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[–] 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Remember when they put out a document that told us that they were going to do this, and exactly how, and people ignored it or called it "propaganda"?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I feel like the idiots who did this had troll's calling it propaganda to make folks think it was bullshit

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I work with someone, who's not a stupid person, and not a Republican, and he told me at the time that it was propaganda that the Democrats put out.

    Nothing I said got through. All I said was that we'll have to revisit the conversation in 6 months. Haven't talked to him about it again yet.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    This is such an interesting article, thanks for sharing :)

    In general, i'm pro-balkanization mostly because i don't see a common future for the people in the US anymore, and splitting up the region into smaller communities might have the advantage that people can hold their representatives more directly liable, because they live closer-by.

    There’s lots of paternalistic Daddy talk these days that centers on the need to “protect the American people.”

    It would be good if the government actually protected the american people from economic hardship. A quarter of americans can't find jobs who cover life's needs, and the situation is gonna get much worse over the next 10 years due to automation and AI.

    In that sense, implementing a universal basic income would be good, though i'm not sure what the conservative speakers had in mind with that.

    According to most reports, his underlying message was reflected in a reckless refrain heard throughout the conference: “You can just do things!”

    You might have to.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago* (19 children)

    If the USA will split up in the evangelical right and liberal left then you'll end up with one super power, now unburdened by the anchor weight of the red states, and one theocratic third world banana republic dictatorship that will be unable to feed its own population

    At this point, is any red states even able to take care of itself without federal support?

    Either way, I'm all for it too, let these antisocial religious idiots suffer in their own little north korea corner, but be sure they won't get any nukes as they're very Apocalypse culty

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Part of the problem is that the divide is more urban vs rural than state by state. We might end up with dozens of city states with all the tech and money, but none of the staples of life and vast tracts of impoverished rural thocracies that can only survive by selling food and raw materials to the city states.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    It's gonna be real interesting the first time those rural fuckers needs an MRI or complicated surgery, cause that's all in blueland.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    The Bible says medicine is wicked

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Can I get a chapter and verse?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Eh, it's somewhere in the back

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I read the Bible, I must have missed that. I recall "is there no balm in Gilead?"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Oh yeah, it's way way after the Gilead stuff. Near the back

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I've searched, both when I first asked and after your last reply. I can't find anything. Maybe my search terms are faulty. I know Jesus referenced physicians, but after that, I don't know, can't find anything.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't mean to be rude, but I think your critical reading and media literacy skills are faulty if you are still taking my comment seriously

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Will there be refugee programs for those of us in red states? The second you give these fuckers Gilead, they’ll start culling LGBT people and life will get a lot worse for anyone with the wrong amount of melanin in their skin.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I imagine Texas, maybe, but it’s a gas station at that point I’d imagine as things that are different to that would probably want to leave.

    A lot of everywhere else would be a whole mess with progressive cities being screwed by the rest of the state with many of them leaving before the borders close and those that couldn’t being trapped in hell.

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  • [+] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    ““Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25‬:‭41‬-‭46‬ If only more people who claimed to follow Christ read and listened to what Jesus actually had to say about the kinds of people they are persecuting.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This might be my new favorite bible quote.

    I've never had one before. I've been aware of a bunch. Maybe I would have chosen Austin 3:16 for a while as a smart ass teenager in the 90s. But now I have one and it's this.

    Maybe it was intentional and maybe it was luck, but to me this brief passage reaches deep into kinds of things that make for happy vs miserable people.

    I can't help but notice how Jesus pretty clearly points out that there is no hierarchy when it comes to caring for one another.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    This is my favourite whenever people try to weaponise the Bible. Jesus said that he is the fulfilment of “the law and the prophets”, and even goes so far as to say some of the laws that were given were only because of how messed up the people of Israel were. If Jesus is the fulfilment of “the law and the prophets”, then what he says is authoritative over what is written in the Old Testament.

    As an aside, in the Old Testament “God’s wrath” is most often seen in the form of letting a nation destroy themselves (usually Israel) by doing whatever they want instead of what God instructed them to do, which essentially boils down to the verses I originally quoted. Usually that meant being conquered by another nation or famine. Some may say that same sort of thing is playing out for MAGA. The people claiming to represent God have been doing exactly the opposite of what he told them to do, and now they’re getting what they wanted but it’s destroying them.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is news? ... as in something new?

    White Christian America has been promoting this for years

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    [–] 65 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Maga is Christian in name only. If hell is real, they're all going to hell because nothing they do has anything to do with Christ's teachings.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This. They would never dare attend services in non-white churches and would be hostile to newcomers that appear “different” in their own communities. These folks quickly abandon the teachings of Jesus Christ to fight for “racial purity” hands down.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Everything you said is true, but the maga label narrows the context unnecessarily. It's been the Republican MO for decades, and the Democrats have generally presented as less forceful christians. But it's because it works on the people they target with it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Christianity is an authoritarian death cult, maga are perfectly in line with what the religion really is.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    When did Jesus teach about authoritarian death cults?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    What can you confirm that Jesus taught?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Read the Gospels. Its all right there in the Bible. There's nothing about authoritarian death cults.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Fuck religion.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think “NatCons” is a great name for the fascist American right. It’s like they just handed it to us.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Christofascism. Fuck the US.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Project 2025 is a shit show and would turn the USA into 1979 Iran.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Stop. Blaming. Maga.

    This is the GOP. They fucking TOLD you this was the plan.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Dude, the GOP = MAGA.

    The republicans that were around during bush 2 are gone. That party is gone. The problem is that people that consider themselves Republican like the politicians from that era and before, haven’t not realized that the modern GOP is the same in name only.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Those Republicans aren't gone. They're just Democrats now because the entire spectrum of political discourse in the US has shifted that far right.

    Remember when the Cheneys found themselves on the outs with the Republicans? Their alliance with Dems would have been utterly unthinkable 25 years ago, but look at them now. As Republicans move further right and Democrats keep trying to court "centrist" voters, all they're doing is moving their party to the right.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    MAGA or GOP what's the difference?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    There's many, including those in dem leadership, who think maga is just a small part of gop and eventually it'll go away and gop will go back to how it was.

    They don't want to acknowledge or admit this is what gop has always been

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    One of these will be pilloried and eventually destroyed. The other will blame the prior for all its bad actions, claim innocence and continue onwards

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Anyone remember the "tea party" and all the people that were suddenly "Independents" after W's popularity hit the skids? I wonder if it will be like that again?

    The R's stand up another version of the "tea party", people go to those rallies and talk about being "independents"....and run right back to the voting booth at the next possible chance to vote Republican, for whatever monster the Republicans find to run after Taco.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Religious participation is plummeting as the compassionate and reasonable people disassociate from Christianity

    The right is splintering, and the Kirk shooter being a neonazi shows this

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    A neo nazi with a trans girlfriend? Now Ive seen everything...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Oh man. I bet this article pisses you off.

    I’m so sorry to have to point it out. Let me know if you want me to explain why the article is important.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Conservative=/=neo nazi. Fuck, you people are weird.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Stop acting the part if you don’t want the label, Weirdo Actual.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I bet you also call anyone over the age of 18 a boomer too? It must be so hard having to deal with multiple points of view, and that not everyone fits into the little boxes we need to make your brain work.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (9 children)
  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I am not. I am not even close to being a boomer. Not that it should matter, as the idea that generational birth would inform my or anyone elses values is pretty weird. You know that TV show the Witcher? Well, one of the producers for the show said that it was so badly written, because the complex nature of the stories would confuse Americans.

    When a series is made for a huge mass of viewers, with different experiences, from different parts of the world, and a large part of them are Americans, these simplifications not only make sense, they are necessary. It’s painful for us, and for me too, but the higher level of nuance and complexity will have a smaller range, it won’t reach people. Sometimes it may go too far, but we have to make these decisions and accept them.

    At the time I thought, he was wrong. But seeing you all now, its hard to disagree. Most of you are really incapable of seeing the larger picture, and cant follow cause and effect chains for longer than one instance. Too much tiktok and putting feelings of reality. You say them and they say them, but the reality is that theres multiple groups within groups all working independent of each other. Not even MAGA is all just one thing. The most obvious divide there being to release the Epstein files or not. But you all cherry pick each of the groups, for why the whole is the worst. They do it, you do it, and its all just one giant mess of excuses for being cunts to each other all the time. Its not even about winning anymore, its just about the game. About being nasty, and making someone else feel like shit.

    And Im sorry, but thats just sad.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Well said. It's crazy how I can agree with 80% of progressive ideals but as soon as I mention I don't want men in thongs introduced to my children I get absolutely flamed.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Yikers Island

    Probably because you perform mental gymnastics to hate minorities, that's pretty disgusting

    Wtf is wrong with you?

    You deserve to be flamed for being any kind of bigot, no matter how good it makes you feel to be that bigot.

    It won't be enabled by our society any longer, if you have a problem with trans people existing, you are objectively a horrible person.

    There is no excuse you can make to be a bigot and remain a good person.

    Touch grass ffs

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    What? I'm not even talking about trans, I'm talking about drag shows for children. Quit projecting. I don't hate anyone. Our society is teetering on perverse lines of sexuality making attraction identity a sole issue in raising kids. Public school education has the bar so low, and this is where teachers make six figures.

    But there's no conversation to be had with you, with how quick you assumed who I am. I've touched enough grass. I don't sit at a keyboard.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ignoring the associations between the trans community and drag queens is intentional ignorance and you know it. There isn't an excuse for being a disgusting bigot.

    Your worldview is unacceptable for living in an equal society with others.

    Im glad you're too much of a coward to ever create your fantasy world where we end "perversiveness". Like that isn't code for LGBTQIA. You know the Nazis created the word "degenerate" right? You know puritans aren't morally just right?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lol relax. I'm not your enemy. But jeez you go through so many conclusions how you hold a conversation in real life must be wild.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    No, that rhetoric is copy/paste from the AIDS epidemic and the people who wanted the gays exterminated comparing them to drag queens. If you don't understand that then go learn about it. If you do understand that history then drop the bigot shit.

    how you hold a conversation in real life must be wild.

    If you talk about trans people like that in public you are going to get a lot worse done to you than ostracized.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If you have to lie to yourself to make your ideology make sense then it isn't valid

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    And what do you call when you are so fucking balls deep in NEEDING to be right, that you all miss the fact that someone made a silly little joke comment...

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Jesus, you people really are terrified of being wrong lol

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    “Christian”

    Theofascist.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    In what way, shape or form is that christian? It's fascism. When will the media finally call a spade a spade?

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