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[–] 130 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

Amazon sneezes, the whole internet catches a cold.

Im still seeing services up/down the entire day at work. Services that are not even AWS like Azure are slow for some reason (probably businesses failing over to other infa). Its crazy.

None of our in office infa is having issues. Managers are talking about fail-overs all day lol.

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  • [+] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    As someone with a little insider baseball knowledge, it was just a few hours down of DynamoDB and DNS. However, that caused EC2 to go down for ~1 day, which causes pretty much 1/3 of the internet to go down. Once EC2 sorts themselves out, then teams/companies (almost all amazon services use EC2 in the back end) that use EC2 have to get their ducks back in a row, and that can take any span of time, depending on how well their code was written to handle failures + how many people they are willing to pay oncall/overtime.

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    [–] 117 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's almost as if centralizing everything is fucking stupid.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    At my work there was a big push to get things out of our own isolated data centers and into AWS because we had some services that were really very vulnerable and not equipped to serve a global distributed audience well. AWS solved that problem for us and our devs liked working with it. However now our AWS bill is so high that we’re pushing everyone to reduce it. I guess that makes sense. We’re not going back to self-hosting, just optimizing and reducing. But it sure feels like whiplash from “get everything into AWS” to “we have too much in AWS.”

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    So it sounds like rather than investing in your own systems you outsourced and now it costs far more.

    Shit son that's the same as almost every industry.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I don’t know if it costs far more but AWS is one big bill whereas running your own systems is a bunch of smaller expenses including real estate and employees in addition to hardware and utilities costs, insurance, etc which are harder to count. We see AWS on one big bill so the sticker shock is more palpable.

    Moving to AWS didn’t just replace our services, it gave us a higher level of service reliability and availability. We would have had to double our spend to serve the globe as we really need to. AWS was the better option.

    I think it costs a ridiculous amount because we moved over services that were built on self-run data centers where chron jobs were not billed on CPU cycles in a transparent way. Now they are. We can probably cut the AWS bill by as much as half through intelligent refactoring and optimization. Smarter data retention periods, killing off shit that isn’t worth it etc.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago

    Maybe it was a bad idea for society to put 90% of the internet on one company's infrastructure.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago

    It's kind of telling when Amazon services like Ring, Prime Video, and Alexa failed over pretty quickly, but everything else just didnt.

    There's no conspiracy here. It's just highlighting that Amazon could prepare for AWS outages in a region, but since everything auth related was on us-east-1, everything else went down.

    Shortcuts are costly.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago

    Let's take a decentralized network and centalize it! Nothing will surely go wrong.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Hey! Great idea! Let's make all of the internet rely on one service from one evil company! What could go wrong?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Typical Amazon undersells everyone else to remove competition. Then after everyone has gone under reminds you it is a terrible idea. Hopefully we see businesses get burnt more and determine it is better to self host, or even better yet not need half their services on "the cloud" anyways.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I think evil is too strong a word for Amazon, I think benzos is one of the nicer billionaires but I have heard the horror stories from Amazon warehouses.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Amazon essentially killed local bookstores and then used the proceeds to become a massive megaconglomerate only challangeable by alphabet, apple, and meta in their sheer capability to control media flow.

    They have spies in the form of Alexa enabled IOT devices basically everywhere. They also have the Ring camera. Recently they have stayed they will share data from Ring cameras with Palantir.

    Amazon is insidious. Its evil is quiet in its spread.

    The sheer size of Amazon, along with their business model, means they must employ vast swaths of people. In the US alone, over 1M people are employed by Amazon. Amazon plans to lay off half of them in the next 8 years while they shift to a robotic workforce.

    These "too big to fail" companies are not evil out of some malaise for humanity. They are evil out of a cavalier disinterest in anything other than increasing the size of their hoards.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    I don't think they killed local bookstores. I think your average person is just lazy, and publishers were too greedy to allow the audiobook to be included with the purchase of a book.

    The fact that they employ a million people is insane, I didn't realize they were that large. I think laying off half the workforce to replace with robotics is not in acceptable but good. I have been working my entire life and it's a huge waste of my life, and I look forward to robotic automation.

    The thing is, you can't stop progress just because you miss the way things were. Things are always going to progress. The future can be cool as well.

    As far as benzos and stuff, maybe the Democrats shouldn't be so shitty to everyone who is slightly different from they are. Running a business is something most people just don't understand. The standard isn't what you wish were true so much as it's what you have to do in order to compete. Capitalism is a race to the bottom, the victory of the ruthless, it's a bad game. Until we get a better economic system, we are kind of stuck with mega corporations. It's not a choice. It's what people vote for along with mass surveillance, and many other terrible laws. If you want to hate someone, go hate groups like focus on the family because they are the ones who ruin your society more than anyone and distract people from economic issues by getting these assholes elected who despise the idea of a social culture.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Nice billionaire is an oxymoron.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If you are going to hate someone at least hate them for a good reason. I'm not saying he is an angel or anything, just that he is nice and has less shitty views than many of the billionaires now.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    He isn’t nice! He wants to replace all staff with robots, set targets so high that people have to piss in bottles and pays minimum wage which helps him get so rich.

    A nice person would have stopped longer before getting this large. He’s a monster. Maybe not in the traditional sense, but he contributes to a monstrous system.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't believe that he would make people piss in bottles. I think that was probably a hit piece or something. Also replacing laborers with robots is good although capitalism and pseudo feudalism isn't going to survive it but that's also a good thing.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A hit piece? It’s been covered by numerous independent journalists and there is even video evidence of the crazy targets. And I know people that work for them.

    I’m sorry that you have Stockholm syndrome bro, but let’s face it, you’re never going to be one of them so stop defending them.

    Amazon has been known to lower prices to drive away competition and then raise prices. They’ve been shown to stock products and if that product does well they’ll make their own cheap version, undercut the original seller and when they can’t compete and the competition is gone they’ll increase the prices. They’re a predatory business at best and evil at worst. I’m happy to say I’ve not given Amazon a penny in about a decade. That’s before we even cover how they destroyed bookstores, and the shit show that is AWS.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    So Roblox is the only of those companies that can handle proper region failover if us-east-1 shits the bed? You young ops have gotten soft! Learn to live by ChaosMonkey or die by the Gorilla.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah, but proper failover and recovery requires additional infrastructure, and that costs money.

    Hopefully a bunch of risk management people are writing I-told-you-so emails to C-suites right now.

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  • [+] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    AWS is a huge suite of products and services, and there's a lot of old legacy shit running on it.

    Yup, AWS is legacy cloud. It was only recently that they set encryption by default on S3 buckets, before that they were just in the clear by default.

    Cybersecurity and disaster recovery are not directly profitable, so they are almost always neglected in your average shop.

    It's never important until suddenly it's the most important thing in the world.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    So Roblox is the only of those companies that can handle proper region failover if us-east-1 shits the bed?

    Either that, or the reports stopped coming in since it's a school day.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Roblox doesn't really lock down regions unless they are China. The game client can connect to any server they own. It naturally falls back to the server with the least issues without prompts and intervention. If for an even bigger example all US servers were to go offline, the client automatically redirects people to either Europe or Asia based on ping.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    …and I did not even notice it, aside from the news here.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Jesus Amazon is a big enough company they should be doing their own hosting not using AWS.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Once upon a time they insisted that Amazon had independent decision making on their providers when they were needing new infrastructure and they "always decided that AWS suited them best."

    Shockingly (/s), they stopped making that claim right about the same time they started admitting that their biggest users are all under Private Pricing Agreements.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Amazon is using their own hosting. AWS stands for Amazon Web Services. Or did I miss the joke?

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was confused too, but I'm still glad you didn't add the /s because that always kills the joke.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't always downvote posts that use /s, but I do always downvote posts that complain about someone not using it.

    Sarcasm is ok but deadpan is where it's at.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    This is the take. Let people communicate however they want, sarcasm indicator or not; it's the insisting that others follow the convention you prefer which I find actually bothersome

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why does Amazon use AWS?

    I thought they had an in-house solution.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    Bottom left

    figma ballz hahaha gotem

    Edit: ohh noooo I just saw PhobosAnomaly’s post, I am so slow

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I am grateful that my past me (from few months ago) decided to study Slavic philology, instead of getting stupid tech job. I hate modern tech, including anything from big corporations.

    I am also glad that I've switched to Linux (Debian ftw) to escape software enshittification.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    even the websites for local health systems have been going down. At this point if we have an event like Y2K was supposed to be, we are so fucked lol

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    The cloud was a scam for people with more money than sense.

    Most people hosting things on the cloud, like Fediverse services, would be better off selfhosting and buying the hardware themselves.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (14 children)

    Self hosting requires an immense amount of specialized knowledge and time...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    I got started self-hosting last week when I got a hold of a smal Lenovo ThinkCentre. I installed Proxmox on it and if I want to self-host something I just spin up a container or virtual machine on the Proxmox system. It's so much easier than installing self-hosted projects on bare metal. And if you want to change things around then just disable or delete the container/vm and let Proxmox stay clean. If one container breaks the rest of the system will still function.

    I could easily host Lemmy from home with Proxmox and a reverse proxy with my current setup. I am not going to because I am not interested in moderating a platform and all the responsibility that comes with it, but it's very possible to do.

    Edit: the Proxmox community helper scripts makes installing most things a breeze! I use them every opportunity I get.

    https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/

    This is the first script to start with on a fresh install

    https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/scripts?id=post-pve-install

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    The point was that self-hosting is not hard if you do it the right way. You claim it's very hard and requires specialized knowledge. I don't think it's much different than hosting in the cloud.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    I didn't say it was "hard". I said it requires specialized knowledge. Which it does. And which you've not disproven in any way.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Once could say it requires special knowledge to host a service in the cloud too. The extra step I had to take was to open port 80 and 433 on my server and install nginx to forward the traffic to the right container on my local network since I only have one public IP. It took me minimal research to figure it out.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    You realize hosting on a VPS is still selfhosting? And my comment was about selfhosting?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Sure, you could say that since you put the service on the VPS. But you don't own the server and host it on your own hardware. Which is what the person you replied to was talking about. Why would you even point out that hosting a service requires special knowledge if you find hosting in a VPS and at home equal?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Sure, you could say that

    Not "could". It is.

    Why would you even point out

    When you say "hosting in a cloud" vs selfhosting, I think you mean creating an account on a hosted service. Or using something like PikaPods or Fedihost or other managed hosting service. Because once again, hosting in a VPS is selfhosting.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    When the majority of people talk about self-hosting they specifically talk about hosting a service on your own hardware. Not a rent on someone else's computer...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hosting_(web_services)

    https://www.openproject.org/blog/why-self-hosting-software/

    Even Lenovo knows this shit...

    https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/glossary/self-hosting/

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Literally no one thinks that except you. Your own sources state as much.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Whatever. You're not worth my time anymore. Keep getting scammed by cloud hosting if you want to. I will keep using my home server and spread the word about how easy it is to host a home server and how much of a scam a VPS is.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    I don't use cloud hosting. But it's not a scam, there are a bunch of security measures that get implemented, and you're not creating a giant security hole in your home network, which greatly lowers the expertise required and risks involved.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I’m okay to blame bozos.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    What are these random fucking websites though

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Which is random? I’ve only not heard of three: Instructure, fanduel, and chime.

    All the ones I’ve heard of are quite massive companies and I would assume the others are too.

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    Well I can’t be sad that that predatory industry took a hit. Thanks for letting me know who they were. Seems betting has gotten crazy in America when I thought it wasn’t a thing outside of certain places like Atlantic city or Vegas.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah, sports betting is getting legalized in more and more US states. It's pretty crazy. During most live sports broadcasts there are tons of commercials for it and even on the stadiums there are ads on the walls.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Shit, none of my websites are slow. Fuck Amazon

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Heh. Say what you will about Roblox (plenty of stuff), but seems like their infrastructure is on lock.

    OOWHUUH

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Time for open source Amazon app alternatives to be made. Made a post on OpenSource with suggestions on how to do it and how it can help open source communities: KDE, GNU/Linux, etc can each make their own and use their profits for their own and other open source projects. A passive income if you will from making, and managing the app that displays products from various partnered stores and websites

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    For some context, the issue was affecting AWS or Amazon Web Services, which is hosting for those other services (or parts of them), not an amazon app issue cascading to other services.

    And I don't think an open source amazon app would work. Amazon is a lot more than just a webstore. They've got a massive logistics network plus warehouses and packing plants. I feel like an open source version of amazon's store would end up avoiding the corporate shit but would have all the negatives of amazon store without many of the positives.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Not my ancestors!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Are any lemmy instances run on aws? Been getting a lot less articles last couple days

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Blah blah blah blah blah. And nothing is going to be done about it. Keep yapping. In a week no one is going to remember. By eow no one is going to remember.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)