Of course they do. This isn't really a secret.
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when Bezos says he thinks we will be living in space by 2040 i'm starting to believe that what he is saying is that if you don't have a job they will sling off of the planet
The rich get richer. The poor get poorer.
Will those robots also be their new customers?
So... there goes Amazon's argument that they should ever get preferential tax treatment due to all the jobs they supposedly create
What? No silly. They made those arguments and won those cases so they get preferential taxes for the next 300 years. Regardless of the changing needs of the country or the economy.
LOL...like they replaced AWS IT with AI last week? How's that working out?
no worries as the robots are all controlled from aws.
Warehouse jobs are garbage and should be automated. Amazon should also be nationalized. The problem isn't automation, it is, as always, capitalism.
Well they’re not invested in all of these robotic companies and automation companies because they want to sell the tech to their competitors.
It’s clear that the goal is to have warehouses be more automated, and for deliveries to be handled by things like Zoox.
And honestly, this isn't just limited to Amazon's warehouses. All companies that end up with huge warehouse and distribution centers have always been striving to automate as much of the process as possible. Amazon just has the capital to push the tech with in house resources, instead of having to contract it out.
When all of the jobs are gone, who will have any money to put in Prime orders?
I uninstalled my Amazon app a month ago, and I haven't missed it. It started as an experiment to see if I can live without it. Seems I can.
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Those 600,000 workers should quit right fucking now. See how long Amazon lasts before bezos sets all those robots up himself.
I should be cynical about AI and labor displacement, but…
Does anyone actually want to wreck their bodies by walking all over a giant warehouse and lifting heavy unwieldy objects?
Now the robots will do all of that.
We’ll just need some humans to uh… follow them around the warehouse… and move them when they break down. (This is totally different, you see.)
And do the original task that glitched it out. And dodge all of the other robots while doing so. And be paid less because we have robots now.
I don't think it's the issue of people wanting to do that job as much as people wanting to, you know, afford groceries and rent
I don't think walking wrecks your body, it's what we evolved to do for days on end
I guess you don't work in a warehouse, but there is not much manual lifting.
They talk about some of this stuff here where they present new robot that can "touch" things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X4CU3jmw-g
Don't worry, everyone. 95% of our jobs will be replaced with robots.
And I know what you're thinking. Yes, the money will rightly be given to the billionaires. See, nothing to worry about. Nothing. So glad Trump is doing nothing but deregulation LLM's and attacking workers rights.
They have always wanted to replace all their workers with robots.
It’s why nobody should have capitulated and gave them tax cuts for warehouses and fulfillment centers.
Amazon has been such a terrible employer for so long that they're almost forced to do this, any other concerns aside.
They've burned and churned such a large percentage of the American population that would ever potentially work for them, that they are legitimately going to run out of people to hire. Automation is going to be their only possible way of getting their grunt work done.
This would be a good thing in the timeline where governments actually gave a shit and we had universal basic income for everyone. No human should have to slave away for 8+ hours a day just to survive when most work can be automated.
Let me get this straight:
- everybody wants free same day logistics
- nobody want to work under those conditions
- if we deliagte inhumane jobs to robots, everybody is mad
Where is the logic?
Exactly. Automation will be replacing jobs. It's an economic fact. Instead of fighting it, we need to be focusing on making an automated future equitable for as many people as possible
Yes! And the only thing in our way is fucking capitalism!
A world, where no living being has to do work in such bad conditions, as machines can do those jobs is possible. Unconditional basic income. Unconditional basic income!
And when you see an Amazon box on your doorstep today, know you directly paid for this.
As they actively destroy any chance of progress in computing? Probably even degressing it by supporting the AI bubble? Good luck with having robots that can't do more than 5% of the basics of what an average human can do :)
Sure it'll be able to do it very "efficiently", but that efficiency is extremely relative at best, and sacrifices way more in the background making it less efficient overall.
Too bad the people running these companies can't see beyond their next quarterly numbers to know this, or know how business, technology, the economy, or how humans work.
It only needs to do 5% of what a human can do. They’re basically talking about automating low wage warehouse people
While I realize these are decent sources of jobs in some economically depressed areas, it can’t be a very satisfying jobs and certainly the rest of us not directly affected should have no objection. While I have empathy toward those losing jobs, let’s lose them
I totally agree! I think progress is the way to go, aside from death. And soul killing jobs have to die out with progress.
But the problem is i don't think the current technological level of automation is even close enough to replace a significant enough portion of these jobs.
Because if they can, we won't have basically all the rich assholes pay a sum in the billions in lobbying to make sure workers are always available to them on the cheap, with the least amount of protection against exploitation. They wouldn't try to so hard to put down strikes, higher wages, unions, less working hours, job security, etc. They wouldn't care as much because a machine would be way cheaper and never complains.
Our technology has to progress and imporve way more to make it possible. Progress that's based on research, trial and error, investments, talent and raising talent and skill, and all kinds of things that cut down on immediate profits. Basically the antithesis to the current economical model that all those fucks are horny for.
To me this is the same as if in the middle ages a king was like "just kill all the peasants and make the wizards summon fully obedient servants to do the necessary work". While their wizards are still trying to figure out how to take a rabbit out of a hat.
I mean, yeah... robots don't take sick days or form unions. Kinda sounds like a no brainer for them. And hearing how many workers complain about crappy warehouse jobs and terrible pay everyone is better off.
Doesn't mean I'm going to be giving them money though, however I guess I can't boycott something I'm not using, but others should.
Exactly this is a good use of robots. We just need an actual support system for people that doesn't require them to work insane hours and ties Healthcare to jobs.
Some form of basic income, Healthcare and affordable housing should be the norm and let robots handle tedious tasks.
Sadly we are skipping the quality of life steps
Why not the overpaid c-suite?
Well, it's better than the alternative of humans suffering in those conditions.
I fully support millions of people not having to work anymore. Obviously we must implement GMI, Universal Healthcare, and employee a giant army of federal workers to run the hospitals, and staff to expand all of our other federal institutions.
This 1000%
We should be thrilled that menial, manual, backbreaking labour is no longer required. We should celebrate the removal of these jobs.
IF AND ONLY IF the benefits that Amazon accrued were taxed fairly and the spoils distributed into society.
I would love a world where people could choose their passion and follow it, safe in the knowledge that they would always have housing, warmth, health and food available to them.
“AI” and robotics could save us all and lead to a flourishing of creativity and human happiness.
But in the world where Amazon - and many other large corporations - can have an effective 0% tax rate and only the shareholders win out, this entire plan can go f*** itself.
And unfortunately it is neigh on impossible to imagine how the alternative could exist.
I argue that shorter work weeks are a better solution.
https://www.ki9.us/2021/10/07/automation/
Not surprised, but they've been trying to do this for a decade. While AI is creating AI slop all over the internet they've been all too distracted to build anything meaningful and real robotics for a while. I'm sure they're getting really close at doing a few things, but humans are complex things. I'll believe they're close to doing this when they release self driving cars out of beta.
It also shows that if labor cost being eliminated is only a 30 cent saving per product, then a higher salary can’t result in that much of an increase in
They probably mean it's predicted to make them 20ct more profit per item, not shave off cost for us, right? Most I ever see is increased prices and then the minimum order to qualify for free shipping increase by 10€ last year, and by another 10€ this year...?!
About time. Who wants to do the robots job now days. Who desires to stock and fulfill orders in a warehouse if a robot can do it.
Do we regret vending machine?
Amazon also hopes to automate consumers by 2032
That's basically the internet right now: bots giving clicks to ads in AI-generated slop pages. No humans required.
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