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[–] 153 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Good because fuck Microsoft and Windows.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    I've been a Windows user since 95. I tried a few times to move to Linux, but basic user unfriendly problems always brought me back to Windows. Now there's no option to go back. Linux Mint has had some bumps, but I'm properly motivated to jump over those hurdles now. I've become a proud Linux user this last week. Finally free of Microsoft's gravity.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I'm really enjoying the learning curve with Linux because it's a valuable skill to master. On the other hand, every time I've had to "go under the hood" with Windows, it's been to keep it from doing something awful to me.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I remember someone on Discord server I used to be on kept telling people to "use Linux" which back then, I thought it was some scary OS for people who's tech savvy and wrote him off to be annoying. It was few years when I have my own laptop as early birthday present that I find Windows 10 annoying and remembered Linux exist so I run up a virtual machine and watch so many videos on YouTube about it. Then, I made USB-Boot and installed Linux Mint.

    Far from perfect but I feel so much more comfortable using Linux over Windows, feels so much more smoother

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    back then, I thought it was some scary OS for people who's tech savvy

    That "too hard, too scary" reputation is a big part of what has held back linux adoption.

    But when people actually give it a try, most realize that reputation isn't really true.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think installing Linux exposes you to higher severity issues, like "now it won't boot". Once you get over that initial setup, it's not much different than windows or apple.

    If more computers came with it pre installed, it would be even easier for folks.

    I think about half the time I've installed Linux it was fine. The other half were problems with esoteric solutions.

    Still glad I made the switch.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I think installing Linux exposes you to higher severity issues, like "now it won't boot". Once you get over that initial setup, it's not much different than windows or apple.

    I think that's also the case any time you are the OS installer and administrator for your own system. I haven't purchased an off the shelf PC for myself since the '90s, and in the years since then I've had many more basic "this shit won't boot" issues with Windows, though granted I used Windows much more during that time.

    And even if you ARE setting up your pen system from scratch, I would submit that the install process for Linux Mint is an order of magnitude simpler than Windows these days.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    There was a time...I was there. (Insert flashback scenes) But that time has long passed.

    Distros have become easy enough that one doesn't need to interact with the CLI if you don't want to. I'm running Fedora Kinonite right now. I don't even need to worry about installing updates. I checked a box or two and it does it all without my attention. And then applies the updates on the next reboot. But, you can open a terminal anytime or anywhere and have at it as much as you like. Linux is whatever you want to make it. And that's pretty cool.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As a Linux Noob, Linux was lot easier than I expect it to be. Think it was me having the "This isn't Windows so I might as well as research about anything Linux related" mindset which it paid off for me. It got to point where Windows is now my secondary OS (Mainly to use it to use Tomb Editor to make custom Tomb Raider levels which is annoying to get it running with Wine which I don't know how to troubleshoot at all.)

    It's ironic how it's now my main OS and if you told me several years ago that I would be mostly using Linux, I would think you're talking total nonsense.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Looks like someone made a tutorial specific to tomb engine and wine: here Doesn't look super complicated compared to some other windows only applications I've been tasked with getting working, (I'm looking at you proprietary Harley Davidson software my father in law was struggling with).

    It boils down to a) install wine, b) install winetricks c) install tomb engine, d) use winetricks to fix a dll.

    You're right though; Native wine isn't particularly noob friendly.

    Alternatively you could try bottles (basically wine with a better GUI) or just install your application using native wine, then add it to steam as a non-steam application and enable proton compatibility (this works surprisingly often with no extra config weirdness).

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I've been on Mint for 2 years now. So far the only roadblock I've hit is my obsolete audio interface not talking to it, and that's not Mint's fault. Everything else was a seamless transition for me. I will admit that I'm not super enthusiastic about GIMP though. Welcome to the club.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It might be worth getting a cheap Soundblaster card for your computer. Mint seems to have good support for all of them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's a laptop. Really I just need to buy a slightly newer interface. My old one was running in Windows 10 with a Windows 7 legacy driver. I haven't been bit by the recording bug lately so it hasn't mattered. I've been focusing on playing badly around campfires instead. Eventually I will get around to it. My list of hobbies is stupid long.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well if you're still interested in updating your laptop, Soundblaster actually makes a sound card on a USB stick for less than $20 (Amazon). :)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I miss Windows 95.

    That ui was so damn clean. There was basically zero bloat and everything had a place.

    A computer was a tool and only did what you wanted it to. Nothing more, nothing less.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I miss Windows 95.

    That ui was so damn clean. There was basically zero bloat and everything had a place

    You might be interested in serenity.

    https://serenityos.org/

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Aww, man alive. Most perfect desktop environment I've seen in years, and then it's a full OS rather than just a DE. Had been looking in the ArchWiki for how to install it and everything.

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  • [–] 97 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I guess it is the year of the Linux desktop for at least some people.

    I've used Linux desktop in various forms for just over two decades, this has to be the fourth time it felt like Linux was having its chance to seize marketshare. Each time it ends up not being the mass adoption that people hope for but it feels like the community grows each time so I think it is neat nonetheless.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    Anecdotally, I was tinkering with it earlier this year and finally stopped being lazy and flipped my main PC over. After I talked about it enough in my friend chat, three more friends followed suit and a fourth is going to soon. It's not just the end of supporting Windows 10, it's all of the repeated bugs, glitches, and AI garbage Microsoft has been pushing everywhere so aggressively. People who would likely only rate themselves as "mildly" tech savvy are sick of it and willing to make a move, I feel.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm ok with that. You hit a point where a community sustains, and is good. Lemmy is a great example of that. Often, when it grows past that, it can become.. unsavory.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    Windows 8 is what pushed me to Linux. Linux is better than ever. Proton is just amazing.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (33 children)

    Is there a dumbie sheet or cheat sheet . I just feel lost on linex.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Depends on what you feel lost about, if it is the basics in general then I would suggest you start of and read about the basics here https://labex.io/linuxjourney they write about the very basics in a very simple way. I think they did a good job, they start of with what Linux is, what distros are to commands from the most basics as how to navigate in the terminal to more advanced combinations. They also have vms where you can try out the commands if you haven't switched yet.

    If it is a cheat sheet as in commands then i would say it is better to make your own of the commands you care about but you can start of by using other ppls list like this one https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/linux-unix/linux-commands-cheat-sheet/ but it can be overwhelming for you so use the linuxjouney first. Also it is very important to learn how to look up how to use the arguments in the terminal with man or -h to make it faster and less painful to use.

    If you are lost about programs then there are a lot of good GitHub pages that links to useful programs and cli tools, you just need to search for awesome Linux list

    Examples:

    https://github.com/luong-komorebi/Awesome-Linux-Software You can use their web pages version too https://luong-komorebi.github.io/Awesome-Linux-Software/ https://githublists.com/lists/awesome-lists/awesome-bash

    Here is one for distros https://github.com/kolioaris/awesome-linux-distros

    Here is an example for customizing https://github.com/fosslife/awesome-ricing

    When looking for programs is it very important that you know what distro you are on, what desktop environment (like kde, gnome, xfce) and what window composition you use (usually Wayland or x11, x11 is older and is more compatible).

    So in short start of at https://labex.io/linuxjourney

    Then look up distros here https://github.com/kolioaris/awesome-linux-distros

    For new ppl do I think Ubuntu based is best because almost everything has a Ubuntu version, when you feel ready can you test out other distros. I haven't tried bazzite, I started of many years ago on debian (a few random ones like arch and mint) and then pop os for many years and now cachyos, I liked my journey but that doesn't mean it is correct for others.

    I would suggest to have all of your data you care about on a separate disk or have automatic backup of it so you can break your os without care. And if you start customizing would I suggest setting up a GitHub repo and commit your changes everytime you like what you see so it is easy to go back if you regret something.

    I hoped this helped on your journey, I didn't want to overwhelm you so I hope I kept it simple enough :D

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  • Thanks for that, I've saved your post for when I switch. My laptop runs windows 11 but I'm not enjoying the experience. Used linux a bit in the 90s but I've forgotten everything and will have to start from scratch. Yep, when I get some time I'm going to make the jump.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If it is a cheat sheet as in commands

    With most modern distros, I would say that most typical users shouldn't have to go to the command line any more than they had to in windows (which is to say very seldom).

    Yet there is that lingering reputation that you have to be some sort of command line guru to even think about using Linux- and that simply isn't true. Hasn't been true for decades.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    This is true, but I think it is good to know the basics because sometimes is it easier just like it can be easier in Mac and windows.

    I think it is good to know about the tools you have so you can do the best decisions for your use case.

    But like you said the terminal is not a must (for most) so if you feel uncomfortable about it then the terminal is not a reason to not switch to Linux.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Im setting up a raspberry pi for media then switching my pc to linux. So it should be interesting. Thank you for all the great starting points.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Glad I could be of help! Knowing the basics about the terminal (cli) will help you a lot with your raspberrypi when you wish to fix/change/do things on the fly. I often use ssh to connect to mine to do stuff from my phone haha

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I do free infinite troubleshooting on matrix, I have over 15 years of experience

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    Just ask people here, people just love anyone who switches over to Linux and want to learn about it. Because we actually love this operating system. Its so good.

    When my kid started using Linux, once he knew how to start programs and install things, we went through where the files are on the file system and how to get there in a terminal. I think thats a good starting point so you understand the foundation of the system.

    And then go though a basic Linux command line tutorial to learn about the common tools for listing files, filtering results, renaming and deleting files etc.

    You can do that stuff in a graphical file manager too but you dont really get that understanding of how things work until you do it in the terminal.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Any specific things you are getting stuck on?

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    If it's on the distros, don't fret it too much. They all do everything, it's just an initial configuration.

    I have been recommending Mint specifically, as it targets the average user with a 'it just works' mentality.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Can confirm. For anybody else reading: Mint was my first Linux distro away from Windows, and it's been great daily driver.

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  • Third'd

    Mint or any other ubuntu-derivative distro is 10000% the move. I've been running ubuntu as my os for a while now, and I've spent nearly the last decade on linux (makes me feel old saying that lol).

    The other distros have a lot of strength, but at the end of the day i want to spend my time messing with things i want to mess with. I don't want random weird issues that I have to constantly debug, and everyone can agree that stability is debian's (and therefore ubuntu's) undisputed strength

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    For all their faults, LLMs are pretty damn good at basic trouble shooting of Linux. Ideally prepare context for them with installation details. Use CLI client, recommend opencode CLI, plan agent is good to inspect the commands it will plan to run and let's you inspect and think through what it is doing. Can also ask for clarifications along the way.

    It's not perfect but very good.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Honestly, if you go that route I'd probably recommend using an LLM only for information and asking questions, but run commands yourself and actually read it's responses. If you don't understanding something, ask for elaboration. Otherwise, you risk too much automation, letting it set up configurations you don't have actual understanding of and making a spaghettified mess.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    If you are new I suggest bazzite, and get lutris to install windows apps outside of steam. It takes care of most of the stuff and to install software, on bazzite you use "sudo rpm-ostree install " and then reboot because bazzite uses an ostree system, or just get it in a flatpak if available. Between bazzite and knowing how to install packages outside of the flatpak repository, that should cover most of your bases for a few years and you can learn other stuff when you have the inclination. ChatGPT is really knowledgeable about Linux since it's open source. It's often much faster than digging through forums just be specific when you speak to it.

    Also if you get your setup in a decent shape, you can shrink the partition and image it with dd with a single command, and then compress it to have a full system backup, which is basically your own image. Then you just write it back with a program like etcher later if you screw up your system and then just reexpand the partition to the full drive. If you get bazzite though you won't have much need to use the terminal or install anything outside flathub which will keep you from breaking the system. Also update the system occasionally, to get security fixes once a week or two is probably fine if you don't have open ports to run a server and aren't running random software.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is this satire?

    Seriously, if I was new to Linux, coming from Windows, asking for a cheat sheet or Linux for dummies manual, everything you wrote would sound like absolute gibberish to me.

    If this was someone's response to me when asking for advice I'd immediately reinstall windows where at least (from the perspective of a typical end user) they speak words that make sense.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's the easiest way to get into Linux if you need good GPU support and I assume most people play video games. Bazzite is what finally got me into Linux because it mostly just worked out of the box which is something most Linux distros I tried before that never did. I would always end up breaking them in a day or two trying to get the GPU driver installed or something. Bazzite is really good for beginning users. Not the greatest for mid tier when you are trying to gain a deeper understanding because it replies heavily on containers and file system overlays.

    Also you have to remember that for people who aren't ultra Linux nerds. It's an incredible amount of work to get Linux to work. It's often days of painful configuration and research per machine. This, and a lack of gaming support is the main reason I think most people avoid Linux, which is why I suggest bazzite, as the shit just works distro.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    You shouldn't ever use rpm-ostree to install stuff with, as it can cause issues with future system updates.

    First port of call should be flatpaks in the bazaar.

    Second, look for flatpaks or appimages online.

    Third, use distrobox to install something via a different distro and export it as a shortcut to bazzite. I use arch in a distrobox, btw.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It seems to be okay for me, there is maybe a handful of things I install, and I don't want fedora so much as that's what bazzite is built on. If it breaks I'll just move on as I'm getting a bit more familiar with Linux. I will probably install Debian or mint or something with a much more simple file system when this one breaks.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Even though bazzite is fedora-based you're not really meant to interact with the fedora side of it all. At least that's the impression I've gotten from it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I dont think it matters really for installing little programs. You probably shouldn't change your kernel or something. When you update the system it's just using rpm-ostree and doing a standard update through the repos, then it updates flatpaks. On the steamdeck since it's arch it will break pretty easily if you update the wrong thing, but bazzite is built in fedora.

    The rpm-ostree systems is also good for anything that breaks because it's basically a snapshot system. Everytime you install something or update it creates a snapshot of your old working install which you can easily roll back to if anything breaks. You could use containers for stuff but that's not really necessary. It does probably make the system more stable in ways but then you have to deal with the headaches of using containers and having everything isolated from each other. For web services though containers are worth it as it greatly increases the security of the system.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I installed some stuff with epm-ostree early on in my experience in bazzite and at some point i could no longer update. I had to do a rebase to sort it. Thankfully, that's easy and pretty quick though.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Interesting, this is one of the reasons I'm trying to sort of get everything to Debian eventually. I think complexity in software is often bad. Especially for someone like me who is always tweaking and changing stuff and trying things.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In all of the bazzite documentation they always warn against it anyway. As long as you use the OS as intended it's super smooth and simple, you just have steam and flatpaks readily available.

    If you want a good gaming distro but more control like using a proper native package manager instead of flatpaks, I'd recommend cachyos. If you don't want to delve into distrobox on bazzite to get use of a package manager anyway.

    You could always have a Debian distrobox if you want to use its systems within bazzite.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yeah well bazzite was sort of my first real long term use of Linux, it was good for that purpose. Let me mostly just use the machine without needing to be a Linux hacker. I will probably move on to a more simple system after it breaks. It works fine as it is, I can solve many little issues it might have with repos or keys or something. Flatpaks are cool and all that, but some of the software I use like my tethering app, binary decompilers and compilers, and little misc tools aren't available in flatpaks. Sometimes if something is simple enough I just copy it into the bin folder I can't imagine that would cause many issues other than not automatically updating.

    Using containers is just too much of headache for me rn. I'm usually pretty limited in my time, I work overtime most weeks. I'm often spending hours just trying to get one or a few simple things done in my off time. Fooling with extra complexity quickly just gets out of control. I don't want to use containers because, it's not integrated into the system, the file system isn't unified, it's tons of extra stuff to learn to essentially gain little to no benefit, and it often breaks more documented ways of doing things, and I rely a lot on documentation and forum posts and chatGPT and stuff to do these things because I'm just not on that level of Linux user yet. Reinstalling an operating system is fairly trivial to me. It's maybe a day, where adding all the complexity multiplies my inefficiencies over many days.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    I'm using it on my laptop as a teacher. My gaming PC with steam is linux. I see improvements in performance every half year.

    Had a student want to use it. I told him he needs to dual boot. Keep his options open. Then time will tell whether he will make the great leap.

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