Recent news revealed that Spotify’s CEO Daniel Ek has been investing heavily in military tech companies, which adds another ethical layer to a platform already criticized for how little it pays musicians !

Spotify only pays artists about $3–5 per 1,000 streams, using a pro-rata model that directs most money toward major stars... By contrast, Qobuz (≈$18–20 per 1,000 streams) and Tidal (≈$12–13) pay far more fairly!

However Tidal is far from ethical. Most of its revenue is controlled by private investors and founders and small artists still earn very little...

More fair-minded platforms like Bandcamp, Resonate, Ampled, or SoundCloud’s fan-powered royalties prioritize musicians over investors.

With these more ethical alternatives available, why do we keep using Spotify?

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[–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I buy on Bandcamp Fridays, but am suspicious of that platform since they changed owners so often without any input from the community or musicians.

I'm keeping my eye on https://subvert.fm/ as a hopefully more democratic option.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Thanks for sharing, this is a better write-up than I would've done.

    But yeah it really sucks because from the outside Bandcamp looks like a great "light touch" platform, but the truth is sadly much more cynical and anti-democratic.

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    [–] 23 points 1 year ago*

    It’s worse. My music is on Spotify - while I would no longer meet their minimum for payments, even before that change they refused to pay me or provide stats until I provided a twitter or Facebook page/IG page, none of which I have - despite publishing through an established publishing company who could absolutely handle payments and play stats.

    Spotify is cancer.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Old fart checking in ... why not just buy the tracks instead of paying for monthly access that screws artists? I mean, each song is unlikely to be more than $1.49, and then you own it. I don't have a streaming music account and never will because the idea of paying repeatedly for the same thing -- with the option of it being pulled at any time -- is nauseating.

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    I prefer buying individual tracks to the Tower Records model of $20 before you know if that one song you're getting it for is the only good one on the album.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So much money dropped at on cue / sam Goody's back in the day only to get that tape / CD home and realize that one song on the radio was fire.. but the rest of the album was just a train wreck of flaming garbage.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Bandwagon, Faircamp, Love a Brother Radio, The Indie Beat. Probably not what you're looking for, but direct creator support, Fedi powered, all wonder folks.

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    I'm not sure about the coins but I've been using it for a few months now and have been thoroughly enjoying the service. I think the coins are literally just their store wallet, and whether you keep some store credit there or not doesn't matter. It's equivalent to buying an iTunes gift card or something. You can just pay for whatever you want outright.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Can some tell me how Deezer stacks up? I switched from Spotify to Deezer a little while ago, not for any real reason, other than Spotify kept increasing their prices and I don't really listen to audio books or podcasts even. Plus Deezer streams hifi flacs as standard so it sounds way better. I've got no idea how ethical they are tho, but would be interested to learn.

    Edit: so I did my own research and looks like Deezer pays sightly more per stream than Spotify, but marginally..

    Never mind, I'm beginning to build my local music library and self host it. I buy lots of merch and I go to gigs regularly. Once my library is substantial enough I'll quit the streaming apps

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    That's been my take. Buy from the band or their merch whenever possible.
    Bandcamp is a close second best, as is HDTracks although they're both from murica.
    Otherwise sail the high seas.

    I was never a fan of rent music until we stop you anyway.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I find Spotify is dogshit to navigate I can't find anything. If I let it autoplay it'll just start playing generic shitty dance music. I don't get it. I've never discovered an artist through Spotify.

    I exclusively use Bandcamp lately. Unfortunately, American owned. Looking into other suggestions here.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I had this problem at first, then I realized there's so much music I never listened to before and I have enough new music between Qobuz and Bandcamp that I'm satisfied. But I see your point. I have pirated some music when the creator don't allow me to purchase the songs.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    While I agree with you for most alternatives to Spotify, I have yet to not be able to find any song from anyone on SoundCloud particularly in more niche genres. I obviously don't know everything you listen to but the reason you describe is the exact reason I can't always use Spotify

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I prefer to pay artists I like directly either via merch, patreon, or going to their concerts.

    for my music? soulseek/nicotine+ on my server.

    the problem is Spotify is by far the best streaming platform out there, bar none. I've tried the other's like Tidal and Deezer and what have you and just didn't like them. Amazon Music was absolutely horrible. The only other alternative would be youtube music with an adblocker. How do I find new artists? youtube shorts believe it or not.

    But yeah I'd rather pay the artists directly.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Daniel Ek is investing in European defense companies. This is not unethical.

    Spotify paying like shit to their artists and platforming Joe Rogan are totally valid reasons to move away though. But the thing is that Spotify is sort of like radio. How much did radio pay for artists for each time the song was played? Genuinely asking.

    What I do is I do 90% of my listening on Spotify. Then when I hear something really good, I buy and download their album, usually on Bandcamp and mostly keep listening them on Spotify because it's just so much lesser hassle. Seems like the best of both worlds. Thought about going to vinyls but I'm not hipster enough.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've started on vinyls. They're cool, but it's some work. Gotta store it right, handle with care, clean them. And that doesn't guarantee it won't skip around or, worse, get stuck on a loop. I do like the big square that is the sleeve cover, and it's just kind of cool. But I've been considering CDs instead. Cheaper, afaik, and can be ripped onto a PC with the right hardware (which I presume is allowed — so long as you don't distribute it — given you pay for it). Cover art is unfortunately smaller, and I've seen some cool vinyl concepts that probably wouldn't work as CDs (colourful? Semitransparent? Glow in the dark????). But far more convenient, and cheaper. Plus, with the right hardware, I could also listen to FM radio

    Vinyls are cool, CDs more are convenient (or so I reckon)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    this is an awesome video on why other streaming services are just marginally better than spotify and not a long term solution: https://youtu.be/gDfNRWsMRsU

    with that in mind i’m trying to transition away from streaming but am using tidal as what i hope is the least bad option for now.

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    I buy stuff on bandcamp during bandcamp fridays (which allegedly gives all revenue to the artist), but you need the artist to be there in the first place.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I'm still on Pandora and honestly have no idea how they stack up. I just use it as a radio station on long drives.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    It's the same old reason as always. Most users value their convenience more than anything.

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    That pays exactly $0 per stream to the artists.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That doesn't solve discoverability of new content, which is one of the good features of Spotify

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    That's slowly being replaced with "AI content", Spotify is literally becoming more shit by the day.

    I don't really use it myself, but you can scrobble to services like last.fm and get recommendations that way.

    And if you want to sponsor your favorite artists, just go to their concerts or buy some music or merch. You're paying them way more that way than your plays on streaming platforms ever will.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Why?

    1. Lack of Feature Parity

    2. Stickiness of library transfer

    3. Stickiness of social network effects

    4. It's still better ethically than Apple Music or YouTube Music, which behave anti-competitively

    1: I've tried out Quobuz, it's pretty good, but it does not have the Jam / Group Session feature which me and my friends use constantly while gaming remotely. It also does not have an Xbox app which I use while playing games. I find Spotify's recommendations somewhat underwhelming, but Quobuz has a noticeably worse recommendation engine, at least for my genres and tastes. Those are the features that lack parity that matter to me, but for some others, it's things like amplifiers having built-in Spotify, or there being a Roku or Playstation app or something.

    2: Quobuz uses a third party service to automatically transfer your library, which worked pretty well, but did require jumping through a bunch of hoops and subscribing to a trial subscription that I then had to cancel. It also did not find matches for some songs. Could I make it work if I had enough reason to switch? Yeah, probably, but the lack of feature parity (/roadmap that includes them) is enough to dissuade me from really trying.

    3: In addition to friends on Spotify all using Jams, there's also an inherent niceness to just being able to text people Spotify links, especially since there's no cross platform linking service that would otherwise make sharing music easy.

    4: Supporting Spotify may not be great, but its still better than supporting trillion dollar anti-competitive corporations like Apple and Google.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I have been using https://music.inlinestyle.it/ ( https://www.inlinestyle.it/ ). I buy albums by myself so that the full royalties go to the artist and them keep my collection there.

    It's also nice to be able to listen to fediverse indie music I didn't know about.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Because Spotify does everything better in every way possible, there is literally no way to argue this fact without baseless opinions spoiling the discussion.

    So much so that, short of an angel investor coming from heaven itself to pay billions of dollars with zero stipulations, there is no way for any other company to catch up without being offered an extremely ridiculous lucrative buyout from Spotify that only the dumbest of MAGA cultists would refuse.

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