Is this about crappy suspension support?
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Is this about windows always turning on/waking my computer for no god damned reason every few hours, thus ensuring my computer is always on?
Is the joke that hibernate and sleep states never seem to work right?
No its an antimeme. The joke is that everybody gotta turn it on.
I still dont get it :(
That’s because it’s lame. It’s not you.
It's lame in a funny way
I think this is making fun of the memes where it shows linux users going to (exaggerated) extremes to achieve something that is easy on Windows/other OS.
sleep and hibernate work fine on linux. I remember the olden days like 15 years ago where nothing of it worked. contrary to the stupid macos that was forced onto me which sleep means nothing and just keeps draining my bluetooth headphones battery anyway instead of turning off when I tell it to.
Every few updates my Pop_OS! suspend would break (sleep and not wake, or sleep and wake immediately). I could never figure it out beyond knowing NVIDIA was the source. Worked around it by swapping my graphics card to a comparable AMD card-- now my machine sleeps like a baby.
Absolutely not. Nvidia GPUs and some network cards can and will break sleep on Linux. It's currently very much broken on my machine and I stopped trying to fix it. Up until a few days ago the PC failed to properly power down to a sleep state and would leave a whole bunch of things powered up, like the monitor and the fans and the lights. Now it's even worse. On top of all that, the computer goes right back into sleep seconds after it wakes up. Extremely annoying.
I use arch btw.
It was mostly because of Nvidia drivers. So many Linux issues is just Nvidia related.
Bs, I have had so many sleep issues on laptops without Nvidia graphics cards.
The most recent issue I had was something inhibiting sleep that I couldn't disable.
Before that it was being unable to decrypt the hibernate data on an encrypted disk.
You'd still need to turn it on if it's in hibernate. Well, you might not need to push the power button, might have a laptop that can, while off, key off the lid switch. But the laptop's still off when it's hibernated.
my desktop and server get rebooted about once a month unless they get a new kernel or are pissing me off.
my laptop is dead about 50% of the time i turn it on.
Despite OP insisting otherwise, I'm gonna assume you are correct. I use a lot of flavors of linux for a lot of things, but I don't have it on a laptop (other than as an alt boot in case of a crash), so it seems logical to me that's why this joke went over my head.
Uptime is 99.99%, gotta reboot sometimes.
But by the time the lid is up to reach the power button, it's already out of sleep and operational…
Lucky you! Mine just crashes when I try to enter Sleep mode leaving both screens on and frozen, and nothing at all working.
Maybe try the kernel parameter amd_iommu=off if you have an AMD CPU (and you're talking about Linux and not Windows). I had the same problem and this fixed it for me.
I remember when windows used to brag about incredibly fast boot times.
Now, my 5 yo gaming PC takes about 30 seconds to wake up to the password screen. While my Linux laptop takes 15 seconds to go from cold start to desktop.
For me I can reach the windows desktop in around 14 or 15 seconds (auto login), for most people the biggest bottleneck is a slow bios.
Linux and windows normally have very similar boot times at least on my hardware.
5600X
B550 AORUS ELITE
Intel 660p
@Sustolic @VitoRobles 15 years ago initng in linuxmint was doing magic; booting system to gnome2 desktop in 3 seconds from grub. On PCs with intel motherboard this was about 4 seconds from poweron. And moreover, this was on HDD.Now all systems are bloated and cannot boot in 3 seconds even on SSD
Meanwhile, my work Windows laptop is significantly slower to wake up now as I'm forced to hibernate it thanks to them removing S3 sleep in favor of the modern standby shit.
The problem is that by the time I have said that to them it's already to desktop. I cursed Myself by having an operating system that is fast and efficient and I also did not install 18 different applications that open at boot. So now I just feel left out from the group not waiting for my computer to finish booting :(
like when you drink water
100% of the time I drink water my mouth gets wet. I don't get it
I’m pretty sure my average uptime for a Linux machine is like 10x my Windows PCs because they’re that much more stable.
Yeah, if I'm not using the computer I turn it off because why would I be wasting electricity? So it's the same for windows or linux to me. You do need to reboot your computer sometimes anyway. For linux it's when you update the kernel. For windows you just have to reboot for similar reasons or after you've spent a bunch of time trying to figure out why something isn't working and then in desperation "try turning it off and turning it back on again". Better to just turn it off when you're done using it and turn it on when you need it again and many of those issues are avoided completely.
So I turn off my computer when I'm not using it and I save power AND so the computer doesn't get glitchy. It doesn't take much time for the computer to boot up, so there's not much reason to not just turn it off when I'm not using it.
You guys dont turn off your laptops?
Isn't it bad for the pc?
Oh my soul is too old lol
What you guys do instead?
Walk into an average mega corp office that is full of windows desktops, after everyone has left. Every pc is still on.
On like, suspend or hibernate?
I am afraid to put my lap on suspend overnight.
Hibernate is actually usefull if you have hectic works on standby and have to shutdown
We mandate that ours are left on for orchestration and maintenance purposes.
Oh! I should turn off my laptop. Thx for the reminder
I mean, why not turn it off when you're done with it?
Mixed theories on that, and most are older.
On earlier computers, I had several ICs walk themselves out of sockets due to repeated thermal expansion cycles. Keeping the computer turned on eliminates most of that.
Mechanical wear was another problem. Booting a computer was extremely taxing on old HDDs and floppy drives.
Edit: Mechanical stuff also takes much more power to spin up and get running. The energy savings might be measurable if you just kept a computer running and didn't power cycle it everyday.
Most power supplies are really well designed now but they had a tendency to spike power briefly in when turned on. This was especially bad for older capacitors but also not healthy for the ICs. This still happens to a degree, but it's not an issue.
Now that boot times are reasonably fast and most everything is solid state and power managed really well, turning a computer off is fine.
However, I just assume most electronics now just go into some type of deep sleep mode unless fully disconnected from any power source. That likely isn't true in many cases, but I consider it healthy level of paranoia.
Maybe I'm confused here. My Linux server has like 162 days of uptime. I reboot my home computer (arch BTW) like once a week when I remember. But my windows work laptop? If that thing stays on for more than three days shit starts falling apart at random, so it gets turned off nightly.
I (another Linux user) also don't get this.
The idea is that both my Linux systems run pretty smoothly with few reboots. But my Windows laptop for work starts to crap the bed if I don't reboot it every few days.
While windows users, just open their windows.
You guys turn your computer off?
Desktop: never. Laptop: always. Suspend: Will my laptop wake up? Who knows!
Desktop: Every single time I'm don't with it. For the moment. At most I might leave it on if I have to do something for an hour or two and then come back to it. At the end of the night it is always off. Laptop: sleep, always. Occasional restarts for Linux kernels updates.
I have to push it each time to turn on and off my IBM with Linux from the factory because it won't sleep when the lid is closed and overheats in my laptop bag.
I know there is probably a fix somewhere on the internet,but I just wanna use my computer, not constantly fix it.
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