If anyone's feeling pretty hopeless about finding this out for the first time, I recommend this documentary about the cartoon frog's creator suing Alex Jones and trying to take back his ownership over Pepe from the white power weirdos. It's very uplifting and the artist is a pretty likable guy.
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I KNOW RIGHT???
And people were like "oh the killer carved UWU what's this and Helldivers 2 memes on his bullets, that's common in Groyper circles"
Bro are you talking aboutttttt, what do you mean????
I just find it absurd how these niche-in-a-niche-in-a-niche communities develop and how seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles inside, it reaches a point where I'm just like dude, our lizard brains can't handle the internet. We just weren't wired to work like this, there's no way
I saw someone who described the murder as a shitpost and that scarily makes sense.
The world's first shitpost murder. Insane.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/46016750
Here's the link.
I really, truly, with all of my being, feel that we are reaching the end limits of what the human mind is currently able to contend with. We are so overstimulated it's insane. We literally need to evolve our physical bodies as a species to continue living as we are or we will literally die.
Sorry man, but it's going to get worse before it gets better.
And I have no idea if it's ever getting better
seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles
My favorite thing is the neonazis wearing pleated khakis. Like, the only item of clothing even nerdier than that is lederhosen.
My nephew is being sent to an evangelical school whose uniform is khakis and a choice of a red or blue polo shirt. Want to guess which color is social suicide?
Im no longer talking to that part of my family.
If this is gonna be a One Piece pirate flag kinda future, does that mean we can wear sailor slops?

I'm a grown-ass, nearly 40 year-old family man, and I fucking know what "uwu" is. These idiots think they're "exposing the conspiracy", when in reality anyone who has spent more than 4 seconds researching any meme would immediately recognize it.
It wasn't even "uwu" meme
It was the "OwO what's this?" Meme. Which makes it even weirder/funnier/messed up
What's the difference? ELIA5 please, I don't know if I have time to go down this rabbit hole myself.
Same difference. It's used interchangeably.
I still don't understand, but I learned one thing, when a meme seems to do not have a meaning, it's fascists crap.
Those guys always miss humor totally.
I learned about the Groyper wars recently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
Targeting Charlie Kirk
What the fuck?! Seems pretty relevant to look into re: the past week but no let’s blame it on leftists
It is very relevant yeah. They hated Kirk, and it very well may be that the shooter was a groyper
Fuentes himself was almost murdered last December by a guy who killed three other people and two dogs that day and ended up getting killed by the police. He went there specifically for Fuentes but I don't think it was some foot soldier following orders. No idea if the guy was on the left but I kinda don't really think he was.
Even though it is a well written, informative and comprehensive article, I still feel like I am losing braincells reading it. It is so incredibly stupid what some humans stoop to.
Same. At one point I found myself skimming words without taking them in and I had to stop.
I did learn one important thing from all of this though - there are more fractures and divisions among the far right than there appears. Ever-smaller factions fighting amongst each other is better than one coherent group fighting the rest of us.
Fuck, we invent some useless shit. I wonder what'll be around in 50 years? Tea cosy wars? A disdain for people with attached ear lobes? A religion that proclaims the colour yellow to be heresy?
Careful what you say about yellow or they might come for you next.
THERE IS ONLY green
Green is not a creative color
As a person with deuteranopia, I find your assertion offensive. Next you'll be saying purple is a real colour that totally exists.
purple
Ayyyyy get out of here with that kind of language, that is so goddamn offensive.
You have angered the Roman Emperor prepare to lose your penis. If you are not in possession of a penis one will be assigned to you.
... gurple? green-purple?
Or....does it all more or less come across as something like brown?
Or gray?
You overestimate progress in the field of bigotry. In 50 years they will hate (in no particular order) people who are:
- black
- brown
- jews
- asians
- gay (as umbrella term, come at me lesbians)
- genderfreaks (saying it as a genderfreak)
- overwheight
- neurodivergent
- religious minority
- homeless
So, pretty much the same as 50 years ago
Thanks. Also interesting to read about the origin of Pepe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog
My one consolation over finding out about this whole fight between different groups of fascists (besides the fact that the fascists are fighting each other, that's always a net positive) is that I can refer to it as gang violence.
Kirk was killed in a turf war between his gang and a rival gang immediately after trying to downplay mass shootings by asking "with or without gang violence?"
Wasn't he saying something about "gang violence" literally the moment he got shot?
His literal last words before being shot were answering the question of if he knew how many shootings there have been in the past 10 years (after blaming them on trans people one question before) with, "With or without gang violence?" Not even a second later he had a fountain of blood spurting from his neck.
Yes you can. But nobody else will, especially not those in power, because we live in an extremely racist "culture."
From what I'm gathering, it seems like one group is more "traditionally" American racism... And the other group is more like WW2 Nazi racists?
Either way, they're racists and not worth the oxygen they're consuming.
Can I just continue to have incredible distain for all racism? Because I'd hate to be branded as a sympathizer to either group. They both sound horrible.
The only surprising thing to me here is that racists hate eachother enough for this level of violence. I don't necessarily consider that a bad thing, I just thought they would... I dunno, bond over their mutual hatred of other races, rather than fight eachother over who is more racist.
... Not that I'm complaining. Having racists kill other racists makes it easier to fight against the groups that remain. Both groups of racists deserve to be put down. Not that I have the ability, capability, opportunity nor motivation to do that work myself..... I'm just not going to complain when one group kills the other, and the first group ends up in jail for life because of it. Honestly, that's an absolute win IMO.
Authoritarians, which are not unrelated to racism, if left alone, will start stripping rights from each other. In a spherical cow sense, they can't really bond with each other because they fundamentally hate other people, like as a concept. This is also sorta why their social media sites never take off.
I generally hate people. I don't want to be authoritative over anyone. I don't want the responsibility.
I wonder if their hate is just a side effect of wanting to be superior over others. And that's what drives their base actions.
More or less, yes. It's the satisfaction that comes from power.
The main ingredients of fascism are fear (urgency) and a desire to reclaim a power once held, like in a birthright sense. A result of this is that the power they hold now is a result of the fear they've fostered, which means they quite literally cannot survive people becoming unafraid. There must always be a group of people to hate, even amongst each other, or the kingdom they've built vanishes.
Edgelords that treat their racism and violence as fuel for shitposts
vs.
Traditional "Brick and mortar and nooses" racists
It's like gaining eldritch knowledge. It unlocks certain aspects of reality unseen before now, at the cost of some of your sanity, driving you mad with understanding. And everyone around you thinks you've lost your mind
the normalization of nazi culture makes me want to fucking die
I didn't even know about the Groypers till Charlie Kirk was killed by one.
I only knew Nick Fuentes as "That guy who tried to sue Antifa" and later "The Right Winger who disavowed Trump in 2024"
Apparently there's controversy about him not "really" being an Incel because he had a girlfriend in high school, and he believes anything outside of being celibate is gay, because being affectionate with a woman is unmanly.... and I'm like...
"This is too much even for me."
I didn't even know about Charlie Kirk until Charlie Kirk was killed by a groyper. I knew there was some rightwing crank being mocked for having a tiny face on a huge head, but that was it. My main reaction after the shooting was "damn, that really is a tiny face".
They had to go for the neck because the face was too small a target.
I only learned about him when I was still on Reddit via people posting quotes on the 'whitepeopletwitter' subreddit. Between him, Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh being constantly posted there, I damn near lost my mind at the sheer combined idiocy of them all and had to unsub.
Wait'll you hear about that time Fuentes accidentally streamed himself watching gay porn. Or his date with a catboy!
Lots of info on Nick can be found on his RationalWiki entry. See the "Haggard's Law" section for info and links to sources about the things I mentioned.
I'm sorry to ask, but is there a source that isn't Rational Wiki?
No no, I shouldn't let my own issues with the site get in the way of good faith reporting. I'll have a look at this when I can
There are a lot of sources. Try the following search engine queries:
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Nick Fuentes streams gay porn
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Nick Fuentes Catboy Date
I know him as "that MAGA loser who's a fiercly proud incel and got caught with tabs of gay porn open on a stream".
But to be honest I thought he had completely vanished into insignificance over the last 5 years. Sadly this appears incorrect.
They're just losers who live online trying to outdo each other to hold the most extreme view points possible so they can stand out in their depressing little discord shitholes. It's such a depressing reality I can't even imagine it. No wonder they become mass shooters.
Losers that have the ear of the president. Fuentes less but he also been to Mar A Lago for lunch with Maga Pompous
The two sides are racists who disagree regarding faith and whether Jewish people are their equals or not.
You're also describing lemmy, except for the mass shooter part... for now. With the stochastic terrorism that dominates certain discussions (Gaza, Luigi, etc) it's only a matter of time.
I've never felt the need to shift my opinions to please the crowd on lemmy. I mean if someone is really deep in certain communities that could happen, but that's the loser part. Online chat groups shouldn't become a focus of your identity.
Lemmy isn't in the same realm as Groypers or neo-nazi cliques or any of that nonsense. Really?
I have a feeling the trial is going to be a cringe fest of internet memes. Lawyers explaining to the jury what 4chan and pepe is. The trial Charlie Kirk deserves.
"So how do we know this chinese furry sniper known as 4chan might not be a Muslim?"
https://youtu.be/EM-booRzCYY https://youtu.be/3KO8OPejaXY?t=3m18s

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