Oh my fucking god. I just right clicked a link to an article to open it in a new tab in Firefox and saw an option to "Ask an AI Chatbot (Z)." Fucking EW. There was thankfully an option to remove it from my context menu, but oh my fucking god, AI bros are so fucking desperate to adopt this tech en masse, I swear to god.Let the fucking bubble burst, nobody fucking likes generative-AI and making it goddamn inescapable is not going to make us like it. Let it go the way of NFT and the metaverse like it goddamn deserves. If generative-AI was genuinely that fucking good, people would naturally adopt it like we did with computers. Companies did not have to work this hard to get people to adopt computers because their purpose and value was obvious. And @mozilla, @firefox please for the love of god, stop adding AI features. I get you're partially funded by Google, but grow a goddamn spine and listen to your users. People do not like these features and expect better from you. Firefox is supposed to be about privacy and generative-AI is NOT good for privacy (do I even need to mention Windows Recall?) You wanna be the alternative to Google so bad, yet you do the same scummy, disliked sh!t everyone hates Google for. #generativeAI #SlightRant #AI #Firefox #Criticism #FuckAI

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[–] 53 points 1 year ago

I was wondering why there were so many people tagging others in this thread, it is not normally what I see on Lemmy, so I had a look at the instances people were posting from, as well as where this thread was posted.

It was quite impressive.

Oop created this thread using Mastodon, the thread is located on an mbin instance, other mastodon users posted in it, and here I am reading it and posting in it from Lemmy.

Really cool that it works this well!

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Adding for anybody that wants to disable it all:

    user_pref("browser.ml.enable", false); // general switch for machine learning features in Firefox, though it might only apply to some of them, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1971973#c11
    user_pref("browser.ml.chat.enabled", false); // AI Chatbot (https://docs.openwebui.com/tutorials/integrations/firefox-sidebar/#additional-about-settings)
    user_pref("browser.ml.chat.sidebar", false);
    user_pref("browser.ml.chat.menu", false); // remove "Ask a chatbot" from tab context menu
    user_pref("browser.ml.chat.page", false); // remove option in page context menu (https://github.com/mozilla/policy-templates/issues/1230)
    user_pref("extensions.ml.enabled", false); // might only be relevant for app developers
    user_pref("browser.ml.linkPreview.enabled", false);
    user_pref("browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled", false); // "Use AI to suggest tabs and a name for tab groups" in settings
    user_pref("browser.tabs.groups.smart.userEnabled", false);
    user_pref("pdfjs.enableAltTextModelDownload", false); // "This prevents downloading the AI model unless the user opts in (by enabling the toggle to "Create alt text automatically" from "Image alt text settings" when viewing a PDF)"
    user_pref("pdfjs.enableGuessAltText", false); // (disabling this might be redundant when AltTextModelDownload is disabled)
    
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  • [+] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This right here. It's one of those situations where always asking the company to "Just listen to your users, ez, lol!" results in something that, surprisingly, quite a few people dislike.

    Because yes, I'd say Most People™️ actively like AI-generated stuff, and of course there are valid use cases (like summarizing text and video content, the latter even helping with accessibility). But this in turn means that if a company listens to user input, they will shove AI into their products even if they would otherwise not be looking at doing it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    of course there are valid use cases (like summarizing text and video content, the latter even helping with accessibility)

    only if you don't care about accuracy or completely made up transcription that just didn't happen.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am not that person but I use AI to figure out mostly computer issues that I have troubles to Google for.

    I guess Google got so fucked up that even adding reddit to a prompt doesn't yeld a good result. And if you didn't add "reddit", results are all over the place and you still fail to find an answer. Fuck quora, who dafuck uses quora? Never saw a good answer there like ever.

    And then there is chatgp that gives you options and so far it's been quite on point at least for me.

    My guess would be it is general Google entshittification rather than superiority of LLMs. People want answers for their questions and Google is failing to provide any good info for past 5 years.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    grow a goddamn spine and listen to your users. People do not like these features and expect better from you

    This might shock you but Firefox is trying to appeal to people who are not already firefox users.

    An additional shocking revelation of which you seem to be unaware is that a lot of people do find value in these chat bots.

    I do mostly kind of agree with you. Yes Gen AI is over-hyped. Yes their is a dangerous investment bubble. Yes I wish Firefox would just focus on being a great browser.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Yeah this is a feature we have because mozilla listens to their users.

    This is tough to swallow for most of us - I hate this crap except for a minority of ultra-narrow use cases - but the general population of users loves AI. They want more of it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This might shock you but Firefox is trying to appeal to people who are not already firefox users.

    No they aren't. They are trying to appeal to investors and advertisers.

    https://blog.mozilla.org/en/advertising/index-exchange-partnership/

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    ... and what, pray tell, do advertisers and investors desire?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The same thing they always want: Surveillance, behavior tracking, and avenues to advertise.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yes, but they want more users to surveil and track.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sure, but Mozilla doesn't care about that. They only care about the short-term gains they can get by milking those advertisers and investors.

    If Mozilla cared about bringing in more users, they would do things that users want, instead of what they have been doing for the past decade or so.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    This might shock you but Firefox is trying to appeal to people who are not already firefox users.

    Fuck them if they want the opposite of what firefox users want. Stop fucking chasing whoever isn't already on board with your current offering by fucking over your current users.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Firefox isn't really viable with it's current user base. Mozilla is circling the drain really.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    It could have been viable with the user base that they had years ago, and it probably could be viable today, but Mozilla keeps throwing away all of their goodwill so that they can keep paying absurd salaries for shitty executives.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I absolutely agree that mozilla has squandered it's strong position from a decade ago.

    ... the series of "strategic" decisions that have been unsuccessful is embarrassing really.

    That said, the "shitty executives" narrative is reddit edge lord stuff. Any large successful project is going to need well paid experienced executives. Of course you can judge them harshly in hindsight, but it's naive to assume they're making poorly informed decisions.

    Like in your other comment suggesting there's no evidence that users love chat bots - you can absolutely guarantee that mozilla has conducted some market research indicating that it's a feature set that will attract more users.

    Of course you can engage in supposition that such an assertion is incorrect, you can even predict that it will ultimately be another failure.

    However, it's hubris to suggest that your own assessment of the market is more accurate than mozilla's - exactly the kind of hubris you're accusing mozilla of.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Any large successful project is going to need well paid experienced executives.

    That's not true at all. There are plenty of large, successfull projects that don't have well paid experienced executives.

    Like in your other comment suggesting there’s no evidence that users love chat bots - you can absolutely guarantee that mozilla has conducted some market research indicating that it’s a feature set that will attract more users.

    I can not guarantee that at all. They have a long history of doing things to make money, at the cost of users. I don't see why this has to be any different.

    However, it’s hubris to suggest that your own assessment of the market is more accurate than mozilla’s - exactly the kind of hubris you’re accusing mozilla of.

    That's not what I'm accusing them of at all. What I'm accusing them of is having mis-aligned goals.

    My goal would be to have useful, free software that gives agency and power to it's users.

    Mozilla's goal is to give their executives a lot of money, by pretending to give a shit about their users, while openly selling them out.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why not? It worked so well for the Democrats!

    checks the news ... wait ... oh god... ohgodohgodohgod

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It'd be simpler to just write tRuMp 2028

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    If you think that's what I believe, you're even dumber than I thought. Fucking pathetic. Truly, you are a binary thinking dope of miniscule thinking capacity.

    Seriously, if rightfully judging the Democrats implies to you that I support Republicans or especially Trump, then you are a brainless fool. A blithering moron incapable of understanding nuance.

    Two things can be bad at the same time. So go right ahead and blame me, someone with NO political power, when the Democrats HAVE political power and will not stop it.

    You are a fucking pathetic victim-blaming loser. Do better.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    @Eeveecraft @mozilla @firefox When they started adding all that crap, I tried & just kept using Librewolf. Still firefox based, but I don't see all that new bloat anymore. It just sucks there isn't LibreWolf on android.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    i had a bunch of AI BS disabled from a prior paste into my user.js so i actually got jumpscared with an unlabeled entry in my context menu. i decided to dig into about:config to find anything else under browser.ml. and set to false or blank it out.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    @Eeveecraft @mozilla @firefox What are you talking about? Mozilla saw that everyone was going to their browser to get away from Google, so naturally they did the intelligent thing and became more like Google. I mean, it makes perfect sense, right?There is a setting in about:config to completely disable it, but I'd recommend that you switch to a fork like LibreWolf on PC or IronFox on Android to ensure stuff like that will be disabled to begin with even if later updates would turn it on.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    @nazokiyoubinbou @Eeveecraft @mozilla @firefox Is IronFox similar to LibreWolf default settings profile? I haven't heard of that one & i hate that #librewolf isn't on android...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    @Zander @Eeveecraft @mozilla @firefox Yes, I'd say they're fairly similar. It's a fork of the mobile version of Firefox, so it's kind of a different beast in its own way, but they take similar views and methods on privacy and security.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I find this very useful, I wouldn't normally click in articles just read the title, so at least now I can read a summary.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You sound like an old conservative bitching about the Internet in the 90s. Were you furious 10 years ago about the word "server"?

    AI is not NFTs, the metaverse, or Windows Recall. It's not a monolith. It cannot simply be reduced to "good" or "bad". It is a marketing term applied to a natural progression of computing technology. It has pros and cons. It will become more power efficient over time. Some use cases will go away and we will find areas where it shines. Be angry at how Big Tech is abusing it, sure, but educate yourself about what it is or continue to splinter yourself culturally away from society.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Go ahead and do a google search. You're free to. It's wonderful. You can search for a specific product and it'll spit out links to buy completely unrelated products. You can try to access basis info about a business and not find it. You can ask technical questions and not get answers. It's all out there but will you see it? No. Why? Because fuck you, apparently.

    You can ask a chatbot and get any of that info. There's a small chance it'll be wrong. But you can ask again. Or try google.

    Do I love this situation? I fucking hate it. I'd rather have a functional search engine than ask a chatbot. But it IS the situation. If you don't like it then don't use it.

    If you honestly believe that one of the most useful technologies ever invented is going to be abandoned because people don't like it, or it's been placed somewhere it maybe shouldn't be, then I have a bridge to sell you.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm one of the people who actually likes the (e.g. DDG) AI overview for searches. Mainly because it cites its sources.

    It allows me to bypass the SEO'd shit factories that make regular search useless.

    Having said that, I'd seen that context menu option too and cringed.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago

    I like generative AI it's awesome and I agree that context menu crap is annoying but you are wrong to think Mozilla cares about customers. Anyways enjoy your echo chamber.

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