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[–] 152 points 1 year ago (58 children)

Crash can't come soon enough

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Will it crash, though? It's replacing people, and people are expensive.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It's doing a shit job at replacing people, it's still too prone to hallucinating for the vast majority of its applications.

    In many of the applications where AI has replaced people the promised performance gains never materialized because of the insane amount of babysitting a LLM agent requires.

    Doesn't matter if it can write 10 hours of code in 5 minutes if you still need a software dev to troubleshoot the output for 25 hours.

    They have like 90% reliability (figure pulled directly from my ass) but they need 99.99% reliability to actually be effectively reliable.

    They've burned through all their hype and still haven't made it reliable yet. I think they're not going to get it done before the bubble collapses.

    It'll be similar to the dotcom boom, infinite hype implosion collapses the market to a few core players and then those core players will get there over the next 15 years.

    Isn't going to disappear but it's absolutely going to fade into the background of day to day life.

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  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (53 children)

    "We need a new plague" - Dwight Schrute

    Edit: Wow. Folks really can't take a joke!

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (48 children)

    The people can stay, it is the AI that has to go.

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  • [+] -29 points 1 year ago (43 children)

    From a long term environmental standpoint that's not at all clear cut.

    We objectively have too many humans in our biosphere for our current rate of resource consumption and we should significantly drop the overall number.

    However, our current standard of living is mostly the result of a shared economy where we pool and share our resources and have a shit ton of people working.

    Right now neural network algorithms consume a lot of processing power and resources, but they also solve whole new classes of automations problems that computers haven't been able to solve before.

    If we actually want to maintain our standard of living and reduce the population size, we may very well need AI automation utilities. They can keep scaling down in size and power consumption in the way that a real human can't.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Stop this ecofascist shit.

    We can support the current population, it's just not profitable or popular to do so.

    Birthrates naturally level off as societies develop. Many are already seeing negative growth.

    Our current standard of living is mostly predicated on offshoring the suffering and waste to the global South, but even that could be comfortably leveled off if we weren't living under Capitalism.

    We don't need large AI farms, we need empathy. The techbros will not save us.

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  • [+] -22 points 1 year ago* (17 children)

    We can support the current population, it's just not profitable or popular to do so.

    If your solution ignores the nature of human psychology it's not a solution, it's a quixotic quest.

    Our current standard of living is mostly predicated on offshoring the suffering and waste to the global South, but even that could be comfortably leveled off if we weren't living under Capitalism.

    Yes, and as their standard of living rises to meet ours, the whole human output becomes increasingly unsustainable.

    We don't need large AI farms, we need empathy. The techbros will not save us.

    There is a more plausible path for neural networks to be involved in climate change solutions then their is for you to replace capitalism.

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  • [+] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    my brother in christ what are you saying? you know that rich people are the biggest polluters?

    Yes, and what do you think is happening as other countries rise out of poverty? We have way too many humans on this planet to support everyone having a middle class lifestyle.

    you know how ai datacenters literally destroy our planet?

    Yeah, right now. But if you tried to render 4k videos in 1990 it would also take a full data center and enormous amount of power, but computer chips can do this thing where they get smaller and orders of magnitude more efficient over time, which is how every single phone can do it on 5W of usb power today.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The rain of down votes on ur comments shows me that Lemmy has become every bit as much if not worse an echo chamber than reddit. Facts of the matter are humans are overcrowding the plant and gobbling up all the resources at an unsustainable rate. Human population DOES need to drop a bit of we are to use this planet long term, lest we spell our own doom in a few hundred years by picking this once beautiful planet to the bone.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Only on lemmy would someone think 22 total votes of which only 3/4 are downvotes would be considered a “rain of downvotes” imagine if you were in a room with 22 people and 4 agree with you but 18 didn’t. That wouldn’t be considered a flood of downvotes. That’d just be a minority position.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Excuse my ignorance but how does one analyze how many up or down votes a comment has on Lemmy?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You can separate the vote totals in the settings i believe. Piefed does it automatically. You can also use lemvotes.org to see how each person voted for the comment or post.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I am using the voyager app and have not found a place to separate them but I appreciate the response! I have not looked much into other Lemmy browsing apps and hardly ever use it on the computer...

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Lmao no

    I'm sure that if AI could get to the state where it could even approach maybe doing those things, it will mesh very well with capitalism and we'd all benefit collectively. One of the core tenants of capitalism.

    I hope someone drops you on your head again

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Surplus value cannot be extracted from technology? I guess if you mean directly.

    Every technological advancement has been used to to create more value that workers produce that gets stolen by the owner class, so through the transitive property, 100% percent of the value created by technology is stolen from the people actually using the technology to produce the value.

    We've had insane technology breakthroughs that have made the value we produce skyrocket, and we're in the negative, by a shit ton.

    Also those data centers would be classified under "means of production" and in an actual socialistic or communistic economy would be under the control of the people and would then produce value for us.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Edited that comment while you were reading.

    Yeah I know that, but you also said this:

    surplus value can't be extracted from technology, it can only make workers more efficient cost for cost.

    we don't own the datacenters, therefore it won't ever be making value to us.

    Nuance is important.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Your issue is clearly with capitalism, and yet you're brain deadly bitching about AI instead.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We're just going to pretend that the only reason companies are funding AI research isn't because they want to replace the work force because it could be cheaper?

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  • [+] -18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They're the ecofascist yet you're the one saying "you'll shit in the mud and you'll like it".

    Birthrates lower partially thanks to higher standard of living, which are not sustainable for 7+ billions people.

    Not that I think LLMs are going to help in any way, but every time someone mentions overpopulation, all the counter arguments I see are loads of anti system rhetoric with nothing to show for it.

    You think soviet Russia was/current China is sustainable?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    The earth can easily sustain our current population at a 1st world standard of living, but only if we are orders of magnitude more efficient. That means things like no mass car usage, eco-urbanisn, no more single family homes with quarter acre empty lawns, widespread plant-based foods as the norm, and repairable technology that actually lasts decades instead of planned obsolescence and cheap plastic junk that fills up landfills.

    You don't need to be some anarcho-primitivist/Ted Kaczynski wannabe living in a wooden shack with one set of clothes.

    Now is that viable in the current societal climate? No, people, especially Americans generally hate much of those eco-urbanist ideas. As long as Capitalism is the default economic system and neo-liberal politics is the default political approach to democracy, we will continue marching towards a consumerist doom.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    If we actually want to maintain our standard of living and reduce the population size, we may very well need AI automation utilities. They can keep scaling down in size and power consumption in the way that a real human can't.

    Theoreticisizing LLM's usefulness and resourcefulness doesn't help you there. For now they are rather useless embaracingly inefficient resoucehogs existing purely because of the bubble. It's a gamble at best, or a waste of resources and a degradation of human workforce at worst.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    AI is not just LLMs, and it's already revolutionized biotechnical engineering through things like alpha fold. Like I said, "AI", as in neural network algorithms of which LLMs are just one example, are literally solving entirely new classes of problems that we simply could not solve before.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    LLM is what usually sold as AI nowadays. Convential ML is boring and too normal, not as exciting as a thing that processes your words and gives some responses, almost as if it's sentient. Nvidia couldn't come to it's current capitalization if we defaulted to useful models that can speed up technical process after some fine tuning by data scientists, like shaving off another 0.1% on Kaggle or IRL in a classification task. It usually causes big but still incremental changes. What is sold as AI and in what quality it fits into your original comment as a lifesaver is nothing short of reinvention of one's workplace or completely replacing the worker. That's hardly hapening anytime soon.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    LLM is what usually sold as AI nowadays. Convential ML is boring and too normal, not as exciting as a thing that processes your words and gives some responses, almost as if it's sentient.

    To be fair, that's because there are a lot of automation situations where having semantic understanding of a situation can be extremely helpful in guiding action over a ML model that is not semantically aware.

    The reason that AI video generation and out painting is so good for instance it that it's analyzing a picture and dividing it into human concepts using language and then using language to guide how those things can realistically move and change, and then applying actual image generation. Stuff like Waymo's self driving systems aren't being run through LLMs but they are machine learning models operating on extremely similar principles to build a semantic understanding of the driving world.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'd argue, that it sometimes adds complexity to an already fragile system. Like when we implement touchscreens instead of buttons in cars. It's akin to how Tesla, unlike Waymo, dropped LIDAR to depend on regular videoinputs alone. Direct control over systems without unreliable interfaces, semantic translation layer, computer vision dependancy etc serves the same tasks without additional risks and computational overheads.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I'd argue, that it sometimes adds complexity to an already fragile system.

    You don't have to argue that, I think thats inarguably true. But more complexity doesn't inherently mean worse.

    Automatic braking and collision avoidance systems in cars add complexity, but they also objectively make cars safer. Same with controls on the steering wheel, they add complexity because you now often have two places for things to be controlled and increasingly have to rely on drive by wire systems, but HOTAS interfaces (Hands On Throttle And Stick) help to keep you focused on the road and make the overall system of driving safer. While semantic modelling and control systems absolutely can make things less safe, if done well they can also actually let a robot or machine act in more human ways (like detecting that they're injuring someone and stopping for instance).

    Direct control over systems without unreliable interfaces, semantic translation layer, computer vision dependancy etc serves the same tasks without additional risks and computational overheads.

    But in this case, Waymo is still having to do that. They're still running their sensor data through incredibly complex machine learning models that are somewhat black boxes and producing semantic understandings of the world around it, and then act on those models of the world. The primary difference with Waymo and Tesla isn't about complexity or direct control of systems, but that Tesla is relying on camera data which is significantly worse than the human eye / brain, whereas Waymo and everyone else is supplementing their limited camera data with sensors like Lidar and Sonar that can see in ways and situations humans can't and that lets them compensate.

    That and that Waymo is actually a serious engineering company that takes responsibility seriously, takes far fewer risks, and is far more thorough about failure analysis, redundancy, etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (14 children)
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    https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/10/protein-structure-and-design-software-gets-the-chemistry-nobel/

    I don't have to dream, DeepMind literally won the Nobel prize last year. My best friend did his PhD in protein crystallography and it took him 6 years to predict the structure of a single protein underlying legionnaires disease. He's now at MIT and just watched DeepMind predict hundreds of thousands of them in a year.

    If you vet your news sources by only listening to ones that are anti-AI then you're going to miss the actual exciting advancements lurking beneath the oceans of tech bro hype.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    You need to take a step back and realize how warped your perception of reality has gotten.

    Sure LLMs and other forms of automation, artificial intelligence and brute forcing of scientific problems will continute to grow.

    What you are talking about though is extrapolating from that to a massive shift that just isn't on the horizon. You are delusional, you have read too many scifi books about AI and can't get your brain off of that way of thinking being the future no matter how dystopian it is.

    The value to AI just simply isn't there, and that is before you even include the context of the ecological holocaust it is causing and enabling by getting countries all over the world to abandon critical carbon footprint reduction goals.

    Don't come at me like you are being logical here, at least admit that this is the cool scifi tech dystopia you wanted and have been obsessed with. This is the only way you get to this point of delusion since the rest of us see these technologies and go "huh, that looks like it has some use" whereas people like you have what is essentially a religious view towards AI and it is pathetic and offensive towards religions that actually have substance to their philosophy and beliefs from my perspective.

    The rich are using the gullibility of people like you to pump and dump entire economies you fool.

    Edit I am not sure why I wrote this like you might actually take a step back, you won't, this message is really for everyone else to help emphasize how we are having the interests of the entire earth derailed by the advent of a shitty religion and its mindless disciples. The sooner the rest of us get on the same page, the sooner we can resist people like you and keep your rigid broken worldviews from destroying our futures.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You seem to be projecting about warped perspective.

    Sure LLMs and other forms of automation, artificial intelligence and brute forcing of scientific problems will continute to grow.

    That's not brute forcing of a scientific problem, it's literally a new type of algorithm that lets computers solve fuzzy pattern matching problems that they never could before.

    What you are talking about though is extrapolating from that to a massive shift that just isn't on the horizon.

    I'm just very aware of the number of problems in society that fall into the category of fuzzy pattern matching / optimization. Quantum computing is also an exciting avenue for solving some of these problems though is incredibly difficult and complicated.

    You are delusional, you have read too many scifi books about AI and can't get your brain off of that way of thinking being the future no matter how dystopian it is.

    This is just childish name calling.

    The value to AI just simply isn't there, and that is before you even include the context of the ecological holocaust it is causing and enabling by getting countries all over the world to abandon critical carbon footprint reduction goals.

    Quite frankly, you're conflating the tech bro hype around LLMs with AI more generally. The ecological footprint of Alpha Fold is tiny compared to previous methods of protein analysis that took labs of people years to discover each individual one. On top of the ecological footprint of all of those people and all of their resources for those years, they also have to use high powered equipment like centrifuges and x-ray machines. Alpha fold did that hundreds of thousands of times with some servers in a year.

    Don't come at me like you are being logical here, at least admit that this is the cool scifi tech dystopia you wanted and have been obsessed with. This is the only way you get to this point of delusion since the rest of us see these technologies and go "huh, that looks like it has some use" whereas people like you have what is essentially a religious view towards AI and it is pathetic and offensive towards religions that actually have substance to their philosophy and beliefs.

    Again, more childish name calling. You don't know me, don't act like you do.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I am treating you like a child because you refuse to use your brain.

    You gave me one obscure very early stage example that isn't even connected to the overall rise in value of LLMs and other forms of AI that has created an economic bubble worse than the dotcom bubble. So you are claiming the next real AI revolution is justtttt around the corner with a totally new technology you swear?

    Maybe?

    What I do know for sure is you are far more interested in that maybe than you are in actually engaging with the existential real world problems we are facing right now...

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I am treating you like a child because you refuse to use your brain.

    No you're doing so because you started doom scrolling before you had coffee and now you're trying to justify your uncalled for rudeness.

    You gave me one obscure

    It literally won the nobel prize.

    very early stage example

    It is not early stage, predicting the structures of those proteins has already actively changed the course of biomedical science. This isn't early stage research that need fleshing out, this is peer reviewed published research that has caused entire labs and teams to completely change what they're doing and how.

    that isn't even connected to the overall rise in value of LLMs and other forms of AI

    It is in that it uses the same underlying type of algorithms and is literally from the same team that developed the "T" in ChatGPT.

    So you are claiming the next real AI revolution is justtttt around the corner with a totally new technology you swear?

    I have not claimed that, I said that AI algorithms are likely to be part of our climate solutions and our ability to serve more people with less manual labour. They help to solve entirely new classes of problems and can do so far more efficiently than years of human labour.

    Rage out about tech bubbles and hype bros if you want. Last time it was crypto, streaming before that, apps and mobile before that, social before that, the internet before that, etc etc. Hype bubbles come and go, sometimes the underlying technology is actually useful though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I have not claimed that, I said that AI algorithms are likely to be part of our climate solutions and our ability to serve more people with less manual labour. They help to solve entirely new classes of problems and can do so far more efficiently than years of human labour.

    hahaha like AI will be a part of climate solutions are you serious right now?

    Y'all are incapable of understanding expertise in your domain does not make you an expert in everything else, there is no way anyone in the industry you are speaking about will listen to climatologists and environmental scientists long enough to even begin to be helpful.

    You keep talking about technology, when this is really a discussion about the catastrophic myopia of the tech industry of which you are making yourself a perfect example of.

    https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/articles/how-ai-is-transforming-data-centers-and-ramping-up-power-demand

    To some biologists, that approach leaves the protein folding problem incomplete. From the earliest days of structural biology, researchers hoped to learn the rules of how an amino acid string folds into a protein. With AlphaFold2, most biologists agree that the structure prediction problem is solved. However, the protein folding problem is not. “Right now, you just have this black box that can somehow tell you the folded states, but not actually how you get there,” Zhong said.

    “It’s not solved the way a scientist would solve it,” said Littman, the Brown University computer scientist.

    This might sound like “semantic quibbling,” said George Rose, the biophysics professor emeritus at Johns Hopkins. “But of course it isn’t.” AlphaFold2 can recognize patterns in how a given amino acid sequence might fold up based on its analysis of hundreds of thousands of protein structures. But it can’t tell scientists anything about the protein folding process.

    ...

    AlphaFold2’s success was founded on the availability of training data — hundreds of thousands of protein structures meticulously determined by the hands of patient experimentalists. While AlphaFold3 and related algorithms have shown some success in determining the structures of molecular compounds, their accuracy lags behind that of their single-protein predecessors. That’s in part because there is significantly less training data available.

    The protein folding problem was “almost a perfect example for an AI solution,” Thornton said, because the algorithm could train on hundreds of thousands of protein structures collected in a uniform way. However, the Protein Data Bank may be an unusual example of organized data sharing in biology. Without high-quality data to train algorithms, they won’t make accurate predictions.

    “We got lucky,” Jumper said. “We met the problem at the time it was ready to be solved.”

    https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-ai-revolutionized-protein-science-but-didnt-end-it-20240626/

    However, it should be noted that due to the intrinsic nature of AI, its success is not due to conceptual advancement and has not hitherto provided new intellectual interpretive models for the scientific community. If these considerations are placed in Kuhn’s framework of scientific revolution [68], AF release is a revolution without any paradigm change. Instead of “providing model problems and solutions for a community of practitioners” [68], it is a rather effective tool for solving a fundamental scientific problem.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12109453/

    This is because scientists working on AI (myself included) often work backwards. Instead of identifying a problem and then trying to find a solution, we start by assuming that AI will be the solution and then looking for problems to solve. But because it’s difficult to identify open scientific challenges that can be solved using AI, this “hammer in search of a nail” style of science means that researchers will often tackle problems which are suitable for using AI but which either have already been solved or don't create new scientific knowledge.

    ^ this is NOT the scientific method and it undermines the scientific integrity of the entire process

    https://www.understandingai.org/p/i-got-fooled-by-ai-for-science-hypeheres

    https://www.scilifelab.se/news/alphafold3-early-pain-points-overshadow-potential-promise/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/biotech/comments/1d1096g/ai_for_drug_discovery/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Biochemistry/comments/1gui8n8/what_can_alphafold_teach_us_about_the_impact_of/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Biochemistry/comments/1j47wqy/thoughts_on_the_recent_veritasium_video_about/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/labrats/comments/1b1l68p/people_are_overestimating_alphafold_and_its_a/

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago*

    You keep saying y'all and it's telling.

    Learn how to communicate with people, not the simplified boxes you put them in.

    When you're ready to have a conversation instead of just hearing yourself regurgitate mindless internet grandstanding I'm here.

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    This is false, it's not a binary system. The prize is both.

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    Lol if you rigidly define things binarily in a way that doesn't reflect real world systems, then sure they're binary.

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
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    Lmao, it's binary cause you say it's binary.

    Bro grow up. The world is not black and white. Literally not a single award on the planet is meritocratic if you insist on dealing in absolutes. Every award is awarded by some committee and there is some room left for human judgement, which leaves room for human bias, which makes it not perfectly meritocratic.

    If you want to go an unhinged rant that no one wants to listen to then email the nobel association directly, don't waste federated server time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thank you for finally spewing out the point you wanted to make from the jump. It's irrelevant in the context of the original discussion, but you got to hear yourself talk.

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    And your point is wrong because you keep boiling it down to simple black and white.

    The Nobel prize is not purely political and is not devoid of merit.

    The world is not full of binary systems. It's made of multi variable systems where multiple influences can be true at the same time.

    If you want to make a point about why accurately predicting the structure of hundreds of thousands of proteins doesn't deserve the Nobel in chemistry then I'm all ears. Please tell us all exactly why you think their prize was political and not meritocratic, and why predicting protein structures automatically is not important?

    Because if you can't answer that very specific question, then you weren't making a point relevant to the conversation, you were making a snide generalization to hear yourself speak.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Most people are cool with some AI when you show the small, non-plagarative stuff. It sucks that "AI" is such a big umbrella term, but the truth is that the majority of AI (measured in model size, usage, and output volume) is bad and should stop.

    Neural Network technology should not progress at the cost of our environment, short term or long term, and shouldn't be used to dilute our collective culture and intelligence. Let's not pretend that the dangers aren't obvious and push for regulation.

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    The ones advocating for corporate greed and AI are the same ones talking about a birth rate crisis. I guess they just want more proles to slave for them and damn the ones who die young in the process.

    Fuck this timeline

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    i see some state universities around saying the same, thing trying to blame the low enrollment crisis, to low birth rates, and not because COVID exposed the low-no job prospects and HCOL of post graduation. if your universities obscures/obfuscate the most important part of your DEGREE: labwork, or internships/ experience its only going to end one way.

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  • [–] 115 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    It's fucking insane how much is invested (both money and natural resources) in the emperor's new clothes. Let's scorch the planet because every idiot out there buys into the marketing and hype. We are utterly and truly doomed because of ourselves.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Future generations will look back on the pre apocalypse population and call us sleep walkers. I know, as I'm one of them. Life is difficult enough already without jeopardising my freedom as the only way to change our course is violence at this point.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    All of these problems are caused by a remarkably small network of people. I'm not even necessarily talking about the CEOs. It's the boards of directors. This is also the pool from which CEOs are drawn one and the pool to which CEOs return after their golden parachute. They function as a living repository of evil. A warehouse of criminals and nepo-babies. (Ex: Airbnb guy joined DOGE and is on teslas board. So first he destroys the housing market for a generation, and then destroys the government, and he is the person who directs Tesla.)

    Like, the network is so small it could fit in one big room.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    There's still time for a general strike. The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would've had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.

    If you aren't in a union (or even if you are, it's worth dual-carding), please consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you'll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one.

    And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn't listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above.

    • 🇦🇷 Argentina: FORA
    • 🇦🇺 Australia: ASF-IWA
    • 🇧🇷 Brazil: FOB
    • 🇧🇬 Bulgaria: ARS, CITUB
    • 🇩🇪 Germany: FAU
    • 🇬🇷 Greece: ESE
    • 🇮🇹 Italy: USI
    • 🇳🇱 🇧🇪 Netherlands & Belgium: Vriji Bond
    • 🇪🇸 Spain: CNT
    • 🇸🇪 Sweden: SAC
    • 🇬🇧 United Kingdom: UVW

    Also @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Future generations will look back on the pre apocalypse population

    If it makes you feel any better, our '01, '08, '14, and '20 recessions all put hard downward pressure on carbon emissions.

    If Trump manages to throw us into the first full blown Depression in a century, he may do more to curb US emissions than any president in history.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    AI and the investment around it are literally the only thing holding up America’s economy right now. If you take the artificial growth and the vast amounts of investment that are being pumped in AI development data centers, the US economy has barely grown half percentage point.

    No surprise that they are going to power this beast at all costs until it falls apart along with the US economy.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No surprise that they are going to power this beast at all costs

    I mean, they could use their fascist power grab to drive through the infrastructure work to expand power transmission lines needed to support a modern economy, renewables, and yes more datacenters

    Additional coal is just the easiest way since we already have century old power lines bringing that power where it’s needed

    Yes, in this case, coal might be easiest, cheapest, fastest because we can continue to neglect infrastructure. It’ll fall apart on someone else’s administration

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Typical. So basically, they’re gonna turn America into Texas. Their power grid is famously shitty and has been neglected for decades due to Republican control of the government. They are constantly kicking the can down the road for some other administration to deal with it.

    Everyone time there’s even a slight dusting of snow anywhere in Texas the power grid shuts off and people freeze to death. But Texas refuses to fix the power grid and nationalize because it would mean investing and bringing their shitty substandard power grid up to modern standards.

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  • [+] -18 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Well, I mean it's not all marketing and hype. I was able to get it to write a piece of code to scrape a RSS feed and email me if it met certain perameters. I couldn't have done that without a real grind / if at all. This is effectively the only time I've used it, and I think it's atrocious the amount of petty shit people use it for.. but there can be a functional benefit to generative AI. Makes me shed a tear thinking of the energy demand though.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    i have been using "rss2email" for years. extremely simple, works great, deterministic. no need to reinvent the wheel for a simple use case, and thats half the point here - a lot of "solutions" being found were already solved.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    In this scenario it needs to read a 5 day forecast capture key elements and only send the email/ alert the first time and not the following 4 days(if the alert remains the same) so in my previous attempts at RSS reader apps already in existence, they didn't meet the need.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    People have been making web crawlers for the past 30 years. Why do you need to torch an acre of forest to do the same?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    I'm sure people have been making crawlers for 30 years... But I haven't been, so I've been able to access "knowledge" and shape it for my use case. I think equating ~5 queries to torching an acre of forest is a bit hyperbolic which doesn't help anyone.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wow, you managed to do something you could have done without AI, but used more resources to do it.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    I might not have been clear, no I don't think I could have done it. Or if I could it would have taken months and months of learning . This was generated in about 5 queries and a total of 25 minutes testing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Jesus fucking Christ, man. RSS parsers and emailing are literally next up after "Hello, World" in programming. If that would have required "months and months of learning" as you stated elsewhere, then maybe programming just isn't for you — AI or no AI. It's OK not being able to do something! However, it's some next level 1st world entitlement shit to think that you're somehow entitled to be able to create programs without any effort on your part and with a complete disregard for the cost to the environment and the planet.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I have a low carbon footprint and my solar has exported 17,000 kWh more than my usage. Please tell me again how a 0.3 watt hour query is me completely disregarding the environment

    Edit: I have ai generated search engine summaries turned off.. I hope you do too

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hooray for cancer, asthma and bronchitis! Make America Healthy Again. Lung health is like Karate -- black is the best!

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We were too addicted to AI slop to save ourselves.

    Actually no, no one was addicted to AI slop, it was just shoved into every product so that huge companies could make a profit and everyone hates it.

    But wait! The huge companies are losing tons money on this.

    Why did we destroy the planet again????

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    The capitalist class loves the idea and rewards companies with investment money. They think it could be the ultimate tool to snuff out any power the working class still has; making many employees optional, total surveillance of the population, etc. I think it will be a long time until it can do many jobs, but the surveillance tech seems to be coming along pretty well (with "AI" cameras recording license plates and biometric identifiers being put up everywhere).

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Wish my coworkers would get the memo. Constantly trying to shove AI videos in my face like "haha look at MLK Jr and Tupac as pro wrestling announcers haha"

    As an artist I am deeply repulsed by AI. But other people around me? They love it for some reason.

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