As above question.

Are they counted as 'digitally excluded' and how fucked are the actually digitally excluded residents?

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[–] 29 points 1 year ago (10 children)

What can I say? German ID app just works on GrapheneOS 🤷

(Although my shitty health insurance company thinks it's not 'secure enough'...)

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    In Australia you can't access any government services via "myGov" or "Medicare" on graphene.. But the face scanning "myID" verification app works which is the highest accepted level of ID verification by digital govt services... How ridiculous

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    German here: There's an ID app??? Seriously, I never heard of that.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I get a similar thing with my Barclaycard app. It sulks and won't run with my FOSS keyboard active.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ya. My benefits app warns me to use google's stock keyboard because my FOSS keyboard may be spying on me.

    Boneheaded org has got it backwards!

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    You have to give a US corporation your details (Google or Apple) to live and work in the UK.

    Think about that for a second.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I'm just going to buy a dumb phone and tell them to send it to me in the post, like they do in every other place on the planet.

    This is already shaping up to be a cack handed implementation that will solve sweet fuck all. They may a well not bother.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Can you elaborate on this and/or give a link?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Well, if you go to the app store, to install the app, you'll need either a Google, or apple account. As a normal, non tech warrior civilian.

    In doing so, I will have to interact with a US corporation to get my ID on my phone.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I get that part. What about it being required to work or find housing?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't worry about feeling slow - I too just got what they meant. The Digital ID, which will have to be voluntarily installed via Google or Apple, will be a mandatory requirement in order to work.

    Employers already have to verify employee information with the UK government in order to make sure the government will comply with the whole chain-link process of labour and wages. This is supposed, in addition to eliminating "illegal immigrants", to streamline that verification.

    I haven't witnessed it but given the nationalism Britain is famous for I'm sure that the UK government has also placed some ID verification barrier to filter out all the 'dirty illegals' trying to legally acquire a home.

    After all, the government already monetises every aspect of every single resident's existence. They simply must know who lives where, as the government claims ownership of all land and all properties; buying a home is just renting from them.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    So what you mean is that the comment is wild conspiracy speculation. Gotchya.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah, just like you don't need an active phone number to get 99% of jobs, rent 99% of houses, or open 99% of bank accounts.

    A phone number being a mandatory requirement to exist in the 21st century would be a really ludicrous conspiracy theory.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There are always options beyond digital ID where I live. I am minimally inconvenienced for not using it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My phone is 14 years old, so no modern apps (especially the ones needing extra security) work there. In Ireland, we don't have a digital ID card, but there have been some equivalents:

    • During Covid, we had a digital vaccination pass. However, it was possible to request a paper version, which was supposed to be accepted everywhere (it wasn't).
    • Due to 2FA, many companies require a phone authenticator. Those companies that provide legally mandated products or services are required to provide an alternative to people without smartphones. For example, when I needed to renew my car insurance and couldn't do it online, the company had a phone number for over the phone renewal.
    • There's currently a fight whether one of our airlines can mandate app-only boarding passes, effectively excluding people without modern phones. Since they don't provide essential service that's mandated by law, they argue they should be able to do so.
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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My phone is 14 years old

    Incredible work tbh. Mind me asking what phone that is?

    I got 5 years out of my last one and 3 so far on current one and feel like I'm doing well with 8 years from two phones.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Samsung Galaxy S2. I've been always using it only for calling, texting, checking the weather in the morning, and automatic sync with my watch after a run (and perhaps with some light Internet browsing), so combined with a phone case, the phone has seen very little outside world, which limited any potential damage. I did have to replace the battery twice, though.

    Now that my Canon Powershot died, though, I'm still considering whether to upgrade to a phone with good optics or get a new camera. They are roughly the same price.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    S2 was a great phone in fairness. If you do upgrade the phone you'll be shocked at how far screens have come in that time. Cameras too but more on the mid range and higher phones. Cheaper ones are still taking mid pictures.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Norwegian BankID can only be installed via the app store, but it still works if you use the Aurora store and G.Micro.

    Though I'd like to advocate publishing the app through an F-Droid repo.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    What an uncritical, fluff article. Thanks for posting and asking questions OP. Government control and security concerns are both essential parts of this conversation, utterly overlooked by the article.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    France: never used that digital thing.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    it's country dependent. here there's multiple digital id providers with different criteria. there's one owned by the largest isp, one owned cooperatively by all the banks, and one owned by the state which very few people use. the bank one is the most popular, and it used to work fine on custom roms. i think that support got worse once they started adding more hardware-backed security.

    i don't have the mental energy to fight it at this point, but if i did i'd try to run the state-backed one on sailfish just to see what happens.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Japan apparently has the same problem. It definitely has that probably using a phone to scan the id card to use various services (which is why I run stock android, mostly, with transit passed and banking being the other reasons).

    I say apparently because I have zero interest in having the id on my phone itself.

    Rooting apparently makes FELICA not work which is super inconvenient in Japan.

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  • If the security implementation relies on device not being compromised it is not secure at all

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    The current German "Ausweisapp" also works on GrapheneOS.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Swedish BankID and most banking apps work on grapheneos and lineageos. The only exception I know of is Revolut that just refuses to work on grapheneos.

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