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[–] 59 points 1 year ago (37 children)
  • [–] [S] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (36 children)

    It's nice but I need something simple for cropping images in a certain aspect ratio/resolution and then exporting it to webp. I think Krita isn't the right tool for that.

    Edit: Alright, I deserve the downvotes. I didn't mention I need to do this in batch for multiple images.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (31 children)

    It’s nice but I need something simple for cropping images in a certain aspect ratio/resolution and then exporting it to webp. I think Krita isn’t the right tool for that.

    If you have trouble cropping and exporting under Krita, maybe using computers isn't the right thing for you. It's literally a single mouse click on this icon:

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 1 year ago* (30 children)

    maybe using computers isn’t the right thing for you

    Sir, this isn't Reddit. Please calm down. :)
    And now tell me how to batch-crop and export multiple images as .webp, if it's doable in Krita. Because I don't know how.

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  • [+] -25 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    Calm down.

    Why would I be not calm? I'm not the one getting nervous at looking at other alternatives.

    And now tell me how to batch-crop and export multiple images as .webp

    https://imagemagick.org/script/command-line-processing.php

    Use the right tool for the job instead of complaining.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    If something was previously the right tool for the job, then, despite no apparent changes in the behavior of the user, is intentionally broken by the creator of the tool and is no longer suitable - that is absolutely, 100% worth complaining about.

    IMHO.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Thank you, that's my opinion as well. I know developers need to put food on the table, but then they should at least be honest about that. Going into the uBlock Github and trolling people there while claiming you "always supported ad blockers" isn't the right way and I am not financially supporting developers who act like this.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I am not financially supporting developers who act like this.

    Are you financially supporting literally any developers at all? You made it clear you were not paying for a Photopea subscription and were using uBO, so there's not a carrot or a stick here for the maintainer of Photopea (I guess there's a very tiny carrot for losing you as a user in that you're not using their resources). I mean that as a genuine question, by the way:

    • What software that you use have you paid for and/or donated to?
    • Was it because you had to, or because you felt strongly that they deserved compensation for their work?
    • Did you ever at any point stop giving said software maintainer money when you felt they were no longer acting in a way that comports with your standards?
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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Are you financially supporting literally any developers at all?

    Yes, I've donated to the digikam project in the past, just to name one example. I also donated to Slackware when its creator was in financial trouble. And I am actively donating to the Fediverse instance that allows me to post this comment.

    You think you got me here, but you didn't.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I didn't "think I got you"; I was leading into something: what was it about Photopea prior to this that made them fundamentally different from Digikam, Slackware, and discuss.tchncs? I've donated to Lemmy too and various other FOSS projects, so I authentically appreciate that your donations strengthened that interconnected ecosystem.

    You clearly got plenty of use out of them, indicating how integral this apparently was to your workflow. You don't show any indication you had problems with the Photopea maintainer's actions or attitude before this. Was it the fact that Photopea isn't FOSS? I'd agree it's a huge difference, but at the same time, they're basically free as in beer, and you weren't just idly not paying them; you were actively, recurrently using their finite resources. Wouldn't you agree that, even if you don't want to give money to proprietary software (assuming again that's the reason), they at least deserve to break even? If so, you could've just whitelisted them on uBO. But I also resent digital advertising for ethical reasons and because it's a vector for malware, so I'd understand not wanting to turn off uBO and not wanting to give €5/month in compensation. But then it looks like, despite being plenty familiar with the FOSS ecosystem, you never gave it a fair shake. You just called GIMP icky and didn't do the bare minimum level of searching that'd tell you ImageMagick exists for batch edits. So you weren't willing to pay for the ad-free subscription (fair in isolation), you weren't willing to turn off ads (fair in isolation), and you weren't willing to try something else (fair in isolation), and thus you were just draining their money to your own ends (not fair).

    So realistically, it sounds like you were never going to support the Photopea maintainer regardless of what they did or how they acted, and now that they've cut you off from using their service for free, you're acting like this is some kind of principled stance rather than being a lazy, entitled cheapskate.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    Was it the fact that Photopea isn’t FOSS?

    That definitely plays into it, but the major point for me is that it's an alternative to Photoshop, which it literally tries to mimick as best as you can in a browser, down to the same keyboard shortcuts Photoshop uses.

    Most people here would probably agree that Adobe is a very greedy company. So when there's an alternative to their software that works fine for many years and then gets turned into a subscription model while the author actively fights uBlock, it just feels...wrong. It's just the same playbook, but with a slightly lower cost.

    I also think it's very hypocritical to accuse me of freeloading from Photopea, because that project uses other open-source libraries under the hood. Did anyone ask the developer if he financially supported the projects that he is profiting off? He doesn't even mention them on the website (or if he does, it's not easy to find), but you can see them when you deobfuscate the Javascript blob.

    If someone criticizes me for using this project ad-free, it's just as valid to criticize the developer for using open-source libraries in a closed-source project (as closed-source as a web-application can be).

    But to break it down to a simple point: I would've paid for the software if it cost 5€/month. That's 60€ per year, which is reasonable for an image manipulation tool that can run most of its features locally. But 96€/year is too much. I'm not moving away from Adobe to pay for another big subscription. Now that ship has sailed for me completely, after this whole uBlock fiasco.

    You just called GIMP icky and didn’t do the bare minimum level of searching that’d tell you ImageMagick exists for batch edits.

    I know about ImageMagick and as I've said in another comment, a commandline tool is not suitable for cropping different areas of multiple images, I need a visual representation. GIMP might have improved, you're right on that point. I haven't used it in a long time and I will try to see if it's better now (2.x was painful and anybody saying otherwise is simply delusional).

    lazy, entitled cheapskate

    Not sure why this was neccessary. You started out so eloquently and then your emotions got the best of you. I believe you can do better than the typical Reddit "discussion".

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I am not financially supporting developers who act like this.

    You were not financially supporting the developers before either. You admitted that you do frequent batch processing of many images on their infrastructure. If anything, losing you as a user is saving them money.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    You admitted that you do frequent batch processing of many images on their infrastructure.

    I'm not sure why you keep commenting this as a fact, when it's literally not true. As I've said in another thread, you can open up the site, disconnect your internet and process all of the images just fine. All of that code runs in your own browser.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    As I’ve said in another thread, you can open up the site, disconnect your internet and process all of the images just fine. All of that code runs in your own browser.

    Then disconnect your internet when ads load. Or save the page if "All of that code runs in your own browser."

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Or save the page if “All of that code runs in your own browser.”

    Sir, this is not how the internet works. I thought people on the Fediverse are a bit more technically-versed than the average population.

    When I disconnect my internet, I can still crop images, save them to my machine in various formats and use the tools in the left sidebar. Photopea does not use the developers' server to do these tasks, or otherwise I wouldn't be able to do them at all, when I go offline.

    That doesn't mean I can just save the whole website locally and run it as is. Mostly, because the developers' code contains references to online sources or might bug out in certain places if it's not run on the intended domain, etc.

    If I disassembled the obfuscated code and replaced those online references, I'm pretty sure the whole thing would just work. Not being able to save a website locally and just run it as is does not disprove my point that the application does not technically need a server to run. It's just that the developer coded it that way.

    It seems like you either cannot understand the technical aspects of what I'm saying or you believe you had a great "Got him!" moment when you said I was freeloading on the devs' machine and now you decided to stick with it. Either way, not worth any more of time.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sir, this is not how the internet works.

    Indeed it's not. That's why your claim that you can use Photopea without using their resources is BS.

    Photopea does not use the developers’ server to do these tasks

    Well, it uses the servers to do something and you refuse any compensation.

    If I disassembled the obfuscated code and replaced those online references, I’m pretty sure the whole thing would just work.

    Then do and host your own version.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    that is absolutely, 100% worth complaining about.

    So commercial-grade batch processing of images on other people's infrastructure and dodging any form of compensation is 100% worth complaining about? OK.

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    You can't just save the webpage as HTML and run it (which is what woelkchen doesn't seem to grasp, even though I tried to explain it to him in another thread). But technically, all of the image processing code for cropping, saving, painting on the image etc. runs locally.

    You can see that easily for yourself, just disconnect your internet after opening the site and it continues to work just fine.

    That's why all of the accusations that I'm freeloading and straining the developers' server from batch-processing images are unfunded.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    which is what woelkchen doesn’t seem to grasp

    *whoosh*

    I fully grasp it, I was just pointing out how insane your claim is that you don't use their server resources by making an equally insane counter point.

    That’s why all of the accusations that I’m freeloading and straining the developers’ server from batch-processing images are unfunded.

    Yes, exactly this insane claim.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    You claimed that I was uploading and batch-processing images on the developers' infrastructure. I tried to tell you it's not true, because all of those features still work without internet. Load photopea.com, disconnect your internet - tadaa, you can still "upload" images, crop them, save them, draw on them...

    I must be a magician if I can connect to the developers' machine without any connection at all. There is only one person in this thread who cannot understand how basic technology works. And it's not me.

    My point is: Why would I pay a subscription for that "service"? A service that barely uses any resources, except the ~1MB Javascript file and a few image assets that are delivered via the web? A web server hosting a few megabytes of data does not warrant 8€ per month per user. If people believe I am an entitled bitch for thinking that way, they can do so. But it will not change my opinion.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Bro why you being mad cringe try just suggesting things instead of being a dick

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I did suggest many things, from how to crop in Krita, using ImageMagick, that Gimp is fully capable of cropping (OP refused to use Gimp for that task because it's "shit" in his eyes), how to look up open source alternatives on GitHub (I found a bunch, including a python GUI application running locally), etc.

    OP made a many BS claims, by insisting that he needs batch processing but when suggesting to self host, he refuses this by saying that he's only cropping 5 images.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm envious of your energy if you're willing to spend it to set up a self hosted thing to batch process 5 images when there's an off the shelf solution that works just fine but has ads. Sometimes the job is big enough to be annoying to do it one way but not too big to be worth the trouble of setting up an entire GitHub repo locally.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I’m not the one getting nervous at looking at other alternatives.

    I am not nervous, I am mildly infuriated. There are other tools and I will learn them.

    Use the right tool for the job

    imagemagick certainly isn't the right tool for batch-cropping, unless the cropped area is always in the same place (I need a visual representation before cropping and a commandline tool doesn't cut it here). But thank you for at least trying to suggest an actual solution instead of patronizing me.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Gimp 3 is awesome now, and 100% free + no ads. Just sayin

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think you're taking heat a little bit unfairly. This is, after all, the MILDLY infuriating community, and it can be a hassle when something stops working for you, even if it's perfectly reasonable for it to happen.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 1 year ago

    I think you’re taking heat a little bit unfairly.

    Most of it seems to come from one user who seems to hate me in particular. :D But it's fun to start a controversial topic once in a while. At least I'm not getting banned for having a different opinion (which would've definitely happened on Reddit).

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    What do you mean "now"? Photopea has always been very aggresive towards adblocks.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Works fine for me, Firefox and Ublock Origin, DNS by PiHole. I think there's something on your machine causing this.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I’ve always ignored Photopea because it’s completely proprietary and the pricing is predatory. I don’t approve of those models, the same reason I won’t touch Adobe.

    I wish Affinity would just release linux versions, but I expect those to get worse now that they are owned by Serif.

    I think your best bet is to buckle down, swallow your pride, and learn Gimp. Yeah, it’s a dumpster fire if you come from a Photoshop background because it isn’t trying to copy Photoshop, it wants to be its own thing. But even though it seems counterintuitive due to your years of existing programming, it is quite powerful.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Krita in Linux has been amazing. I've never used Affinity, and I'm far from a pro... But I can do most of what I used to do in Photoshop in Krita fairly naturally. It's way easier to transition to than GIMP ever was.

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  • are you sure it's not a specific ublock filter or something? i accessed it in librewolf with the default ublock origin settings and it looked fine.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Guess I won’t be using photopea anymore

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  • [–] [S] 32 points 1 year ago* (31 children)

    I am totally supporting developers wanting to make money with their product.

    But the developer of Photopea has basically built a product for people who want to get rid of Adobe's stupid subscription model and now he tries to force them to pay for his own subscription by breaking the application. That really doesn't sit right with me.

    Why would I need to pay 8€/month for image editing features that run in my browser?

    It also doesn't help that he went on Github and complained to the developers of uBlock Origin, replying with troll answers like "How can I help you?" but not wanting to accept any other answer than them allowing him to serve ads.

    This guy can get rekt, in my humble opinion. I did like the product before this change, though. Does anyone know of similar image editors out there that can batch-crop images in a certain aspect ratio/resolution and then export them to webp? (GIMP is terrible, sorry 🥹)

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  • [+] 29 points 1 year ago (9 children)
  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    That's true, I was working with Photoshop for many years and it's hard to unlearn that.
    Maybe I'll give it another chance.

    What's mildly infuriating is that Photopea makes this so easy and now I need to adjust my workflow again. Why do so many devs out there need to enshittify their product after a few years? :(

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There's also plugins to bring a photoshop-esque UI to GIMP if that will help with your muscle memory.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh, that's nice! I still remember Gimpshop but it's been dead for years. But I see now that there's at least PhotoGIMP, that'll really help me out.

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Then they should sell the product for a one-time fee, not a fucking subscription.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    I don't really understand why you're using ad-supported proprietary software that you've never paid a dime for (or given a dime to, since you use uBO), claiming that you don't use GIMP or Krita instead because the former "is terrible" and the latter isn't meant for cropping (a trivial, fundamental feature of the software), and then acting entitled to use the Photopea author's own personal work with zero compensation. So you have free alternatives (as in beer and as in freedom), refuse to do even the bare minimum to learn how to use them, and then go full "you took my only food; now I'm gonna starve" when Photopea's author stops you from using their own site/web app for free that they run and maintain at their own expense.

    If anything, you seem entitled and willfully ignorant, and I say that from the perspective of someone who resents digital advertising and proprietary software.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    then acting entitled to use the Photopea author’s own personal work with zero compensation.

    Running batch tasks on the Photopea author’s own infrastructure because Photopea is a website. Lichtmetzger wrote in a reply that he's not using Photopea to edit a photo once in a while and now he's bummed out (I would kinda understand that) but that he's actually processing a big number of images on someone else's resources.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The images get processed in your own browser. The only infrastructure I'm using is the bit of Javascript and HTML I am loading when accessing the site, the rest is handled by my own machine.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    The only infrastructure I’m using is the bit of Javascript and HTML

    If Photopea was so simple, you could just download the necessary parts and self-host.

    This won't work because there is actual server-side code running, meaning you're hogging someone else's resources to do your commercial-grade tasks.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The image processing happens locally in the web browser.

    Not to imply that hosting the static assets to power that (JS and WebAssembly binaries) is free, but it's definitely much cheaper than the compute resources that would be required to do the heavy lifting server-side.

    (Still worth paying for or allowing ads though. Photopea clearly took a lot of work to build)

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    This won’t work because there is actual server-side code running

    That is not true! You can figure that out for yourself - open up the site, disconnect your internet and resize/crop some images. It will do it just fine, because all of that code runs in your own browser.

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    If anything, you seem entitled and willfully ignorant

    I understand why people might think that. As I've said in another comment, it's the attitude of the developer that mildly infuriates me. I am not against paying money for a good product and I would've even paid the subscription, if 1. it wasn't so high (96€/year for a tool processing images in your own browser) and 2. he wasn't such a dick on Github to people.

    I know developers need to put food on the table, but then they should at least be honest about that. Going into the uBlock Github and trolling people there while claiming you “always supported ad blockers” isn’t the right way and I am not financially supporting developers who act like this.

    Also, some people don't seem to grasp that I'm not actually processing images for free on the developers' infrastructure. The image processing is done via Javascript on my own machine. So all I'm doing is loading the website initially, it's not like I'm taking money out of the devs' pocket by blocking his ads. Added to that, the site worked fine for many years, why do you need to put an aggressive Adblock detection in now? It's a cat and mouse game against uBlock and he must know he will never win this game.

    Of course, it's his own tool and he can do whatever he wants with it, but it's still shitty to do it.

    After all, you're right, I've decided to give tools like GIMP another chance. The problem for me is that I used Photoshop for many years (that's what I learned when I was attending art school, blame the system) and moving away to another tool like GIMP is a lot of work, because it works very differently. I learned there are plugins for easing the transition and I'll find another tool.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I’m confused what your issue is with the dev. He seems to have posted because uBO was breaking the site for premium users and then got told “just stop monetizing effectively.” Only one reply (don’t use such an obnoxious way to insert the ad sidebar) was actually helpful, though it was at odds with part of his monetization strategy (pay for Premium to get that extra space).

    If uBO devs had said “Sure, give this account premium access and we’ll check it out” and he’d refused, that would be different, but instead they said there was nothing he could do to help them and banned him from participating.

    It also doesn’t seem that he’s intentionally breaking the app when uBO is in use. Rather, uBO breaks the app when ads aren’t being served and he is now detecting when this happens and serving a message about the fact.

    Does anyone know of similar image editors out there that can batch-crop images in a certain aspect ratio/resolution and then export them to webp?

    Not similar, but Image Magick can crop images from the cli and has webp support.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It also doesn’t seem that he’s intentionally breaking the app when uBO is in use. Rather, uBO breaks the app when ads aren’t being served and he is now detecting when this happens and serving a message about the fact.

    I have a bridge to sell you.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    GIMP is terrible, sorry

    Its actually not, but if you really hate the interface then try photogimp

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Believe me, the interface isn't the problem with GIMP, and there are definitely problems.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    there are definitely problems.

    Of course there are but the claim was that Lichtmetzger only needs to crop a bunch of images and Gimp is 100% capable of that and I say that as someone who can't stand Gimp any longer and moved to Krita and others.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Alright, yeah, that's fair, as long as those images don't have alpha components at least.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    as long as those images don’t have alpha components

    You dont think GIMP can handle transparent backgrounds in a PNG?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I know it can't, I had to remove it from my toolkit because it can't. It's something to do with the colorspace added in 2.10. Now, when you export an image with an alpha channel, every other piece of software sees that alpha channel with much higher contrast. There's been a bug on the tracker for years, but the devs seem split between completely not understanding the issue and claiming it's intended behavior.

    I've noticed something that isn't mentioned in the issue that pretty much proves it isn't intended, however. If you export a PNG with an alpha channel, then immediately reimport it to GIMP, the alpha channel will have the correct contrast, but will be completely crunched. Lost information. No way in hell destroying the alpha channel entirely is intended.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    and there are definitely problems

    Yeah and there are problems with all software, but the real issue with GIMP is people dont want to learn how to use it. I took the time, I changed the hotkeys, I tweaked the settings, now GIMP is my mainstay pixel pusher

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He's not forcing you into a subscription model, he wants you to either allow ads or go to a subscription model.

    You don't need to pay 8 Euro a month, you just need to allow the ads.

    It's not broken to prevent ad blockers, we all got used to a system that wasn't sustainable, and now we're seeing what is actually required for sites and apps to survive.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I wouldn't mind paying a few cents, but 8€ is way more than what he could possibly get out of the ads.

    I wish a system like Flattr or even BAT could take off. Paying a few dollars a month to not get ads anywhere in a sustainable way seems like the way to go.

    (Note: I seem to remember shady stuff about the BAT token but I do not know the details. Don't incendiate me on that).

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Oh damn, I just used it a couple of days ago. I’ll check later this week if I am still able to use it with uBO.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    So many douchebags in this thread.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    "Something is breaking Photopea" ??? Yeah it's yourselves.

    Not sure if this lie is allowed under the EU DSA law.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hol up Photopea's nonfree software?!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Never heard of it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I never even understood why he made it purely a web app.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Brave + ublock origin + pihole. No issues whatsoever loading/using photopea.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The comma in "please, turn them off" is infuratiating in ways I cant even articulate

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's 100% grammatically correct, for what it's worth. If it helps, swap the two comma-separated components: "Turn them off, please."

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