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The bullet engravings as per WSJ (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world
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(later retracted)

edit: This is my collage, it's not serious. WSJ, as they say, got misleading reportings about something carved on the bullets refering to 'trans and antifa ideology' and later retracted it, probably it was designed this way to launch the scare wave and support nazi claims. Under articles discussing that, I saw a lot of jokes about 'uwu' being written on the casing, so I created this meme and posted it in c/lemmyshitpost ironizing over dumb misinfo without even thinking someone would think it's real.

A cheap collage of a bullet casing with HAIII :3 engraved on it

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[–] 77 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

Oh god, I can't wait to see this reposted as actual evidence by that one uncle ffs...

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Yeah at this point ... this is probably not a good idea.

    Further: That's a casing from a pistol round, probably 9mm, not a necked casing from a hunting rifle.

    Apparently, the entire 'trans ideology on the casings' thing ... came from our favorite divorced domestic abuser Steven Crowder, who claims that basically just someone in the ATF just sent either their own opinion or a prelim. analysis to him.

    Then, as best I can tell... the WSJ just ran with that, and then everyone else did.

    Then the NYT appears to have actually attempted to do journalism, reached out to the ATF for comment/verification, and they basically said 'wtf no, that document is preliminary at best and should not be seen as accurate'... which to me implies they couldn't even be 100% certain as to what specific document Crowder / WSJ was even referring to.

    So... hooray journalism I guess, basically everything is a wildly irresponsible gossip rag right now.

    EDIT:

    Handy dandy idiots guide to bullet cartridge calibers and casings, if anyone cares.

    Your modern rifle rounds are generally gonna be necked like the .223/5.56, generally taller, generally larger bullets.

    bullet = part that hits thing you are aiming at, ideally.

    casing = part that holds gunpowder, has primer, gets hit by firing pin, must be cleared from the chamber before next shot.

    cartridge/round = the whole package, all together.

    There are still some non necked, straight cased rounds like the 30 30, still somewhat common in lever action ("cowboy repeater") type rifles/carbines.

    There are also some smaller rounds that are necked, basically tiny, scaled down rifle style rounds, that are geared toward varmint hunting, or a personal defense context, via moving a smaller and lighter bullet faster, with relatively more gunpowder behind it.... used variously in more niche pistols, rifles, pdws, carbines.

    5.7 x 28mm (the 5-7 / P90), 4.6 x 30mm (the MP7), .17 HMR (decent array of varmint rifles), etc.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Was going to say, weren't they claiming the round was from a 30.06? It should be necked and considerably longer.

    This is turning into a worse frame up job than Luigi. Does the DoJ just tell local authorities to find a scapegoat if the shooter can't be found in 12-24 hours?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I have been over in another thread trying to figure this out.

    putting this all in spoiler tags to not blow up the formatting of the thread

    What was originally claimed was 'an older 30.06 Mauser', but that seems unlikely, primarily because almost no Mausers, K98k's, are chambered in 30.06, they're almost all in 7.92x57mm, which is not a 30.06, that'd be 7.62x63mm in metric.

    Also... yeah, it does seem like an actual 30.06, at that range of approximately 150 to 200 yards/meters... would have made a lot bigger of a hole, entry and exit wound.... more like just a good chunk of his whole neck blasted off/apart, than the hole that we saw.

    Uh, finally... this is the image from the New York Post going around that apparently is the weapon.

    This (in my semi informed, and based off a low quality image, opinion) is not an older Mauser.

    It is probably a Remington 700, or Ruger American, probably from roughly the 90s or 00's, probably in .270 or .243 or something like that.

    Basically, this looks like a roughly 20 to 30 yo, extremely common, bolt action deer hunting rifle in the US.

    Let me try to figure out how to link to my own comment in another thread.

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21325405

    It is looking to me like uh, what a surprise, initial reports are sloppy, vague and innacurate, great job Kash Patel on not having an actual suspect within 24 hrs, I guess tweeting that you've apprehended the suspect (who was actually the wrong guy) was more important.

    Oh god this is all so very, very stupid.

    This is not even a frame up job at this point, this is pure fucking chaos, everyone, including the head of the FBI, seem to be more or less just be making shit up and running with whatever their gut instinct is, or first thing they heard from some guy.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Guys, guys, guys! It's a shitpost collage I edited myself and posted in the according community. Seems like I need a big disclaimer.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    I am not gonna tell you what to and to not post.

    That would be unimaginably ironic.

    I'm not even a mod ... or anything like that.

    I am gonna say that I really hope your online profile cannot be easily tied back to your actual identity... by either random people with a vendetta... and/or possibly any information within the purview of being obtained by some kind of warrant (or DOGE style break-in) from the US government, or maybe by being leaked from some kind of right wing person that works for an ISP. Or VPN!

    Things are looking awfully dicey right now.

    The entire problem with a bunch of very, very angry and distraught people, is that they tend to believe whatever the fuck they want to, to justify and amplify their anger.

    After all, in a highly emotional state, one's feelings do not really rationally consider or evaluate any kind of facts.

    And, I guess you could say that I am deadly serious about that.

    EDIT:

    in case you are unaware

    https://www.charliesmurderers.com/

    this exists.

    So... yeah.

    Looks to me they are building a sort of Purge / 'day of the rope' type hitlist.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Thank you for going so far thinking about my safety. That's rare. Thank you for that.

    I am from another problematic state, so I'm probably safe posting that. But being there on Lemmy I feel a kind of a second-hand involvement with what haunts americans whose news are frequent there. And talking about that, making shitposts, I feel relieve as I say what I want to actually say about my own state, but would be ruined if I do.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hah, yeah, no problem on looking out for your safety.

    And yeah, I did the American thing of assuming whoever I am talking to is also American by default, unless otherwise indicated...

    But yeah, it sounds like you understand my genuine safety concern as an overriding default, at this point in time.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We russians assume just as well, and have a lot of strikingly similar behavioral patterns when we are at our lowest. I don't know which country is going faster in it's race to the bottom, and I am of course to egoistically assume it's mine. But, either way, take and have as much care as you wished me <3

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    • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    They retracted their story. The rifle recovered was allegedly a .30-06, this casing is a handgun round, more like a 9mm or so. E: op image is AI anyway.

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    • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    HAM :3

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    • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's not obvious what "HA" refers to. It could be either Habakkuk (HAB) or Hagai (HAG). However, since there's no Hagai III it has to be HAB.

    Habakkuk III:3

    God comes from Teman, And the Holy One from Mount Paran. Selah. His splendor covers the heavens, And the earth is full of His praise.

    Clearly trans ideology there.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Clearly it's Hassan. Shooter is a hexbear confirmed.

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    • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I thought it was a MAGA guy that shot him?

    (I mean when misinformation spreads like wildfire, why not rebalance things a bit)

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Until proven otherwise, I'll assume it was a Nazi who thought Charlie wasn't Nazi enough.

    Edit: called it

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean apparently the groypers had beef with him.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    The hitler groupies have beef with everyone. Fuenes has beef with Trump too apparently, recently started spewing stuff about "Jews and Communists still being in government" and pissed off about Trump not releasing the Epstein files.

    So, if according to the one conspiracy theory that Says Kirk was killed for retaliation over his Epstein opinion, Fuenes is certainly soon.

    I doubt the groypers would do this, there's no way they could be smart enough to escape as long as they have.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It probably was a gaga guy angry he was pushing for the Epstine list.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A gaga guy? Like a baby? Makes sense

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Given that both individuals that tried to enact their plots against POTUS were registered republicans, I wouldn't be surprised if some MAGA idiot did shoot Charlie over some falling out. Though my money is definitely on Mossad given recent events.

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    • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    One engraving read 'Hey Fascists, Catch!' - next to an up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol and three down arrow symbols - and another read 'If You Read This You Are Gay LMAO', Cox said.

    Published: 13:49 BST, 12 September 2025 | Updated: 16:33 BST, 12 September 2025

    - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086467/Tyler-Robinson-Charlie-Kirk-killer-identified-Utah-Trump.html

    Though these reported engravings are pretty long.

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Lol, wow, the casing was still smoking when they found it and took the picture? even though it was still chambered? And it was a different caliber than what's pictured? Also how did they fire an AI generated image out of a real rifle? So many questions...

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    • [+] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Lot of people writing on bullets these days. Must be a pretty big bullet to even fit the word "transgender" on it, let alone his whole manifesto.

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Why is it smoking? Is this AI or staged?

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    • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Ham? What kind of message is that?

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    • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Maybe the shooter was upset about the salty ham?

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    :3

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Seriously, what is that supposed to be on it? And what is it supposed to mean? I know it isn't real, but what were they going for?

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Under articles discussing that, I saw a lot of jokes about 'uwu' being written on the casing, so I created this meme and posted it in c/lemmyshitpost ironizing over dumb misinfo without even thinking someone would think it's real.

    Dang, now that we know the actual engravings it's pretty funny how close that was.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Cats love ham?

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