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[–] 204 points 1 year ago* (53 children)

In what universe is Charlie Kirk at all comparable to MLK?

Release the rest of the Epstein files. Release the Yahoo emails. Why is there a drawing of Epstein grooming children allegedly at Mar a Lago?

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He's not, and they know it. Pretending he's a martyr for as long as they can is rhetorically useful to them.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    He isn't and everyone knows it. It's what used to be trolling except it has now become a core principle and they are a full two or three generations into believing their own bullshit. It's like that guy who loves banter until you hit him with a slapper and it's a "he's gonna fight you in the parking lot" kind of situation but he called security and told them threats had been made and the cops are getting involved but it's ok because a few days later he got stabbed 7 times in Lovejoy NY for talking shit in a pool game and all was right with the world.

    Sorry I got lost on that one but you get the point.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Do you mind explaining? I checked out of politics because of a mental breakdown. I’m sure you all understand. Who’s Kirk?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Charlie Kirk, the late fascist founder of turning point USA, a fascist propaganda organization.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They both got shot, apparently, is the link. He was their guy, and he got shot. Therefore, he’s just like MLK! /s

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  • [+] -38 points 1 year ago* (35 children)

    In what universe is Charlie Kirk at all comparable to MLK?

    They're both famous guys who were in the news for things they said.

    Release the rest of the Epstein files.

    Didn't we get a big data dump that journalists are actively sifting through? FFS, the UK ambassador to the US just got sacked yesterday over the latest news.

    At least take a minute to chew and swallow before you ask for another bite.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    They're both famous guys who were in the news for things they said.

    Your history teachers failed you.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I would be very surprised if Charlie Kirk has been included in anyone's history book to date.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    If your understanding of why there are any statues of MLK boils down to “he was a famous guy who said stuff and then got shot,” your history teachers have failed you. And if that’s not your understanding, then it’s a terribly dismissive way to describe one of the greatest social traumas for Americans in the 20th century.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    If your understanding of why there are any statues of MLK boils down to “he was a famous guy who said stuff and then got shot,” your history teachers have failed you.

    If we want to get down to the nut of it, he was an icon of a large and very successful social movement who was cut down in his prime by his political opponents.

    But that does technically also qualify for Kirk. Also, for any number of Confederate General statues we'd thrown up across the nation in the wake of Jim Crow. Statues don't go to the "Good Guys", they go to the people whose movements have the wealth and the influence to build them.

    If your history teacher hasn't conveyed that message, you might need to ask her why we've got Andrew Jackson's face on our money and a pedophile carved into Mt Rushmore. Monuments and statues aren't handed out objectively. They are propaganda works erected by the wealthy and powerful to venerate historical icons. Very real possibility we end up tearing down the MLK memorial under our current President in order to clear a space for these goons, sycophants, and freaks.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    One was fighting for a better world, one for a worse one.
    One of them deserves a statue, the other one not so much.
    I just hope that those who want to have a statue of that hateful, spiteful, horrible person get what they deserve.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So you want a statue of a pedophile-defender, Kirk?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Mandelson was sacked because of the release of the birthday book by Epstein's estate, not by the government. The government did a "release" before that, but it looks like just a couple per cent was anything new. When people call for info to be released, they're probably most likely asking the government that's supposedly working for the people, not the paedo king's estate.

    The assumption is perhaps that the estate has zero interest in releasing stuff damaging to themselves, while the government theoretically should be different.

    Theoretically is the operative word here, at least for me. The government is staffed by the paedo king's associates, and they are never releasing anything. So there's never going to be anything released worth chewing and swallowing.

    But it is entertaining to watch Trump not be in control of the narrative and squirm

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    We got a Google Drive dump of data after thousands of fbi agents spent months redacting trumps name

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (11 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-08-01/epstein-files-trump-s-name-was-redacted-by-the-fbi

    That included a mountain of material accumulated by the FBI over nearly two decades, including grand jury testimony, prosecutors’ case files, as well as tens of thousands of pages of the bureau’s own investigative files on Epstein. It was a herculean task that involved as many as 1,000 FBI agents and other personnel pulling all-nighters while poring through more than 100,000 documents, according to a July letter from Senator Dick Durbin to Bondi.

    In preparation for potential public release, the documents then went to a unit of FOIA officers who applied redactions in accordance with the nine exemptions. The people familiar with the matter said that Trump’s name, along with other high-profile individuals, was blacked

    And while that one is new

    Instead, Bondi’s big Epstein files party was a bust. It turned out the documents she called declassified, which included pages from Epstein’s infamous “black book,” had been previously released, most recently during the criminal trial of Ghislaine Maxwell four years earlier.

    Their latest release also was almost entirely published info.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Hey siri,

    Find me the name of the woman Trump bought from Epstein.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    No see she was sold to Prince Andrew.
    Silly bot. I want the woman who was sold to Trump. $22,500 in the book of burthday letters.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Is that all it costs to buy a person???

    I mean, I'm still appauled it happened. I'm just also shocked it's so cheap.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Hey, it was the 90s and the birthday note does specify that she was "fully depreciated" so, you know.. whatever that terrifying part means. Its pretty fucked.

    Fun fact, you could buy a Honda Integra type R for $22,200 and still have $300 left over for the date to get a woman a more respectable way in 1996.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You don't read the things you link, i am taking it.
    Thats literally the reverse of what i am talking about.

    See its ok to say you dont know and converse. And we literally dont know from redactions.
    I don't know what I'm bothering with here. You are wrong.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You don’t read the things you link

    You don't like the answers you're being given.

    Thats literally the reverse of what i am talking about.

    You're choosing to accept Trump at face value and refusing to read between the lines.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I dont like the answers cause they are as accurate as an LLM and i am referring to a file in the data dump that was redacted that is of Trump buying a woman from Epstein and you keep linking to another victim of Epstein instead as if its the same thing.

    You literally are not paying attention and acting smug about it.
    Also that last line is so ridiculous.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    There is a big difference between. Most people who aren’t actively engaged in this type of discourse like you and I, or don’t pay meticulous attention to conservative media outlets, likely don’t know who Kirk is, let alone care.

    MLK Jr. got historically important exposure on television with the broadcast of the March on Washington, D.C. This was one of the first civil rights events to be televised. When you have a new medium to disseminate news that for the first time gives you not just the voice but the image of the people involved, I think that has a huge impact. Prior to this, MLK Jr. was a highly respected religious leader.

    Most people today, would probably have to seek out non-governmental sides of political discourse, to even know who Kirk is. I have no doubt your average conservative that watches Fox News has been exposed to Kirk, but they likely won’t recall any talking points. He wasn’t in an elected office. Today, that would probably be the only reason any lay person would listen to them.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Most people who aren’t actively engaged in this type of discourse like you and I, or don’t pay meticulous attention to conservative media outlets, likely don’t know who Kirk is, let alone care.

    Kirk's had his face plastered all over the news, his voice jammed into podcasts and radio shows, and his physical form injected into college campuses for over fifteen years running. You don't need to be an academic to know who he is, any more than you needed to be a wrestling fan to know Dwayne Johnson or a pop music obsessive to recognize Taylor Swift.

    I have no doubt your average conservative that watches Fox News has been exposed to Kirk

    That's tens of millions of people. And then you've got the average liberal who watches MSNBC or tunes in to Colbert's Late Night. They can spot him, too. And then - again - anyone on a major college campus over the last fifteen years knows this guy purely because of his reputation as National Debate-Me Bro. The man did the college circuit hundreds of times. He's been a popular meme for at least a decade. He died running his mouth at a C-list university in Utah, ffs. That's how prolific the man was.

    I would gamble that more people could recognize Charlie Kirk on sight than any of the last three Vice Presidents.

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Wow is that the original? I think we’re on volume 50 right now

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  • [–] 78 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    What has Charlie Kirk actually accomplished, though? Besides spreading hatred and bigotry, that is?

    He's like the anti-MLK. Everything he stood for is the worst that conservatism has to offer.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    He got some youths interested in politics

    I think that's it

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I mean, yes though. He was a huge influence on the reason the US is the way it is now and a big reason why so many young men think the way they do and elected the people they did.

    He accomplished a pretty huge amount of shit. Just not good shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I've heard some say "it's better for someone to get into politics and disagree with me than to be apathetic"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    On shit like tax burden and foreign policy not on who counts as a human being.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah I don't know how politics descended that far

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'll be honest, outside of Reddit/Lemmy I know exactly nothing about him. I just always assumed he was yet another far-right extremist podcaster. Like Andrew Tate, but allowed to be in the US. Side note, it took me forever to figure out who Andrew Tate was, because I think people thought I was trolling when I asked "who is this dork?".

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    To a point, yeah, but he was far more influential and sick than what used to be the average. Shapiro looks down right reasonable when compared to kirk, and kirk's outlet has managed to worm its way into schools. Like, officially.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Go ahead, hold him higher. Ring that bell as loud as you can. Identify yourselves as sycophants and fascists. Tell us what we already know.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There was a republican politician who wanted to take back the word Nazi like how black people use the N word. We are at the point in society where calling someone a Nazi, or a fascist, is not the worst thing you can do. In fact, it encourages the bootlicker to double down on their rhetoric.

    The US Republicans and moderates welcomed fascism. How convenient as it's at a time where mostly all WW2 vets have passed away. The irony of their grandchildren welcoming the same evil they fought against.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is the martyr they wanted for whatever reason to finally roll out their next phase. He'll be used to lock up/kill anyone that says anything negative about the administration. They're treating this nazi like he was jesus fucking christ.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Umm, they were already kind of doing that

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We're going 120 mph into fascism and then Charlie is killed and they go "now you've done it! This is a turning point!!" and increase the speed to 130 mph.

    Dealing with conservatives is an endless sequence of "this is common sense, but how does that relate to Trumpers?"

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago

    You have a statue of MLK because he deserved it.

    You should not get a statue for Kirk for the same reason that there is no statue of Joseph Göbbels in Berlin.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Kirk organised but did not attend the so-called “Stop the Steal” protests after Trump lost the 2020 election and helped coordinate buses for the 6 January 2021 rally led by Trump near the White House, where the outgoing Republican president urged the crowd to “fight, fight, fight” to overturn his defeat by Joe Biden.

    Putting a monument for this turd in the capital he tried to overthrow is just perfectly republican. These people are going to milk this guys death for the next dozen years at least.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Conservative, not Republican. Wilson, a Democrat and tied with Jackson for worst president ever, though Trump is working towards that but I digress. Wilson is responsible for authoring Southern Revisionist History, the refounding of the KKK, and all those Confederate statues that we finally started tearing down.

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    Remember kids, fascists need a martyr & will happily make their own if needed.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Do it, I would love a place my dog can take a shit if I ever visit.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Putting Charlie Kirk's giant face up across the street from the MLK memorial would be a real "What do they stand for?" moment for generations to come.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    Yeah go ahead. Put it with a plaque that says what will be his famous quote "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year".

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Worst administration ever.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hope his statue looks absolutely ridiculous. Like it's based off the edits of the man with an extra tiny face

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