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[–] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

Fucking Christ the people that run Mozilla have brain worms. They are at the 10 yard line and just need to run it in, but they've tied their shoes together. Chrome enshitification is at light speed, and edge sucks and always sucked. All they have to do is the basics and they will become popular again.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    ...this might just push me onto a different browser. WHY?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Because they allowed AI and ad-revenue lovers into their leadership. This was predicted like 2 years ago.

    Just use one of the forks that removes all the bloat from firefox.

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  • [+] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • I havent used windows since version 7, but debloating makes sense when it's fast and effective like it still was with Windows 10. With Windows 11 it's so hard to debloat the OS that it just doesn't make sense anymore.

    My point is as long as it's easier to debloat, than to switch completely its valid and installing a debloated firefox is easy af.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    On mobile there's a browser that is gecko based but not Firefox based It's called WebLibre but there's no other option for desktop as far as I know

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    i looked at their readme:

    Local AI Assistance: Use on-device AI models to group tabs and manage containers effortlessly.

    🫠

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago*

    It's a SLM not a LLM it has existed since a long while in its simple form it has gotten advanced now from spellchecking to understanding what the text means, it doesn't need to crawl every day for data you train it once on a much smaller training set stuff like LanguageTool have used it for a long time, and it uses way less power it's not the bad kind of AI.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    JFC no one wants this, stop being shit.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    I honestly don't see much of a future for Firefox with all the recent push towards becoming just another corporate slop browser. We already have enough of those.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Hello there! I see you're trying to read a website...

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So is there an alternative to Firefox that works across devices and let's me run a decent adblocker?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    They can't help themselves.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Why do they waste resources on AI?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    The guys on late night Linux talked about this a while back. I don't think it's necessarily the right strategy for Firefox, but it's helpful context.

    Basically, mozilla isn't doing this for us. We're already firefox people. They're don't it for other people, and corporations, who are not already ff users.

    I can see how something like this could diminish barriers for non users.

    For my own part I hope librewolf or some other fork excludes these features.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Diminish barriers for a Web browser?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Yes. For some users no AI assistant would be a barrier to adoption.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Nobody I know would want that. Just curious, for what kind of person would this be a desired feature?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    Again, you and the people you know aren't the market they're trying to attract.

    I dont really know who would want it, but obviously mozilla does, presuming they've done some market research.

    My guess would be managed corporate infrastructure.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I know some corporates. I don't think anyone wants chat in their browser.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So, you know more about mozilla's target market than mozilla does, without the benefit of whatever market research they've done ?

    Sure, mozilla seems to be governed by idiots and has made a never ending series of bad decisions over the last decade, but I'm certain that they have a market for their Gen AI features.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    i genuinely don't understand if there's a market for people who want ai features that aren't fine with chrome

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's kind of my whole point. Mozilla needs to be an option for people who are fine with chrome.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    people who are fine with chrome are just gonna stick with chrome. by adding AI and other bullshit features, they're just pushing away people like me, who chose them specifically because they're not like chrome

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I'm in a difficult position here.

    Mozilla has taken a series of terrible strategic positions over the last decade and I'm not trying to make a case that any of those were good ideas, nor am I supporting the addition of this AI bullshit presently. I'll switch to whatever fork doesn't include these AI chat bots.

    That said, I do understand why mozilla leadership is moving in this direction.... for the millionth time, they're trying to attract the 98% of the market who presently doesn't use firefox, they're not trying to endear themselves to you - the 2% of the market who presently does use firefox.

    You can make a case that this particular feature is the wrong move, but ultimately you're arguing against extensive modelling and market research and strategic analysis conducted by a large sophisticated organisation with anecdotal insights.

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    [–] 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can I just have one thing without a fucking chatbot?

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    So annoying how they can be champions of being a non Chrome-based alternative but miss the mark so fucking hard. They will alienate their active users and fail at attracting new ones at the same time.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    IIRC they had 2% of users, which makes it hard to go lower yet they achieve it.

    https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    2.26% of users as of August, according to StatCounter. This is the lowest it's ever been, beating the previous low of 2.37% in June.

    Meanwhile, Chrome hit 69.26%, the highest I think it's ever gotten.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Remember Internet Exploder?

    All it takes is a better product.

    Firefox is heading in the opposite direction of "better".

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Is Chrome getting better? It disabled adblockers, added AI, tracks everything a user does... And keeps rising.

    People needs to start realizing Firefox losing market is 90% Google and Apple maintaining a duopoly. They only allow others to avoid lawyer fees.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I've been a Firefox/FF derivative user for two decades. Literally everything Mozilla is doing really drives me away from Mozilla products. Switching a tab-strip and extension compatible mobile browser into a crud-tab management, no extension mobile browser made me stop using Firefox as a mobile browser half a decade ago. Implementing all of this AI nonsense while increasing the CEO salary is about to drive me away from Firefox (And LibreWolf, which insists on bundling all of this in their browser).

    I just downloaded Ungoogled Chromium and will take it for a spin.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    if you're going to use chromium, you should use vivaldi.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)
  • all chromium browsers use the chrome store for extensions, so the option is either ublock origin lite or nothing. fwiw, my old ublock origin isn't disabled yet in vivaldi though so you might be able to sideload if you can get the crx.

    my default browser is firefox/librewolf though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Rocking extensions in firefox for android for years. Don't know what you all talk about

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Good for you, perhaps you've modified your Firefox through the debug menu and curate your own collection of extensions on AMO?

    Since you speak from a position of superior expertise, surely this is something you know all about.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think you might have missed it, but if an extension is marked as compatible (by the developer) you can install extensions nowadays, no need to curate your own extension list. Here is the listing.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Link me a Mozilla source that confirms the change and we'll be one step closer to "Too late for me, I stopped using Firefox years ago and I'm not going back to a company that's actively drives me away from their other products (Tested Thunderbird, uninstalled after donation ads. Currently migrating away from FF/LibreWolf). I have no trust in their ability to make reasonable products anymore."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/new-extensions-youll-love-now-available-on-firefox-for-android/

    "This milestone marks the launch of a new open extension ecosystem on mobile where developers are now free to create and publish extensions and users can easily access and install them on Firefox for Android."

    This has apparently been the case since December 2023.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    That's fair enough. Unfotunately this came too late for me, I stopped using Firefox years ago and I’m not going back to a company that’s actively drives me away from their other products (Tested Thunderbird, uninstalled after donation ads. Currently migrating away from FF/LibreWolf). I have no trust in their ability to make reasonable products anymore.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Just straying further and further from their core focus. 🙄

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Getting paid by google so they can say, "look! We are not a monopoly!"

    I am only half joking, I like firefox and use it daily but mozilla really seems intent on destroying everything good about it.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Pre release samples of the avatar:

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Oh wow been using FF for decades, and never quite put a finger on what's missing. Was it the impossibility to use conferencing software? 😀NO I WAS MISSING A PAGE BUDDY! 😀 Whoever is the PO of Firefox, fuck you

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    I've been using Firefox since it was resurrected from Netscape Navigator, but man... it feels more and more like they don't want me to use it.

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    Fucking WHY? It's a fucking web browser! Do web browser things! Not shitty customer support things!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Thank god I use a fork of Firefox and not the base

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  • stop pls we just want xul extensions not llms and chatbots

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Too many Firefox users remember "Bonzai Buddy" for "Browser Buddy" to be a good name

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Maybe if they actually prioritize wanted/long term features, they can actually raise user share.

    I'm no dev but I'm bitter JS apps (as in Electron apps) only run Blink, no Gecko.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Safe bet, it's going to be opt-out not opt-in.

    No matter what you think of Eich. The Eich era of Firefox/Mozilla was their golden years. I miss them.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I can tell. They’re certainly not working on making the browser faster.

    I’ve been a Firefox guy as long as it’s been around, I’ve been shouting from the rooftops about how it’s faster since “quantum” was released. The last few releases have been sluggish and stuttery.

    I recently had to switch to Chrome for a site that wouldn’t work correctly in Firefox. Chrome was incredibly snappy.

    To be fair, I have a shitload of windows open with a shitload of tabs open in Firefox and I had like 3 tabs open in Chrome, two of which where like the “welcome” and “what’s new” built-ins

    But uBlock Origin doesn’t work on Chrome anymore so, they can fuck off

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I like the approach from duckduckgo, it's an option to open up, and keeps you anonymous.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago

    I really like the chat bot built into the DDG browser. It's free, anonymous (proxied) LLM access. I don't see the harm in Firefox adding one.

    If you don't want it in Firefox, there will definitely be forks that don't have it.

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