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[–] 12 points 1 year ago

So they're telling them to ignore official government documentation and to put something else? That's fraud.

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    [–] 121 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    "You may not fly on our planes without explicitly disclosing details about the nature of your genitals."

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To most people? No. But it really matters to Republicans what's in your pants.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Practically, yes. If the embassy were evacuating citizens, they’d need to know if the Tracey Warner they’re looking for is male or female.

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    ...why is sex required anyway?..

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    ...no, I really want to know...

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Most identity documents do have a "sex" field, going all the way back to your birth certificate. It is seen as a key part of ones identity.

    We can argue (and have argued) as a society about whether they are conflating "sex" with "gender". I just checked, though, and both my state-issued drivers' license and my Federal passport list my "sex" as an identifying trait.

    The article gives a pretty good analysis of why it is good that we now have an "X" designation, for those who choose to use it. It's none of anyone's business how people present themselves vs. what is in their pants. However, we have very invasive technology that can see very intricate details, and a human with a penis who looks female may raise suspicion when they find bulges where they "shouldnt" be.

    What is happening now is a bit of overreach, though. Identity documents have been issued, both in the US and other countries, with the "X" designation, and this policy just directs officials to ignore that. What else will they be told to ignore on official documents next?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ...i require why sex is important, and you favour the argument that sex isn't important, i like you...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I mean, it is a key part of ones identity, so it makes sense that it appears on identification documents.

    The key question is whether it is more important to document the organs you had at birth, or how you present yourself now.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I agree that this is a ridiculous overreach, of course.

    But I'm also so weary of this "Obsession with what's in your pants" argument everyone keeps memeing, as if, somehow sexual dimorphism is not a thing in our species and it's 100% about genitalia.

    It's generally a valid descriptive trait that is often useful for identifying humans you otherwise know nothing much about.

    I think there's room for understanding a rationale of such things while still condemning how petty, hateful, and stupid 100% of this administration's ideas are.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Mostly so they can more easily punish those who dare to stray too far from stereotypical gender roles.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    We have climate change, extreme disparity in wealth gap leading to poverty expanding, never ending wars, no functional right to healthcare, etc and these gaping bloviating rectums focus energy and attention on this bigoted nonsense. All by design.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I did say it was all by design. And it is systematized bigotry and affects real people so I'll call it what it is.

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    [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    Hi, I’d like to buy a plane ticket to San Fr-

    PENIS OR VAGINA?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wouldn’t that be done at the passport application process where airlines aren’t involved?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    It was, already. That's why some documents have "X" in the first place. The government is explicitly directing them to ignore that, and just make shit up to put in that field.

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    When someone is missing or is a possible threat, they give a description - white 35yo male - or whatever. I get having sex on ID info. I'm old and I'm confused by m/f and why the person needs to change instead of society changing? Can you still be what you medically are but wear, look, alter how you choose? How much is "i feel female" versus "i feel like what society expects female to be" ? I dunno- like I said, I'm old and confused.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    I’m also old, and often confused, but less about this one, because of personal experience.

    The world is shifting quickly away from “almost everyone adheres to gender norms” to “what’s wrong with people being perceived the way they’d like to be?”

    It’s about individual expression of self. The bits and bobs that people have under their clothes may have zero correlation with what their traditionally recognized appearance is.

    If someone is lost or a threat, it makes more sense to look for them based on how they present themselves in public, and not how they look naked. (Which can be ambiguous, too.)

    Your recognizing your own confusion is a good thing. It means that you are aware that there are still things you need to learn. You’re all right.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    If they're putting out a description, someone with an X market is probably better visually described as "gender non-conforming" than a gender they're not really presenting as. They may even present as one gender for the flight and then another when out in public, so being described with one gender could actively disrupt visual identification.

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "How can we let you on this plane without intimate knowledge of your genitals?"

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Americans are the most timid, compliant people on the planet.

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