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[–] 191 points 1 year ago (25 children)

On the one hand, I understand the inherent limitations of pseudonymous social media and why a corporation and even end users might benefit from authoritative user identification.

On the other hand, oh hell no.

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  • [–] 154 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Exactly. Reddit isn’t my fucking bank. They don’t need to know who I am.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Whatcha mean, they obviously need to count the wrinkles on your dirty balloon knot.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Wow who's your butthole guy?

    Wtf is this sorcery your post says "1." but when I reply its "37."

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    huh... maybe because of the period and no space? Markdown thinks it's a list item?

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Your bank doesn't even need to know who you are.

    On a related note, Bank of America, if you're reading this, my name is floop @lemmy.dbzer0.com, and I would like to withdraw all the money from my account. Nonsequential bills please!

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean, there's someone here who has (not even exaggerating) 15+ accounts that they just rotate thru.

    It's a hassle to block them all because I still see new ones, but I'll take that over "proving myself" as a unique person with something like this.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I don't think psudonyms are an issue, but verifying that a user is an actual person vs an AI chatbot is absolutely something that every popular social media platform will need to tackle at some point.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Hmm funny how Sam Altman is one of the few people responsible for creating that problem and now he's selling the solution to it

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    It's actually low-key brilliant. Start a gold rush, when you realize the gold isn't actually there, pivot to selling shovels and keep hyping the gold rush. Fools and their money are soon parted, and there seem to be an endless supply of them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    The bot problem has been around since before Sam Altman was old enough to legally drink. For example in the early days the founders of Reddit were running bots to make the site look wayyy busier than it actually was in order to attract new users.

    He's a convenient bogey-man, and a huge asshole, but he's the not the source of this problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    As explained, it's not even quite user identification, but rather verification of a unique individual. The ability to identify that an account is held by a unique person (as opposed to possibility being one of many puppet accounts) is pretty useful, particularly if it's not possible to backtrace it to an otherwise identifiable person.

    Even so, the problem I see with this system is that a person has to be careful to never, ever, ever associate their unique ID with themselves, though there will be constant pressure to do so.

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  • [+] 102 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 86 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    scan your eyes to use social media? don't mind if I DONT lol

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If World ID becomes one of Reddit’s third-party providers, it would be good news for Tools for Humanity, which was founded six years ago with the lofty goal of providing a universal basic income to the world by offering them cryptocurrency called Worldcoin in exchange for scanning their eyeballs with an Orb.

    What the actual fuck.

    Seriously how on Earth is that supposed to work?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Selling data on people is a lucrative business. Although it is a business and not UBI.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Okay I've scanned my eyeball and I've got some of their worthless cryptocurrency. What about next month, do they want me to scan my eyeball again, because I guarantee it won't have changed.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It could probably be worth it to keep an active eye on your data even if it remains roughly the same. To keep an established base line, to keep an eye out for changes in environment in specific areas, to monitor the effects of aging, to sell you shit when your eye gets damaged. Probably other evil shit too, or just the paranoid urge to surveil people for no damn reason.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    So this guy helps create a technology that turns bots up to 11 and then he turns around to sell us a privacy invasive solution to the problem he created? What a fucking asshole.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Isn't he an accelerationist? To them the more fuck ups we have the more solutions we make, which is pretty stupid of an argument in my opinion.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I agree. We obviously need to make huge changes to how we live asap, but it seems so profoundly stupid to let a few unelected people break things without a collectively agreed upon plan in place.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Scan your biounique eyeball to provide ID whilst retaining your anonymity???

    Anonymity and the ability for someone else to prove it was me are nearly opposites.

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  • [+] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Biounique id is an advertiser's wet dream and I don't think it's theoretically possible to prevent it from being exploited for profiling by Google. If the hashed encrypted token retains the uniqueness then it points to you as an individual across time, devices and location changes. There is no escaping this ID. You can't change it, you can't get a new one.

    Google and other multinational corporations WILL know where you live and can figure out all your personal characteristics with a little time. Your anonymity is gone forever.

    Sam Altman saw the film Minority Report in which iris scanners on holographic billboards trigger the advertisements to address you by name, hampering the escape of the central character who was being set up, and thought "Cool, let's make this. I'm going to be rich! The other dystopian aspects of the film are fiction, but this one I can make real."

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Also look at how FB et al can't even keep themselves from tracking you all over the internet using all kinds of clever engineering engineering beyond plain cookies.

    If it actually becomes ubiquitous, the ability to tie all the anonymous impressions to one person is too tempting for surveillance ghouls.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    In theory the unique id produced by the scan could be salted by you, uniquely for each website or application, and then provided to the site. This would keep aggregators from being able to track all your activity, or at least it would if they didn't already have fingerprinting techniques that do it without the need of another unique identifier.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    If the biometric ID is collected and stored by someone else, not only have I lost my anonymity, I've also lost control of my identity and there's no way for me to stop that happening.

    This is unequivocally bad for privacy.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Lol. The bots to humans ratio will get even bigger if that happens.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It works: You can tell the real humans because they'll be the only ones unwilling to do this invasive bullshit. The bots will just come up with something fake to scan and carry on as they always have.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The bots will just come up with something fake to scan and carry on as they always have.

    Like a real human eye? Is this how Skynet starts?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Wouldn't it just be reverse engineering what the scanner does? If you have a close enough copy of thesnanning tech couldn't you have a bot rapidly iterate eyeballs in some form till it can pass the real version a couple times and repeat with the iteration process?

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thanks Reddit for giving me yet another reason not to go back

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I got banned for more or less saying Elon is a miserable twat who deserves bad things to happen to him on that one thread where people went full board on the gruesome depictions and that was enough for a permaban. Fuck Reddit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I got banned for saying that poisoning an invasive species like cats isn't any different than poisoning an invasive species like rats, except that cats are cute and fluffy and rats are not.

    It was under a post about the Australian government putting up poison traps to combat the local cat population which is threatening local endangered wildlife.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Drink verification can to continue.

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    This will do it. It will finally kill reddit.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Been trying to get people on Reddit to cross over to the light over here but damn it’s hard

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Why? I don't want anyone here to whom it's not self evident to that it's better here. For it to stay a better place it needs to keep better people who can make their own decisions using their brains.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    You'd have to get me high on PCP + cocaine + some sort of crazy shit like krokodil to just implant the idea that I need to verify my very existence to a private company to post comments online or to enjoy a website.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lemmy gonna get crowded soon

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I wish. I have noticed that I don’t see many Lenny endorsements anymore, I wonder if they remove those (I know my comment has been removed couple of times).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Probably still do quite a lot. I still have my account there in case there are calls to promote the fediverse.

    They left Digg posts alone for now though. I know it's another boiling pot, dont have to remind me.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I would not ponder this orb

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean, come on. We shit on redditors, but even redditors won't stand for getting their iris's scanned just to use the site..

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Create a problem

    Sell the solution

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    According to two people familiar with the matter, World ID could soon become a way for Reddit users to verify that they are unique individuals while remaining anonymous on the platform.

    Reddit knowing who I am isn't okay though. Who tf trusts them?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I really hope this drives a ton of users to Lemmy. I love this platform but it sadly really feels like a 20% Reddit :/

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A lot less than 20% when it comes to specific subjects. The great thing about reddit was finding communities around just about every topic or hobby. If 100 people had a passion for something they could meet on Reddit and still have a comfy, somewhat active sub reddit.

    On Lemmy you've got generic technology, generic news, generic videogames, generic pics, and almost everything else doesn't get enough traction to keep living. It's a basic population problem, the fraction of people knowing about Lemmy is just not enough to gather around shared stuff. Even those that do use Lemmy are probably not aware of every community attempt that could interest them.

    I still see more communities being abandoned than new ones appearing.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    What you describe is the main reason that's stopping me from 100% leaving Reddit. There isn't enough variety and there isn't enough activity in communities that isn't in the few popular ones. At the moment it feels like +80% of current users fit into a specific demographic.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's a solution to a problem Lemmy will soon have in that case.

    Which is bots.

    Lemmy isn't flooded with bots and astroturfing because it's essentially too small to matter. The audience is something like < 0.001% that of reddit.

    Once it grows the problem comes here as well, and we have no answers for it.

    It's a shitty situation for the internet as a whole, and the only solution is verifying humans. And corporations CANNOT be trusted with that kind of access/power

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