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Someone once tole me only Western hippies believe in alternative medicine
I have some friends in Asia who are obsessed with it as well though.
In the west - yeah? Obviously third worlders also believe in various miracle healers and televangelist preachers and such, but those countries too have scientific minds and communities and bodies that practice evidence-based, aka "western" modern medicine.
When alternative medicine works, we call it medicine.
Failing to have a coherent understanding of how imperialism works. A lot of westerners seem to think they live in developed countries developed purely by their own industry, while not realizing how financial capital continues to plunder the global south.
Any resource you could recommend for someone who wants a better understanding of this?
Yes, actually! I wrote an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list, you can skip straight to the "imperialism" section. It'll be a bit difficult to jump straight there without the other sections, but it won't be impossible. If you only read one, it should be Lenin's Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism | Audiobook, which is by far the most clear and important work on the subject. The only problem is that imperialism has developed quite a lot since Lenin wrote it, and the US Empire is now unquestionably the top dog. For more on that, I recommend Michael Hudson's Super-Imperialism: The Origin and Fundamentals of U.S. World Dominance.
If you only want a quick overview, though, Prolewiki's article on imperialism is really good by itself.
Thank you for the quality resource! I realized I already had this saved but haven't gotten to that section yet o7.
No problem! It's a fair bit into the list because imperialism is both the number 1 most important contradiction in the world today, and quite an advanced topic when first delving into Marxism. If you already have the list saved, and have the time and willingness, I suggest following it the standard way - it's much easier to understand when you have the background info!
I knew I had you tagged as Marxist - Leninist Bro for a reason ;P, properly appreciate the effort you've put into it. Yes, following the list as outlined is my intent - excited to delve into the imperialist section now, it's something I've not put much intention towards learning beforehand, as such it's awesome you've put together something so comprehensive.
Their attitudes towards elderly parents. I've been told I shouldn't worry about helping them in their old age because they had their chance to work and save for retirement and so it's their responsibility of it's not enough. Except... They didn't. They migrated here with nothing, provided for THEIR parents their whole lives, and did the best they could for me, which left them with next to nothing. Westerners assume everyone boomer aged or so had the same opportunities that their parents had. The nuclear family is also very hands-off about caring for the elderly. That's not how most of the world operates. Plus, it's so sad!
Yep, same in the UK. We've abandoned our elderly and seemingly can't wait for our kids to leave so that we enjoy maybe 10 years of watching TV and not working before we die.
In other, less 'developed' countries the family is a unit. The elderly help with the infants (which has been proven to be mutually beneficial), while the rest of the family works or helps maintain the household. There's way less likelyhood of abandonment or lonliness in old age, which in my country is endemic.
Totally buying the touristy theme park version of whatever other culture. No, the people at the resort don't actually think you're great. No, tripping with a self-proclaimed shaman who charges a month's local wage to resolve your mommy issues is not how the locals do mysticism.
Does the self-proclaimed shaman actually resolve mommy issues though? Asking for a friend.
"immigration is why our lives are getting worse"
Very clear indicator that someone has barely attempted to understand how the world works
I mean yeah thats a good indication, but thinking about it, many asian countries also have this same feeling. So is it a westernized thought process or just "people are stupid as fuck" problem. I lean on the latter.
It's a racism problem, which one might argue is people being stupid as fuck.
It's a capitalist problem. As long as the billionaire class keeps us fighting a culture war amongst ourselves, we won't realize that the actual war is a class war against them.
There are only two classes. The billionaires and the rest of us (that they call "labour"). If you can convince the labour class that they are divided by race, religion, etc.. they'll be too busy blaming each other to come burn down your mansion.
MM/dd/yyyy date format by default on software
Worst format ever. It should either be dd/mm/yyyy or yyyy/mm/dd
The worst?? Try mm/yy/dd, and you'll regret everything in your life. Another βgreatβ one is yyyy-dd-mm; it'll infuriate anyone using the ISO standard.
Omg who uses that?
oh god my eyes
yyyy/mm/dd
YYYY-MM-DD
Standard is for dashes in ISO8601.
Goodness gracious, it gives me an aneurysm every time I set up a new computer with the en_US locale or have to fill out forms with that date format.
this is just the USA, not the whole west
Thinking China is the same as it was 10-30 years ago and that Chinese products canβt have superior quality.
Weβve reached a point where the US doesnβt even know how to manufacture some of the stuff China can.
It's not just, but very much an american thing to say. It's almost every video on youtube."i bought this power tool for $4 from china and man it's bad." All the comments are: hahaha china only makes shit, who could've guessed.
You can buy the best literally everything from china. But it's not gonna be cheap. But then it's like:"that's too expensive for something from china." I'm worried when something is "American made" because it's an absolute gamble and the chances are really high that they use their weirdo measurements where you need magically sized tools to taje it apart.
Slave labor is illegal in China, and working conditions have continuously been improving year over year for decades. The upper-level comment applies directly to that type of thinking you're doing here.
No, this is closer to fantasy than reality, you need to turn off Fox News. Regarding the treatment of Uyghurs, read Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation, and there isn't excessice state violence against workers organizing for better conditions. In fact, the state most often sides with the workers against capitalists.
Is unionzation legal in the majority of China now?
Yes, just not in a way that goes against the socialist system.
I guess to be more specific are worker led unions that facilate collective bargening or activities like strikes legal in the majority of China yet? Or are they limited to the role of special interest political action group still.
As long as it isn't undermining the socialist system, strikes to happen and are supported by the CPC, even. Unions cannot legally be independent from the ACFTU.
Do you have some major examples where a legal strike was allowed to happen? From what i can tell illegal strikes happen are often not fully procecuted (Heaven is high and the emperor is far away after all) but legal strikes from the sanctioned ACFTU do not seem common, im guessing because of the top down structure of the org, but i could be mistaken there.
Strikes are generally uncommon across the board these days because the system works well and is constantly improving. A great article on the modern class struggle in China between the proletariat and national bourgeoisie is This is a Great Struggle, and it elaborates on the role of the CPC in the class struggle (for workers, against capitalists).
That is not the data i am finding https://chinaworker.info/en/2024/03/30/44910/ Even within the link you provided (which seems vastly more interested in national state interests than workers interests).
You linked a trotskyist "China watching" org, of course they are going to portray China as though it's in crisis when it's steadily doing better and better. This is why China's approval rates are so high:

Secondly, the link I provided talks about worker interests, in China the interests of the state are aligned with the interests of the workers, hence the worker backlash against Lenovo.
You've shared this picture twice, but i cant find the study related to it.
Do you have better sources on tracking strikes in mainland China? The only other places i found info were US finance reporting on as a mattet of investment concern.
Overall, it's difficult to find accurate data on strikes in China in english that's not intentionally massaged or outright fabricated. There's a ton of money in distorting it. However, it's important to recognize that China's system is broadly supported, and strikes are not as necessary to enact systemic changes.
You do see why the argument that strikes are rarely allowed but conveintly thats ok because they are needed or wanted isnt very convicing right?
I can seem to find numbers supporting that are a rise in strikes which line up with the global trend of economic unrest, I can not find numbers suggesting what you are saying though, and instead you seem to be suggesting that yes there is an increase of illegal strikes but no body actually or needs them because the states interests are the peoples interests. That seems inconcruent to the data showing that people are in fact striking. Which is why i was asking about different data sources. Id take non-english data sources as well to be honest. Translatinh the label and methods may take some effort but i can Arabic Numerals in almost any context.
Even by western sources, strikes are falling. You keep framing them as "illegal strikes," and in general seem content on just parroting anti-China viewpoints. If they are striking, it's because China is bad, if they aren't, it's because they aren't allowed to, etc etc. It's as Michael Parenti puts it, a "non-falsifiable orthodoxy."
My point from the beginning is that China does have some strikes, but the context of said strikes is different from capitalist countries and as such trying to use "number of strikes" as a state of worker well-being is poor logic. The numbers do back broad support for China and for socialism, which is why I've shared them.
Im not seeing what you are saying represented in the link you provided.
Groups like CLB are saying that the strikes they are tracking are illegal strikes because the official unions are not acts on the demands of their members. Basically the sole source ive found and that you have shared. We seem to have no data to point that says otherwise.
The steelman version of what you present to me is that China has no need for strikes and that all reporting on strikes is false. Implying every group of workers in China are content to live and die in service to States ambitions as all interpersonal conflict between employer and employees is mediated without fail in some other system besides collective barganing and worker's demostrations of solidarity.
Am i to believe that AND that China a safe place for foreign investment as is also claimed by the CCP? And if so, how?
No, you're again mischaracterizing my point. I stated clearly my beliefs in the last comment, and now you're sealioning.
My point still is that if the working class fighting for better conditions for themselves is illegal the state is not on their side. Which by the numbers it is.
This is just an example of it but is part of larger trend of extreme (worse than the US on rights is extreme) worker explotation and supression.
Strikes are not the main way workers fight for better conditions for themselves in socialism, the society as a whole is oriented in a fashion where this is achievable by reform and referendum, democratic institutions. Strikes can and have been used by western, anti-communist groups against socialist systems, and this is what's illegal. You're again falsely pretending the PRC and US Empire have the same economic system, and thus mechanisms like strikes have the same utility in each, but that's not the case. Strikes are more useful in capitalist economies where the state is on the side of the capitalists.
During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.
- Dr. Michael Parenti
It's exactly what you're saying. Workers wield collective power through the state in the PRC, that is their primary means. Tracking strike numbers isn't an accurate assessment of the health of the economic system or the support workers have for socialism. Instead, looking at metrics I've shared like worker confidence in the system and support for it directly state that people broadly support the system overall.
Your comments about Xinjiang were removed because they were Fox News-style conspiracy theory, not actual grounded analysis. I already linked what I recommend you check out.
Then why would there still be so many examples of workers effectivally saying otherwise despite the legal risk?
There aren't. The system isn't perfect, of course, but overall the working class supports their socialist system, and believe it represents their interests. Strikes are largely against capitalists when they do happen, not socialism. You've been shown several times that the system is consistently and overwhelmingly supported by over 90% of people, far higher than western countries, yet you continue to hem and haw around that while vaguely gesturing towards the fact that strikes exist in China, as though that alone is a point.
The fact that strikes are illegal and against capitalists implies the state is protecting capitalist intetests and not worker interests.
Strikes are not illegal in China. Strikes are regulated. Again, the people support their system broadly, the large firms and key industries are publicly owned, capitalists are regularly executed by the state. You keep affirming a view of China that does not exist, ie one where capitalists are empowered at the expense of workers, when the opposite is true, and is why the studies you've been shown reflect extremely positive views of society and the direction China is going in among the working class.
No, this is wrong on all accounts. The fact that over 90% of people support the system and believe it to be headed in the right direction, the fact that the large firms and key industries are publicly owned, and the fact that year over year conditions are rapidly improving for the working class do not support your claims.
There are not "concentration camps." The existence of strikes that additionally break the law do not mean strikes are illegal. Western, state-funded propaganda outlets like the Victims of Communism Foundation, BBC, and Radio Free Asia do not honestly depict the PRC. Wealth disparity is falling in China, and more importantly working class conditions are dramatically improving and have been for almost a century.
You have a very confused and distorted view caused by looking at relatively minor problems as though they are widespread and massive. You also have no evidence backing your claims, other than the idea that strikes exist in China. The working class became the ruling class at the founding of the PRC, and has been since. There has never been a time where capitalists have become the ruling class. There hasn't been a successful counter-revolution.
I think if you want to understand China more, you should at least familiarize yourself with the basics of Marxism-Leninism. You can use my intro ML reading list, or Qiao Collective's SWCC intro reading guide.
I've recently been getting some stupidly high-quality stuff from China for insanely good prices.
Essentially, I've been buying stuff from Walmart that has been marked down over $100. What I think is happening is no-name Chinese companies try to make a high quality product and sell it for a premium, but then nobody buys it because of the reputation no-name Chinese companies have. Then, they still need to sell their inventory so we can get great products at great prices.
These bluetooth headphones from a company I've never heard on straight up shit on the Sennheisers I used to have that cost significantly more.
It's more that China already produces so much of what, say, Statesians consume. US-based companies offshore production and sell domestically at higher prices, but if you go straight to the manufacturers, you can get closer to the prices the US-based companies are already buying them for. These products are often made at the same factories, even, but don't have the US branding, that's about it.
I got my glasses from a Chinese company that owns the entire chain of production. Excellent quality, and even lower priced than "cheap" American stores like Walmart that just resell.
I see that clearly when i buy products from Aliexpress or Temu and shops in Poland are full of literally the same items but 3-5 times the price. Hell some of the internet shops openly does the thing that you buys something and only then they order it in China for you but you still pay 3-5 times the price.
I think some Chinese brands need to own their premium prices. It might be difficult with electronics however.
There are steels that premium Chinese brands can make that are objectively better that nobody else has produced yet and they are VERY expensive.
They literally own the means of production
"They" just doesnt seem to be the average Chinese citizen.
The large firms and key industries in China are overwhelmingly publicly owned:

"$1 million isn't a lot of money."

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