Why wouldn't we let them in too drain the Chinese economy then. We would "win" in the short term by getting vehicles with fewer emissions while siphoning money out of the Chinese economy. Later when they could no longer afford to offer the vehicles at such a low price another company would step in with a superior product. At least that's what I've been taught about how capitalism works. Was that all a lie?

China subsidizes heavily because they want to be the only relevant player in the global EV market. These cars would cost closer to their non-Chinese counterparts if China wasn’t doing this.

In global economics, this is considered unfair, and is usually retaliated against via tariffs.

To be fair, everyone should subsidize their production. That makes products cheaper for everyone and life better for everyone.

The way i see it, the fact that this is considered unfair is the problem. We should be doing the same thing instead of bashing against that.

We could subsidize our production for example by giving people cheaper housing, so they can afford to earn less in their jobs which makes labor cheaper and therefore companies more competitive.

The west: throws billions of tax payers money for decades at auto industry

stimulating the economy

China: tries to do the same

unfair capitalism!!!!!!

If it makes Yankees feel better, they should just mentally add a "TM" mark next to "China" when talks about subsidies arise.

BTW the Dacia spring is priced similarly to the Chinese models. Maybe it's not simply China bad, maybe it's the western manufacturers who lost their dominion.

It's a complex subject, right? From a consumer's perspective, you could have a cheaper car, but your government won't let you (by putting tariffs on them, or just straightout banning them) because China is not playing fair. As a consumer you are paying a price because of your ideology. I don't know if everyone will want to do that.

And on the other hand, from the Chinese government's perspective, they aren't going to care if you think they are fair, as long as things are working out for them. If subsidizing means better product and/or markat dominance, why won't they keep doing that? There are markets that are more ideologically aligned with them willing to take their products.

Same is true of almost everything you own, large groups of people stuck in poverty isn't an accident, it's on purpose and it's everywhere in this world sadly

You're peddling talking points that exist to ensure you can't a better deal due to lack of competition and artificially inflated prices.

Have you ever had a banana? Guess why they're so cheap. We still get access to them and useful idiots like you don't complain because the banana market doesn't threaten the wealth of people richer than you can comprehend.

This is the problem, right here folks. Think tanks have been working overtime to make sure people like /u/whatamlemmy can feel justified in being cut off from more competitive markets.

so that's acceptable with, (checks notes), every other Chinese made product sold in NA and Europe but not EVs... no sir, we car aboot those EV workers a lot

Did you know that the US has the highest percentage of people locked up in prison worldwide?

Did you know that the US still uses forced labor for a lot of production, including and especially agricultural production?

Where is the bashing of American products? Where is the proportionality in the discussion?

Hope you gain the ability to charge for those 48 hours, seems like it would open your options

That’s a shame. Never had any of their household appliances so I wouldn’t know. I’m mostly thinking about power tools, auto parts, and like those laser distance things.

That itself is more of a symptom than the root cause.

Bosch doesn't build cars though, they make parts, specifically a lot of parts for combustion engines such as engine control units. I'm sure you'll find their parts in a lot more than just german cars. So this is about cars with combustion engines, not about german cars.