candidate, someone not cut from the old cloth. In fact, he's even a socialist. Let me introduce you to our new 2028 candidate...Steven Miller. He's not just a socialist, but a national socialist! Don't forget to vote blue no matter who!
I will not vote again for Kamala Harris, nor for any other ordinary, boring, middle-of-the-road Democrat. "Vote blue no matter who" brought us to this point, where Democrats are so spineless and compromised, only a handful of elected Dems are willing to oppose fascism. Never again, for me. Give me a candidate worth voting for — that's the only way to get my vote.
Let's remove the dictator first, then we can work on the Party. Harris is a bad choice either way.
Historically, the first step in removing the dictator is letting the fake controlled opposition party burn to the ground. Voting in corporate Dems is no different than voting for the fake opposition parties the Soviet dictators used to let run so they could brag about getting 99% of the vote.
We already tried your strategy, and it failed. We got some short-term wins, but at the cost of long-term defeat. In 2020, we followed your approach. We picked the useless corporate centrist because we saw him as more 'electable' and because we needed to get Trump out of office. And of course, what everyone on the left predicted would happen, happened. The centrist did very little to actually change the conditions that lead to Trump in the first place, and predictably, Trump won again with an even larger margin.
You need to start looking beyond just the election in front of you. Short-term thinking is what has got us into this mess. We're so unwilling to take a short-term loss that we make short-sighted decisions on "electability" that ultimately end up losing us elections in both the short and long term.
Your strategy results in Kamala winning in 2028 and Steven Miller becoming president in 2032.
So if 2028 rolls around and you're presented with a ballot with the choices "Donald Trump" and "Kamala Harris" on it for president, you'll not vote for Kamala Harris?
If he's on the ballot again then it's all over anyway. That would be a third term and would need to be in a war time. So, if he's on the ballot in 28', we either have a war happening on our soil or, he's going full traitor and the elections will be for nothing more than show.
As far as I'm aware there's no "wartime" exemption from the term limit.
Th real question is, can he declare martial law to prevent or delay the 2028 elections thus extending his second term indefinitely?
There is no constitutional basis for moving the date of elections under any circumstances. Elections went on as normal during the Civil War and WWII, there's absolutely no legal, constitutional or moral excuse for cancelling or delaying them.
While everything you say is mostly* true, it really doesn't matter. Martial law gives the executive wide and indeterminate decision making.
WWII was not an insurrection so it was not grounds for martial law. The Civil War was seen as an international conflict initially and not an internal insurrection, but it becomes more complicated as it goes on. The 1807 Insurrection Act gives the president a lot of power. Trump has already postured that he can use it to deal with protests in Portland, OR.
* I say mostly true because Congress is granted the ability to determine when elections will happen.
Yeah, I should have said that there is no basis for the executive branch moving elections under any circumstances (including any precedent or statute for cancelling elections under the Insurrection Act).
At some point that doesn't matter, though. The constitution is just ink on parchment at the end of the day.
Did I stutter?
If Kamala is the next candidate she will lose. This time democrats can't simply pick a 'status quo' and establishment candidate. They need a person at a minimum moderatly left, a bit anti-establishment and they need to focus on universal healthcare, and then actually solve it. Then they will win the election after that again.
You guys don’t understand, she lost because people forgot how bad trump was, this time people will fall in line
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