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[–] 59 points 1 year ago (14 children)

As a sysadmin that's pretty much my worst nightmare. I really feel for those trying to pick the pieces back up again after that.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I feel your pain, but meanwhile I'm laughing. No backups, no fire suppression system, what the fuck are these clowns doing.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Suppressing evidence? Looks like this was a deliberate oversight to later erase data.

    Probably data retention safety was overruled earlier by one person.

    So, I think the designed erase worked as designed .

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Pretty big conspiracy theory for a situation where incompetence doesn't seem out of the ordinary.

    SysAdmins saying "We need X, we need Y", someone who signs the cheques saying "But it works fine! Why would there be a fire? We already spent so much on those UPSs"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don’t know a lot at this time. The cool thing is this will be discussed for years , and any who follow this will know a lot more.

    I’m just saying if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck it may not be a squirrel

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What you described isn't "looks like a duck, quacks like a duck".

    This is a fire in a government (publicly-funded) location in an industry that's often overlooked and underfunded... in a traditionally conservative country (with a Liberal leader for the last few months) that is part of a very top-down hierarchical structure. Which would suggest that the complaints of a systems administrator are likely to be ignored. And that's assuming that the systems administrator is competent, which isn't a guarantee in and of itself.

    I'm seeing what looks like a duck, I'm hearing the quacks. The conspiracy theory is that it's a squirrel in a duck costume that learned how to quack so people would toss it bread.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Here we have a glass of water, it’s half full.

    Did someone forget to fill it up, or did someone drink it.

    Is it institutional incompetence or criminal conspiracy?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Hanlon's razor mate. I know it's entirely possible that it's a conspiracy, but it'd entirely possible (and more likely) that it's just incompetence and lack of communication due to inefficient and lackluster processes as well as too many levels of leadership.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You know for a fact that the people doing the largest share of the recovery effort have nothing to do with the decision to have no backups.

    ...but with the way social/work hierarchies work in SK, it was probably never brought up.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You know for a fact that the people doing the largest share of the recovery effort have nothing to do with the decision to have no backups.

    Exactly. How they got there is no consolation to those dealing with it now.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wow. this is one of the biggest instances of IT incompetence that I've heard of in recent years. Hosting a server farm without remote backups? Sound like the London Magnetic Tape Incident.

    The LMTI: One employee was sent to the other end of London with the magnetic backup tapes every day. He got money to take a taxi, but saved it and took the tube. His favourite seat was right above one of the motors, where he sat the bag with the tapes on the floor for the journey. The tapes were just stored at the destination, and not checked in any way. Guess what they learned the first time they had to rely on those tapes?

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago

    Hmm a system that stored government documents caught fire and they have no backups? Hmm, this carries the same energy of registry offices catching fire "spontaneously" in the past.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Always have two backups in different places than the original. If not, the least you can do is have one backup copy. How does the government don't have such thing?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Government people get jobs by schmoozing and making deals, not by merit or skill.

    Pournelle's Law always seems relevant.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I have one backup but keep legacy things so that in a massive disaster I still have archives that have some of my important long term type documents. So figure one up to date backup and in a disaster I have stuff from last year.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Perhaps contained evidence against the former PM who tried to do a military coup and this is the way of getting rid of it? Perhaps protecting co-conspirators if not the top guy.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    At least they saved the Internet box. Otherwise, we'll have to bother the elders of the Internet again.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Yeah who needs proper DR. it's not like disasters ever happen.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is a clear example where 'the cloud' really is a physical place.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What else would it be? What do people think the cloud is?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    For a long while, I had hoped it was at least 6 physical places, with various redundancies. A few billion small-ish servers at internet network hubs.

    That or the magical floating bits that go over hackers heads in the movies. Those also look like the cloud. Not very secure, but quite convenient.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Disaster Recovery Concepts:

    • Recovery time objective (RTO): maximum time to restore system function.
    • Recovery point objective (RPO): maximum age of data needed to resume operations.
    • Recovery consistency objective (RCO): how many inconsistent entries are allowed in recovered data.
    • Sierra Madre objective (SMO): We don't need no stinkin' backups.
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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Even though they historically used to have a great backup system for their historians and government records.

    see link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veritable_Records_of_the_Joseon_Dynasty

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Weird how there is a rising MAGA party in KR and an aligned former pm who attempted a coup. What a weird coincidence.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Always backup!!! From the fire, I mean, place your safety first

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    saw a sticker recently that said "there is no cloud, just other people's computers"

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  • It's too bad it wasn't a rain cloud or it would have destroyed the fire and not the other way around

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Kein Backup, kein Mitleid!

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Great talk that touches on this from CCC

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dMzlw-qSZI

    TLDR it was to destroy evidence the day before a government investigation.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    So this is the "maintenance" the gov services are currently having.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You do know that there's two korean countries, right?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    What are you talking about? There's one Korea and half of it is occupied by an imperialist army.

    Am I on .world? Why are people downvoting objective reality?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oh, so they share their passport, their borders, their economy and so forth? Do you also believe that all countries that speak English, is the UK? or US?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You can accept or reject the claim that South Korea is an imperialist outpost of the US. I don't care about that right now.

    But you do know that nothing in OPs comment implies that the two korea's share passports or anything like that, right? Like, come on, these are basic reading comprehension skills.

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    [–] 52 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    However, due to the system’s large-capacity, low-performance storage structure, no external backups were maintained — meaning all data has been permanently lost.

    Why were there no backups? "Because there was a lot of data" isn't really an answer.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The G-Drive has been in use since 2018, requiring government officials to store all work documents in the cloud instead of on personal computers.

    It is currently working to recover alternative data using any files saved locally on personal computers within the past month, along with emails, official documents and printed records.

    Imagine being the employee who voilated work policy and saved stuff locally.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sucks for most users, but i bet there's at least one person who is like "holy fuck I'm saved!" Because now he can blame the server destruction for why he doesn't have that big project done tomorrow

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Trying to save the prior impeached president's ass.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's gonna be an expensive lesson about the 3-2-1 strategy...

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Damn isn't it a shame we lost the election results? Damn shame anyways the ballots from my district are fine.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Was it too expensive to have a backup in Busan?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I find this hard to believe honestly. how can so many people involved in the administration of this system not have some offsite backups.

    dunno about this segment of the korean gov, but it just... seems implausible.

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They really had only 1 location?? Really???

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Why would you need a backup, it's in the cloud!

    /s

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    They should have adhered to 3-2-1

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago
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    due to the system’s large-capacity, low-performance storage structure, no external backups were maintained

    Oh man, thats terrifying. Critical systems running without a backup

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    The G-Drive has been in use since 2018, requiring government officials to store all work documents in the cloud instead of on personal computers

    However, due to the system’s large-capacity, low-performance storage structure, no external backups were maintained

    I'm equal parts exasperated and unsurprised because "automatic backups" were 100% part of the sales pitch to move everything to the cloud

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is actually kinda crazy. It just goes to show how a lot of infrastructure we take for granted is a lot more fragile than one would believe. Kinda concerning. At least this isn't technically critical infrastructure, I guess?

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