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[–] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nope. This was a rumor and the article title is misleading. Valve blocked NSFW updates of games that were originally labeled as SFW and then the dev tried to update with NSFW game elements.

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  • [–] 124 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Goddamn Christians (hah) fucking up everyone's shit.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (17 children)
  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

    Lol, yeah right.....

    As if Islam or Judaism wouldn't be just as bad or worse if it was in the majority in the Western world.

    The Middle East, the last bastion of the free world /s.

    Religion and forcing it upon others is the real problem here. Regardless of what religion it is.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah, the fundamental issue here too, ultimately, condenses down to tolerance and acceptance. Of other faiths, of other customs, of foreign ways to present or identify, of anything your faith or culture might not allow or actively do.

    Just being able to accept or at the very least tolerate others, as they are, without trying to turn them, or, kill them if they won’t turn…

    I can’t figure out why this is so hard for us humans, the majority of us at least, when it seems so… easy? Unless the difference is offensive to you, which, again, is just intolerance of difference. Just let them be and be your best self yourself. I can understand having a few words to try and sway them to be saved according to your faith or whatever, but failing that, just live your best life and I don’t know… maybe pray for them on your own or something if you’re truly worried about their soul or something. But dont go bothering them with that shit if they aren’t receptive. It seems so simple?

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago* (14 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Evil has no birthplace, it has always existed in all people. Evil was there long before 'The West' or 'Middle East' were things. Religions don't cause evil or intolerance, but some religions can be easily used to justify stoning gay people to death, or killing women for daring to be independant. If the bible didn't command that gay people be murdered, or if Islam didn't command that apostates be slain, it would be much harder to justify these evil acts. This isn't a problem of religion, it's a problem of cultures that take their religion too seriously.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    The Middle East was one of the most progressive places in the world. Islam is still the most tolerant religion

    Either you're trolling, or have never studied history of Islam, it's birth and spread. Or were taught those by your local priest.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Don't bother, its going to be a wasted breathe.

    This is clearly either a troll, a kid or just an ignorant fuck that can't be bothered to do the most basic readings of history.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Great discourse, you sure have shown that you have a complete understanding of what you're saying with that comment.

    How are you going to blame the west when Islam and Middle Eastern religions have been around FAR longer than any country in the west has existed. They've always had extreme positions and practices in comparison to what we deem socially acceptable now.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Islam and Middle Eastern religions have been around FAR longer than any country in the west has existed.

    I want to say no, because there are sheds in Scotland (~100 BC) older than Islam (~600 AD), and 600 AD in Europe we had shitton of Kingdoms etc, but maybe I didn't understand your point? Could you explain what did you mean?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Scotland wasn't a thing in 600AD 100BC (Misread) even if that shed existed. All I meant was that the religions predate what is now considered western countries. It was to show blaming the western world makes absolutely no sense.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    We need a FOSS & decentralized alternative to steam.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    This pressure is coming from the payment providers without whom no storefront can operate. We need alternatives to Visa and Mastercard.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    This is literally the kind of thing crypto was invented for, but the useful idiots on the internet are too stupid to see the value of it.

    Good job being morons. You are all being herded like sheep.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    I honestly don't understand how to “do” crypto. Here’s my brain’s interpretation and questions. You will probably see why I, and many others, don’t use it or dabble in it:

    It’s got to be mined to obtain (power hog and time)

    You can buy it but it is traded like stock which may inflate it to be more expensive to obtain

    Who really owns or has responsibility over what you purchase when it comes to the cryptocurrency?

    Where is it “stored” (locally, on a cloud somewhere)?

    What coin type do you choose and how do you know it’s safe?

    Do you just make your own coin and use a program that does everything needed to package it as “money”?

    How does someone verify that you actually have the money behind the coin(s)?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago*

    We need a...decentralized alternative to steam.

    Customer protections would suuuuuuuck if everyone was running different variations of, what is essentially, a store. Not to mention shovelware would be even more rampant.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Seems like a weekend hack to set up a fediverse-backed categorized market that, when you want to buy something- forwards to a "buy our download" link of the seller's choice. Rabid moralists would have to challenge each producer/indie developer individually to take things down.

    The real crux is to build a nice user interface on top of it so people would actually use it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (12 children)

    Ok... GoG it is. Fuck these shills

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  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    In the Reddit thread about the rejected NSFW updates, Crimson Delight have only good things to say about Valve's handling of the situation. "I have to say the reviewer was kind and forthcoming, we didn't feel threatened or bullied in any way, and we got the feeling they were trying to do their best to help devs navigate the process," developer Frenzin writes. "But the fact of the matter is that Valve has payment processors breathing down their neck, and the rules keep getting stricter as time goes on."

    "Valve isn't the problem here," Frenzin continues. "The big credit card companies are. If anything, Valve has stood up to them and pushed back. They could've simply nuked the 18+ section of Steam, but they didn't, they stuck up for developers. Obviously adult games make Valve money, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of Steam's catalogue. Silksong itself probably earned Valve more than most NSFW titles put together.

    "Given that we're erogame devs, we're against any sort of censorship (as long as the content isn't sexualizing minors or nonconsensual in any way)," the developer comments. "But it's important to understand where the real problem lies, and it's not with Valve."

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We need Digital Euro yesterday.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We dont; we need USA pay processors alternatives, and of those in EU we have plenty (but I don't know your specific country, so maybe not in your country).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    There are some (many is really a stretch) but not available in many countries nor supported by many merchants.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I wouldn't really know, I live in Poland and whenever I go West I'm surprised how backward technologically it is (France, Spain, Italy, Switzerland; only Portugal seems to be modern).

    Maybe not backward but lacking internet-related improvements, like being able to take care of government thingies online (I think Denmark is the best in that regard), pay using your national pay processors, get cheap internet, update your opening hours online, not take a 4h break midday... you know, common conveniences

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  • [+] -51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    Valve, the only corporate that one is supposed to bootlick. And ironically it's a storefront for closed source software.

    A server full of little twats lol!

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    GoG is also a Storefront for closed source software, genius. Do you think the software on GoG is open source? Lmao

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    from the article:

    Crimson Delight have only good things to say about Valve's handling of the situation. "I have to say the reviewer was kind and forthcoming, we didn't feel threatened or bullied in any way, and we got the feeling they were trying to do their best to help devs navigate the process," developer Frenzin writes. "But the fact of the matter is that Valve has payment processors breathing down their neck, and the rules keep getting stricter as time goes on."

    you're blaming the wrong people. nobody is bootlicking.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Since the issue is with payment processors, we need to switch to crypto to avoid the censorship and abuse of power from banks.

    Anyone who doesn't understand this is a complete moron, but they are average so average people won't see it.

    Popularity == intelligence

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    this kind of mentality solves nothing. blaming people who don't know an alternative or who don't understand crypto is not going to solve this problem. nor is crypto a perfect solution by any means.

    you're suggesting a band-aid solution and shaking your fist at "normies". quite ironic.

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    If they really wanted to comply, they could find a workaround. This Visa excuse is kind of lame. Enable visa payments to purchase steam points (in exact amounts), that can then be used to buy a game for example, and work around it.

    It's not like this really affects my life, as I'm not a horny teenager or old man buying these games, but it's the point here that matters. Letting a payment processor dictate content is insane.

    Maybe it's time to go back to a pre-platform PC world?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That wouldn't work. Visa and the others don't care what exactly someone buys on Steam. They're saying that Valve can't sell certain things on their store, or they will stop processing payments that go to Steam. Doesn't matter if you pay for "points" or games directly.

    The only way to get around that would be to remove the option to pay with Visa, etc. from Steam entirely and only accept other forms of payment. This would include physical Steam gift cards that could then be bought with any payment option, but only as long as Visa, etc. don't start threatening stores that sell those.

    Also, to your last suggestion: I don't see how that would help. Publishers and developers need to make money somehow and if that involves Visa, etc. at all we're back to square one.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    At some point even visa is going to back off though. I wonder how much money goes through Steam? Maybe if them and some other orgs band together and say fine, we won't accept Visa or MasterCard at all then, there's going to be some hell to pay. This can go both ways. Lots of third parties would be caught in the crossfire too, like order payment processors.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah, a mass exodus of an entire industry is more or less the only thing could work. Other than regulation from the government, but in the past the USA hasn't really been keen on regulating their precious "free" market.

    As to how much money goes through Steam, consider this: Where I live, most banks only give out Visa cards for free, with alternatives technically available but costing money. So, if you have a bank account in my home country and use a card to pay, it goes through Visa. I'm fairly certain that we aren't the only country where this is the case. This poses the question: Does enough money flow through Steam for it to even be noticable compared to multiple countries worth of purchases? Maybe? Probably not though. But should enough companies simultaneously decide to stop using them, it'd at least give competitors a chance to take over.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This issue hasn't affected me yet. But I worry that it could affect us if these payment processors keep escalating. Like sure, right now, it's NSFW. But then it'll be anything they want. LGBT+ content? Too much violence? Critical of religion? They'll just keep going

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Whelp, gog still allows buying such games, take your business there instead.

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    [–] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    This is an old article BTW, and it's apparently not really true? Or at least different than what the article makes it seem.

    https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2343900/view/539991294395549714?l=english

    Rumors are not facts

    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    I'm sure you've all heard the rumors that Steam doesn't allow NSFW games to release free updates, only paid DLCs.

    This is simply not true.

    Since our game's release, we've rolled out numerous free updates, with the latest major content update dropping just three days ago.

    Steam hasn't officially changed its policies, and there's no rule in the Terms of Service supporting this claim.

    These rumors stem from a handful of vague NSFW game developer announcements with no solid backing.

    We will continue to release free updates in the future.

    Have a great day!

    (I can't view the link myself, because of a regional block, so I'm trusting another comment, that the quote I copied is correct.)

    The article talks about games that are marked adult-only with warnings, but apparently the problem is only with games that don't have any NSFW content yet, so they are technically SFW, and they want to add it through updates or patches. Games that already have NSFW content will be able to receive patches as normal, and add more.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    19th of September 2025, seem fresh enough to me, and the game isn't the same. Maybe they once again changed their policy.

    But the fact that it wasn't NSFW at first may have worked in their defavor, that's true.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Two weeks is ancient, when it comes to stuff like this, in my opinion.

    The thing is, the article doesn't make it clear, that this is about technically SFW games, that add NSFW content later down the line.

    I don't know if that's a new policy because of the recent issues or if it was always a policy, just not enforced.

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