Slavery never left it just got rebranded.

The Thirteenth Amendment needs to be amended.

Per Wikipedia: The Thirteenth Amendment (Amendment XIII) to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime. The amendment was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864, by the House of Representatives on January 31, 1865, and ratified by the required 27 of the then 36 states on December 6, 1865, and proclaimed on December 18, 1865. It was the first of the three Reconstruction Amendments adopted following the American Civil War.

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[–] 132 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Willie Ingram picked everything from cotton to okra during his 51 years in the state penitentiary, better known as Angola.

During his time in the fields, he was overseen by armed guards on horseback and recalled seeing men, working with little or no water, passing out in triple-digit heat. Some days, he said, workers would throw their tools in the air to protest, despite knowing the potential consequences.

“They’d come, maybe four in the truck, shields over their face, billy clubs, and they’d beat you right there in the field. They beat you, handcuff you and beat you again,” said Ingram, who received a life sentence after pleading guilty to a crime he said he didn’t commit. He was told he would serve 10 ½ years and avoid a possible death penalty, but it wasn’t until 2021 that a sympathetic judge finally released him. He was 73.

This is horrifying in all regards

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    It's basically slavery. I'm willing to bet that most of these people working were black too.

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    It was horrible to do to people that you claim to be 'rehabilitating'. Now it's going to be done to whatever marginalized group is next in the list, and provided no actual challenge or resistance, that list will grow to include people in trade unions, educated professionals, entertainers, free thinkers, any type of dissenter, oh and they've already dog whistled their plan to 'punish' people who donated to the Harris campaign.

    Meanwhile the Trump administration is dismantling agencies that track and fight child/human trafficking. It's not by coincidence. The goal is that we all are essentially assets of the federal government that can be bought, sold, and/or stripped of citizenship if it becomes useful to the regime.

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  • He was told he would serve 10 ½ years and avoid a possible death penalty, but it wasn’t until 2021 that a sympathetic judge finally released him. He was 73.

    note: he was released because he wasn't usable as a prison laborer anymore. he was released because the prison couldn't make money off him anymore. he was released so he has to look for his own shelter.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Willie Ingram picked everything from cotton to okra during his 51 years in the state penitentiary, better known as Angola.

    Fake news, this country only got fucked after Trump got elected or bush or reagan. It was all sunshine and peaches otherwise.

    gReAtEsT cOuNtRtY iN tHe wOrLd

    -most yankistanis

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Once a nation built on slavery, always a nation built on slavery.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago

    Yeah. 13th ammendment. Slavery never ended.

    "Except as punishment for a crime"

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  • [–] 179 points 1 year ago* (43 children)

    According to the article, some of the companies who sell products that are made with slave labor include:

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  • [–] 144 points 1 year ago (31 children)

    Guess I won't be eating food any more

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I'm gonna need something a bit more specific than Costco, Sam's Club, Kroger, Walmart, and Target. Are you saying ALL products in those stores are from slave labor? Most? Some? A few obscure items?

    I don't really have any other options for groceries where I live.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Now is a very good time to become a subsistence farmer.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Because that's totally something most people have access to and can do.

    Gonna start substinence farming inside my apartment deep in the concrete jungle of the inner city, yup.

    The world has changed deeply since the era where that was a way out of this. The majority of US citizens literally do not have access to arable land.

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    let's not coddle the media illiterate

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Sometimes it isn't even media literacy. I've known several nuero divergent people over the years who can have a hard time understanding sarcasm in person unless the person being sarcastic is really over doing it. They have no chance differentiating sarcastic and serious if it's written.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sarcasm and irony on the Internet are dead though. We live in post-sane times, i cannot ever assume the other person is not completely serious about the utterly deranged and/or idiotic shit they write or say.

    I must always assume that yes, that person is in fact as stupid as they seem until proven otherwise/indicated by an /s.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    that really sounds like a you problem, bud. good luck out there lol

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Honestly, as an old tyme closet grower, with about $300-400 in led lighting and a closet or small area that you could put a blackout grow enclosure, you could work 2-4 hydroponic buckets and get a shit load of tomatoes, and probably a few other fruit/vegetable strains.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Indoor vertical farming is quite efficient.

    Get a tent and a light, there’s no need for attitude because you can’t think up already available solutions.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The power requirements are astronomical, let alone the initial investment and upkeep.

    My yard is 80' x 200'. I might be able to feed my wife and I off that, no more. We'd be near starving, and likely would in the years it would take to work it out anything more than corn or potatoes. I have 2.5 acres of swamp in NW Florida. Can't grow shit there.

    There's a swamp down the road. I'd struggle to bring home a meaningful amount of fish. The creek that pours of it runs behind our house. About zero fish. I'd burn more calories trying to catch one than I'd gain.

    Sometimes I could shoot a deer! But, as with the fish, when everyone's hungry, nothing with fur would be left after a month.

    SOURCE: Been growing plants for 35 years.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've read a few accounts of people who've attempted to become completely self-sufficient. Even those with lots of land who spend all their time farming/fishing/hunting find that it's pretty much impossible these days. If you did achieve self-sufficiency at some point, you'd likely only be one failed crop from starving most of the time.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    you'd likely only be one failed crop from starving most of the time.

    Which is basically synonymous with subsistence farming, absent community or govt support. Lots of commenters who have obviously never needed to grow food to survive. Trust me, it is deeply unglamorous and insecure and always has been.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's just part of living in a corporate hellscape.

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    I like CSAs. All I really need to buy from stores is stuff like protein and grains. There are local CSAs in my area that even offer meat, eggs, and milk.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There's one just down the street from me! A day's worth of food is about $100 there. So, uh.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Hmm. Yeah, my local farmer's markets are expensive, but the CSA subscriptions are reasonable (i.e. the ones where you pay upfront for the season's produce, reducing the farmer's risk, then get a box of produce every week). Some, you can volunteer on the farm to get "free" food.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    All the subscriptions I've looked at are significantly costlier than grocery stores, on the same order as the ship I mentioned. I get the impression that they're trying to just tybdercut restaurant prices, as if their target market is people who would otherwise eat out every meal. Maybe I'm just not finding the right ones, but what I can budget for is restaurant supply and warehouse prices.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Most of my local ones are registered on https://www.localharvest.org/ (their map seems to be messed up right now, but seems to work if you type in a zipcode, select CSA from the dropdown, and press "GO"). They are more expensive than groceries stores, but don't use heavily exploited labor, and you often get a lot of weird/cool stuff normal grocery stores don't sell.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I think it would be better to state the specific products rather than call out grocery stores at large. With this info I cant write a letter to Costco telling them I think they should drop a product and why

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    yeah naming a grocery store for selling these products is dumb as fuck. may as well list every single place in the entire world that sells coca cola

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Well, technically not the entire world, but North America most likely and USA for sure.

    If I go out and buy Coca Cola, it's not made in a country with legalized slavery. Of course I still try to avoid it and prefer local products over stuff made by American megacorporations.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have previously read that basically every Fortune 500 company has divisions that profit off of prison labor.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Economics of Everyday Things : Prison Labor

    Barnes is one of around 800,000 incarcerated people with jobs in America's prison system. They grow crops, repair roads, fight wildfires, and manufacture a surprising number of the products we encounter in daily life, from office furniture to reading glasses. It's estimated that more than $11 billion worth of goods and services every year can be traced back to workers who are mostly paid pennies per hour for their labor, or even nothing at all.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The question to me is how could we fix it. I believe prison should be about herabilitation, but overall I'd say most of the population does not. Someone gets a DUI, robs a store, commits fraud, gets in a fight, beats their spouse, stabs someone, murders someone... whatever it is. People say they should be imprisoned, many say they should never be let out especially on multiple offenses. Most of the prisoners take the jobs because it is used as a "privilege.". You have to have good behavior to be eligible, then you choose one if you want with benefits that slowly "work off" hours of their sentences. (If it's available). Certain jobs pay more time off their sentences than others, and some will try to get into those jobs. Yet we will have people who scream that they shouldn't be let out after 5 years because they "insert crime here".

    IF leaving their imprisonment and performing tasks in the world around people with good behavior isn't a step to proving they are re-integratable into society, what is? I would say they need a hell of a lot more therapy, access to actual healthcare, psychologists, and resources that allow for easy integration back into society so they can find gainful employment, cut ties with their past and land on two feet to be able to move forward without extreme struggles that bring them back in.

    Our country doesn't vote for that, because those same things aren't available for citizens on the street who didn't commit crimes yet. And they think they are better and don't deserve less opportunities than those who did something illegal.

    So I guess what I'm saying is the first step to reforming our prisons is reforming our healthcare system... And wage inequality... And fuck... It's not going anywhere

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    Slavery. The word you're looking for is slavery.

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago

    “Made in USA” = prison labour.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You may remember this by its legacy name: slavery!

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    In Canada, large companies that make or sell goods have to submit an S-211 modern slavery report. Here's the 2025 version from Costco: https://scalca.blob.core.windows.net/2025/Costco_Wholesale_Canada_Ltd_2025_gp5j65.pdf

    The catalogue: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/lbrr/ctlg/index-en.aspx?l=7

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    73 violations involving slave labour, 1 with child labour, am I reading that right?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    More or less. 73 independent audits reported one or more issues related to slavery/forced labour (defined by Costco's own code), and one audit reported at least one issue related to child labour within Costco's supplier network. The exact dates, locations or details of audit results are not publicly provided in this report, but the important thing is that it is being audited, counted and brought to light at least internally, and any concerns from any report may be investigated by the Public Safety Minister.

    More details found on the government office's site.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    I think all of the Fortune 500 companies have divisions that exploit prison labor.

    They also get tax breaks for hiring felons they can pay less and even get reoffended on a whim.

    The states get next to nothing either for this prison labor oftentimes, but if we looked at the deciders we would find kickbacks. Sweetheart property deals through proxies, sneaky kickbacks but nothing that could not be recognized as such.

    Prison contracts are a big graft source too. A truly captive market.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    The most unrealistic thing in Shawshank Redemption was that anyone gave a fuck about those letters at the end. I'm pretty sure that nothing would've come out of it, and the jailer warden would've become a republican senator in a few years.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    While most critics don’t believe all jobs should be eliminated, they say incarcerated people should be paid fairly, treated humanely and that all work should be voluntary. Some note that even when people get specialized training, like firefighting, their criminal records can make it almost impossible to get hired on the outside.

    “They are largely uncompensated, they are being forced to work, and it’s unsafe. They also aren’t learning skills that will help them when they are released,” said law professor Andrea Armstrong, an expert on prison labor at Loyola University New Orleans. “It raises the question of why we are still forcing people to work in the fields.”

    JFC

    The AP sifted through thousands of pages of documents and spoke to more than 80 current or formerly incarcerated people, including men and women convicted of crimes that ranged from murder to shoplifting, writing bad checks, theft or other illegal acts linked to drug use. Some were given long sentences for nonviolent offenses because they had previous convictions, while others were released after proving their innocence.

    Reporters found people who were hurt or maimed on the job, and also interviewed women who were sexually harassed or abused, sometimes by their civilian supervisors or the correctional officers overseeing them. While it’s often nearly impossible for those involved in workplace accidents to sue, the AP examined dozens of cases that managed to make their way into the court system. Reporters also spoke to family members of prisoners who were killed.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    They also aren’t learning skills that will help them when they are released

    That's by design. Teaching people skills to support themselves gives them an opportunity to break out of the cycle of recidivism. Teaching people skills that are useless for most employers but are profitable to the slavers ensures that they are left disadvantaged, where they'll eventually end up back in prison for another round.

    To the same end, having a culture where employers are legally permitted to background-check candidates for any old job makes it harder for reformed criminals to reintegrate into society.

    When adding "tough on crime" politicians and their legislature to the mix, you can begin to see exactly what the goal is.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They're trying to build a prison

    They're trying to build a prison

    They're trying to build a prison

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    What a shithole country.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2023/09/27/updated_race_data/

    graph showing the huge difference in per-capita imprisonments of black Americans vs white

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States

    this is the data that racists (like Kirk) use to justify white supremacy. But the wrongful conviction rate is proven to be nearly the same.

    https://eji.org/news/study-shows-race-is-substantial-factor-in-wrongful-convictions/

    The report, Race and Wrongful Convictions in the United States 2022, reviewed the cases of 3,200 innocent defendants exonerated in the U.S. since 1989 and found that Black Americans are seven times more likely than white Americans to be falsely convicted of serious crimes. This is true across all major crime categories except for white collar crime, the report said.

    We didn't end slavery, just made it palatable to the masses by labeling it "punishment for a crime". They just need people to feel superior to those being exploited. Claiming it's because whites were superior stopped being effective for the majority, so they made it so it seems they do more crime instead.

    Additionally, there is more crime in predominantly black areas, but it's not because "black people are more violent" or whatever the hell, it's because racism has made it crazy difficult for black individuals that aren't born rich to progress. They were only sold houses or given apartments in certain areas, forced into poverty by lack of given opportunity, and while (I hope) that's less today, there has been a lasting effect on the general population. When you have to do crime to keep you and your family safe and fed, you do crime.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Any time somebody tries to tell me that racism isn’t really a thing anymore (yes, they do), I always ask:

    “Black people have six times the incarceration rate of white people. That can mean one of two things: there’s systemic racism, OR they are committing more crimes because it’s in their nature as a race. So, which is it?”

    They never want to answer. They have to keep the mask on. No matter how hard I press for an answer, they never give one and get pissed off. It’s very telling.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    That can mean one of two things: there’s systemic racism, OR they are committing more crimes because it’s in their nature as a race. So, which is it?”

    The racists will answer "it's the crimes".

    Fucking Kirk died with this lie on his lips.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Racists never wish to discuss the nuance. When discussing culture, behavior, and intelligence of the black population, they never wish to discuss the myriad of variables that would cause any negative outcomes. It’s so complicated and does not come down to one race being superior. I will never understand racism.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    When discussing culture

    Also racists have a shit taste in music, can you imagine the 20th century US music scene without black musicians? What the hell would americana have to point to proudly if it weren't for the countless black artists that built entire new worlds here?

    Like... do they think we get Elvis without black culture??? hahahahaha white people in the US would still be playing fiddles on top of hay bales if weren't for black people, not that there is anything wrong with that activity but like.... just look at how little country music ever changes vomits in mouth a little.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    The 13th amendment says that slavery's abolished. Look at all these slave master posing on your dollar.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Except as punishment for a crime. Literally in the text.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    And then they disproportionately target black people

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    So the slavery being abolished, isn't really true

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Correct. In fact the south almost immediately turned to convict leasing. They could round up and convict black men for pretty much any reason they could think of. Typically "vagrancy," aka not having a job. And they re-enslaved them quite legally. Keep in mind black people were not permitted to stand as witnesses in pretty much any courtroom of the time. It did not matter if any charges made were accurate, conviction was pretty much assured.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Even the punishment for possessing black people cocaine vs white people cocaine is ridiculous. The former used to be a mandatory 5 year sentence, the latter you could walk away with a probation. Fair sentencing act reduced the discrepancy a bit, but not completely IIRC.

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