Living within 1 kilometer walking distance of a grocery store is amazing. Instead of expensive fast food I can get comparatively inexpensive deli food. And if I want to be frugal and cook meals myself, cheap beans, rice, fresh meat, dairy, and produce are all available. Plus, I get a nice daily walk instead of checks notes from a previous life drive twenty minutes to the gym each day to walk on a treadmill.
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Forgot the gym membership. With a car you can drive to the gym to walk on a treadmill.
these days $45 at costco is like two things, and $50 at a regular grocery store is six things.
but the analogy still holds that walking is much cheaper.
I just spent about 150 my last trip and I'm set for a month. No oj though, it's expensive there, too. I could have gotten more but I held back in case I don't get back for a minute.
ETA: I don't have a car and the walk would take days.
Yeah I've been price comparing by unit volume between aldi and BJs cause my dad put me on his BJs membership-
Almost nothing is cheaper at BJs. Rice is. A whole bundle of coconut milk is cheaper.
But like... Unless you're already buying brand names it's frankly a bad deal 😅 and even then I'm curious how much better than Walmart it might actually be
BJs offered us a deal so we took it.
Almost every product there (all name brand) costs the same as buying the generic brand at Walmart. Cereal, yogurt, Mac and cheese, toilet paper, I have compared all of it while we have the one year membership.
Sure, I get name brand, and Jif is better than great value, but I have saved nothing. Won't be renewing when they actually expect me to pay the membership. Sam's club beats Walmart by a little bit but not a lot, and I dont have a Costco or Aldi's near me. How does Aldi's stack compared to BJ's?
Thank you for sharing, that's super helpful!
Aldi seem almost always cheaper or the same price compared to BJ's, as everything at Aldi with a small number of exceptions is store brand. Even buying in smaller quantities many things are cheaper at Aldi, by at least a little bit.
The exceptions I saw were things like rice since you can buy store brand jasmine at BJs in a huge 25 lb bag, which if I remember is a good deal compared to Aldi (obs ignoring membership cause you can't really factor that in). Basmatti was even steeper of a deal I think, since Aldi sells less basmatti and so only sells a smaller bag and for a bit more money. And I do remember dry black beans being cheaper but I believe that was even cheaper at Walmart. That might also be true for canned coconut milk which I think was cheaper at BJs, but it might be a bit cheaper still at Walmart, I don't recall.
Milk has weirdly been way cheaper for me at target in my area, than basically anywhere else, which feels very strange, but it's close to me and I'm usually there to pick up perscriptions anyway so it's not too inconvenient to get only milk there.
It's been a bit since I did price comparisons though, and my memory is exceptionally bad 😅. I almost always shop at Aldi so I don't compare them ongoing, I just went through the process of checking a bunch of things recently.
Shopping at Aldi I would generally expect you to save a bit of money vs BJ's unless you're buying stuff you can buy at BJs in much larger volume.
Plus Aldi doesn't make political campaign donations, and as such isn't using my money to purchase my political institutions away from me, which I very much appreciate
Cool thanks for the info.
Also didn't know bjs was donating lije that. Terrible.
Almost all companies do unfortunately, Aldi is a somewhat rare exception
You can look up what companies do or don't, and which parties they support with the Goods Unite Us app or website, it's handy :)
There was a comm here on lemmy where people posted screenshots of the apps overview for various companies, which was neat, but I haven't seen any posts from it for a while
Whoa, you can get a BJ membership? I thought it was something you always had to pay for each time.
Can you shop at BJs without a membership...?
Its a wholesale club, like sams and Costco. But yes, you can get a membership, I think that's the default/standard way of shopping there, shopping without a membership I think would be an exception to the norm
Is there like an option to pay an added fee on top of whatever you're buying to be able to shop without membership? If so, how much is it?
Where are you shopping where you can get a weeks worth of food for only 50
£50 would be pushing 2 weeks for both of us. We normally spend £20-30 a week between us. May reduce it further as my garden becomes more productive, already never need to buy rosemary, thyme, sage, chives or mint again.
I'm intrigued what you could be buying where a weeks worth of food for a couple only costs you £30. Like, what do your daily meals (breakfast, lunch, dinner) look like?
IIRC the following is roughly what we bought for this week, obviously some ingredients left over from previous weeks and some won't be completely used and gets used in following weeks.
- Fresh: 3kg carrots, 1.5kg potatoes, 500g leeks, 250g spinach, bunch of bananas, 100g mushrooms, 12 eggs, 900g cheddar
- Regular size tins: Chopped tomatoes x3, mixed beans x2
- Other: 500g rice, 1kg pasta, quite a bit of honey/vinegar for making chuntey, frozen peas, 1.5kg flour, cinnamon, cloves
I grow quite a few of my own herbs to help as well: Rosemary, sage, thyme, chives, mint. Adding oregano soon. My garden is fairly small so only growing herbs rather than veg but hopefully getting an allotment soon. I also forage for fruits when they are in season, made 2L of apple chutney this week which is why I needed the honey/vinegar, though could do with a proper stockpot to do it in larger quantities.
If you don't have a garden, the herbs I am growing would be pretty easy options for some guerilla gardening. Maybe not the mint as it can be a bit invasive. There is even a large rosemary bush near one of the supermarkets in town here that I have taken cuttings from before. A little cheeky but you could probably even take a little cutting from someones front garden if you are desperate.
That does not sound like enough for six meals per day...
I don't eat 6 meals per day
No, but as a couple you probably eat three each?
2 or 3. I forgot to list bread but that costs like £0.45, also that list is only stuff I bought this week, still got oats left from the previous week for example. But I am unlikely to need to buy more cheese next week. Overall it comfortably works out to £20-30 a week, varying a bit depending on more expensive purchases like bulk packs of toilet roll or cheese being among the most expensive single item purchases we have but are not bought most weeks.
I get groceries for a week in auckland at about 70. Considering auckland is the most expensive city in my country, I reckon 50 is fesible in other cities.
If you're single and no kids, it's very doable. Considering this person prefers an active lifestyle, they probably don't spend money on junk food.
Eggs, milk, bread and some vegetables and maybe some fish. Add some soap and hygiene every once in a while then about 50 sounds about right.
My average was around 25 bucks with about a trip every 4 or 5 days or so unless some kind of splurge is added.
Salmon is 9 dollars a pound at Aldi's milk is 2 bucks eggs are like 2-3.
Deodorant is about 3-4 dollars. Protein powder is like 2 dollars a serving at Aldi's if I remember right?
Anyways when I go to Aldi's I usually spend about fifty and that lasts a few days. I have three people in my house though and a growing teen. You can definitely do 50 a week on lean diet that requires you to cook every meal but the more people in the house and the more you work the less this is viable and the more you have to rely on premade shit.
Aldi's is the shit tho. 8 bucks for three pounds of ground turkey goes a long way
This is assuming you live in a walkable town or neighborhood. I remember a reddit post (can't find it anymore) of a guy trying to walk less than 2 miles to an appointment in Orlando. He followed Google Maps directions down the shoulder of a highway that led to a dead-end, backtracked, tried again, and finally made almost all the way to his destination, which was on the opposite side of a 6-lane highway Google wanted him to cross.
I've only ever visited the theme parks in Orlando, but I experienced one intersection I had to share with cars. I spent every walk sign waiting for cars making a turn to yield. Even though I had the right of way, literally none of them did, until I finally had to run across the street because the cars at the red light, who could see I was 1/3 through the intersection, floored it the second their light turned green. Sure, fuck all of those car-brained drivers who refuse to yield to pedestrians, but also fuck that city for not fining drivers for shitty behavior, or at least changing their traffic lights so all cars have red lights when pedestrians have the walk sign.
Anyway, point is, personal choices are important, but they can't overcome the systemic issues created by car culture without collective action. And Orlando sucks ass.
The whole "turn right on red" in north America baffles me as a European.
Oh, this wasn't even a right on red. The green light for cars was lined up with the walk sign for pedestrians going rhe same direction. In a situation like that, when a car with a green light needs to turn through the crosswalk, they are supposed to yield to any pedestrian crossing at that time, but apparently the people of Orlando have so much car entitlement that they don't even slow down when a pedestrian is standing in the middle of the crosswalk trying to complete a legal crossing.
American here, this is just as stupid and dangerous as it sounds. The idea is that it's very easy to check for pedestrians before turning but literally almost no one even looks. Even if the crosswalk light is lit they don't notice and just plow right through.
Id argue the idea is that its easy to check for cars as you only need 1 lane of traffic. Traffic engineers don't really consider the needs and safety of pedestrians, they just do the bare minimum to accommodate them. And the engineers that do try to care about pedestrians are told things like "well thats not how its done in this book from the 50s" or "that would reduce our throughput by 5% meaning we'd need to invest in another car lane"
In NYC it isn't allowed and now I think it's insane we allow it everywhere else.
I know this is fuckcars, but I personally I think it makes sense. Our brothers in Lithuania are also doing it (tbf there needs to be a specific sign next to the light saying you can do it).
The less people spend waiting on pointless traffic lights, the faster cars get to their destination, the less cars there are on the street. At least that's how I view it.
All of this is of course keeping in mind to always yield to a pedestrian.
it works great if you just break check the fucker that's trying to turn, if you lack the confidence it works less well
Congrate, your first sentence figured it out.
Maybe you just got here but bud I’m getting so tired of people assuming that people like the person in the post aren’t also the same people screaming for better infrastructure so we can ditch this high dependence on cars. We know that not everywhere is like this and that’s why we also have a MOUNTAIN of examples of even the shittiest places in the US, but also all over the world, doing things to build better for not that much money.
The entire point of the post is to show that people who fight against that change don’t have much of an argument. We know how things are but they don’t need to be like forever. Nearly every city used to be a 15min city before the car and then 50-100 years ago we fucked it all up(because of bribes from car manufacturers) and kept that shit train rolling.
Yeah, that would be a great point if the entire post wasn't a 4Channer framing this as personal choices and not systemic ones. The dudes not talking about how the car industry destroyed railcars, he's dunking on people who drive to the grocery store, and the implication is clearly, "everyone can and should do this," which is bullshit.
Except there are places where that’s true. There are also people in places with the same mindset who buy trucks for twice the price of a reasonable hatchback and act like the extra $30k+ is less than occasionally renting a U-Haul.
You not being smart doesn’t diminish my point.
Except there are places where that’s true. There are also people in places with the same mindset who buy trucks for twice the price of a reasonable hatchback...
Yeah, I never said this wasn't true, but again, none of that is in the fucking post. The dude's not making a nuanced point about people who live in walkable areas but buy large trucks over sensible hatchbacks. He's making a sweeping statement about how people who don't walk to the grocery store are idiots, but America has the walking score of a developing nation; if you live somewhere where you can walk to the grocery store, you're breathing rarefied air, and calling other people stupid for driving is entitled.
Like, what are you so pissy about? That I was responding to the content of the post instead of the points you assume the 4Channer would make, but didn't? OK buddy, in the future, I'll try to infer what you presume the OP's hidden beliefs are and tailor my comment to that. Seems reasonable.
So you get to have all the nuance but they don’t? Ok, buddy.
The fuck are you talking about? Yeah, they don't get to have the nuance; it's not in the fucking post. It's a pithy 50ish words about how they're so much smarter than other people for not driving to the grocery store. I pointed out the reality is more nuanced than that for most people, and your whole response has been, "yeah, well, they probably know that, so why don't just act like their response is nuanced?" To which the answer continues to be, "Because that's not what they fucking said, are you high?"
Wahh wahh oh my god, dude. Congrats, you showed up and started running your mouth like you had access to special information and were teaching people that there are places without good infrastructure. We know this already, and I even showed you other extremely related examples.
Yes, you’re a very special smarty-pants thank you for this wonderful and definitely new take that will totally help and isn’t at all the same old tired shit that constantly bloats the discussion.
Wahh wahh I've seen comments like this before, I need jump into someone else's mentions to get pissy about it for 20 hours, wahh. I wasn't even replying to you dude, imagine how much time we both could have saved if you'd just downvoted my comment instead of appointing yourself arbiter of the FuckCars discourse.
My car costed less than 6k. But yeah 1-2k on maintainence, $1200 insurance and probably 2k on gas every year. E-bikes looking very interesting.
Our cargo bike cost 5k€. It basically replaces the car for day to day. Commute, groceries, daycare run. We only use the car for longer trips or the odd airport pick up run.
Gotta be dope having it not be -10°c for 40% of the year…
Cycling in the cold really is no problem.
Well I don’t handle the cold well, and we often have 10-20cm of snow in the winter… no bueno
Finns would like to have a word: Why Canadians Can't Bike in the Winter (but Finnish people can)
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU
What do you spend 1k a year on maintenance on?
I’ve had two cars before that took about 1k yearly on maintenance. One just had a weird electrical issue that I hoped would actually get fixed eventually (and a tie rod just fell off at one point) and the other car’s A/C went out a couple times, requiring maybe 400USD to recharge. That car was totaled before the AC was ever fixed.
It's always something with a 20 year old car. Tires, brakes, fluid changes, oh the radiator is leaking, oh a sway bar link broke, oh I destroyed a tire on a pothole, oh I will try in vain to sus out that error code again.
Ok everyone. Make weekly groceries $200 and Costco $190. Does that make a difference about the point of this post? Ya’ll…
I looked at their website and I don't get it, Aldi seems to be cheaper already so why would I bother with costco?
The only thing costco really has going for it is the odd item that is truly on sale, dependable low prices on some stuff, and quality control. Quality control is the big one. I can't remember most of the tests now, but when olive oil was being looked at, costco was one of the two brands out of something like 32 that was actually what it said on the label. On a couple of other things as well that I remember, like honey, they had the same finding.
It's also ignoring how this person spent so much in gas if they're able to walk everywhere. Surely they're talking public transportation, biking, or they simply have 4 extra hours a day.
But yes owning a car is an expensive grift, but it's one that's hard to avoid in many parts of the US
Here on Copenhagen:
- Buy a bicycle for 4000 dkk.
- Bike less than 1 km to arrive at Netto/Rema 1000/lidl/Coop 365.
- Buy a kanelsnegle for 8 dkk.
Kanelsnegle doesn't even sound like a real word.
Edit: It's a cinnamon bun.
Kanelsnegle is the plural of kanelsnegl, so I understand the confusion. It should've been a kanelsnegl.
It literally translates to cinnamon snail.
This is also coincidentally how the math works on big box stores.
- Big box parking lot/strip mall opens
- Save $100 on groceries annually
- Pay $150 extra in taxes and gas to maintain and drive on an additional 10 miles of road
- Local options shut down, prices go up, and it takes 5 extra minutes to get to box store with increased traffic.
- Box store eventually closes due to not being in suburb anyway.
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