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[–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Still, always good practice to change your password after this sort of leak. However unlikely it is that someone could access your account, it's never a bad idea.

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[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

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[–] TieDyePie@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

I bet the 2FA secret was leaked too though...

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[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Glad I started out with Jellyfin

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago*

I mean, jellyfin is absolutely even.more of a security nightmare than Plex, with multiple unfixed CVEs IIRC (software, not website or forum)

I use jellyfin also, but I only trust it not exposed to the internet at all. That is one very big area of improvement for them.

That and subtitle syncing.

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[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Same here.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 71 points 1 year ago (27 children)

Went there to update my password but got reminded what a horrible experience Plex is these days, so deleted my account instead.

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[–] KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago

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[–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Wdym it's like a couple of clicks

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[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

They're probably just using some shit browser or something. I had no issues either.

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[–] twotonebax@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Same lol, using jellyfin now instead

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[+] Squizzy@lemmy.world -8 points 1 year ago (22 children)

I'll probably get the lifetime pass after seeing how cumbersome setting up jellyfin is.

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[–] TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Personally, I found it as easy as Plex. I started my self hosting journey with Plex and Minecraft servers on a windows pc. Now I'm launching docker containers over ssh and lxc containers in proxmox for Jellyfin. Minecraft is still the hardest thing to host lol

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[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Minecraft is still the hardest thing to host lol

I'm actually considering hosting a Luanti / "MineTest" server for this experience, since my wife lost her Minecraft account / key thingy since the time we played in beta ages ago haha.

I wonder if it's any easier to host or not. 🤔

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[–] artiman@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

minetest is on maintenance mode so they can focus on the engine itself luanti you should use mineclonia from luanti it's much more fleshed out

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[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago

Hey that's super helpful, I really appreciate it! Thank you! I haven't checked in on the project(s) in quite a while. :)

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[–] princeofspace@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Jellyfin setup is fairly effortless. They have a very long way to catch up on apps though. That’s all that’s keeping me in plex.

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[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Installing jellyfin is as easy as setting up any self hosted thing though... Just use docker compose if you want simplicity.

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[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

And secure remote access for me and my friends and family?

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[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Wireguard is also very simple to setup. This would allow you to share other services you host in the future in a secure way as well.

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[–] bagodogs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

Your mom's Tizen TV doesn't have a Wireguard or Tailscale client, so you're going to be the person configuring her router, or setting up a Pi or something, as well as now being the designated tech support.

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[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Its not hard to setup a proxy and use a full SSL cert. A little bit more complex but much simpler for the rest of the family.

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[–] bagodogs@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

You suggested Wireguard, not me. I'm pointing out how it isn't a great solution to the problem that was presented; you can safely access it remotely with a VPN, but then that isn't very useful for sharing with others, and you can expose the service to the internet at large, but then you're opening yourself to risk.

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[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

Yes that's why I suggested a alternative. Although wireguard is simpler to setup initially. Using proxy's and exposing your service directly is simpler for the end user. Both are not difficult to do.

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[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

It takes fairly little effort to set up Jellyfin. I think there's scripts these days that set up the entire arr stack for you in a matter of minutes.

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[–] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

I have jellyfin setup. What do you mean the entire arr stack?

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[–] remon@ani.social 3 points 1 year ago*

It's a bunch of programs for automated torrent downloads. No idea what it has to do with setting up jellyfin, though.

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[–] ginza@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (6 children)

They mean a script that will install tools like Sonarr, Radarr, Prowlarr etc

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[–] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

Are these things worth it? At the moment I am manually downloading what I need from Usenet.

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[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

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[–] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I finished setting it up and boy this is life changing! I will have to add a few more TB to my storage!

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[–] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I managed to do it yesterday for radarr and it is quite something! I have never felt the need to be honest. It feels like there is quite the initial setup and then it should work seamlessly. I just never had the time to do it.

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[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

Personally it's quite nice. I just request what I want to watch and the system grabs it automatically. It can download from Usenet too.

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[–] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago

Cool! I'll try to look into it. Thank you!

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[+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

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[–] KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml [S] 13 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

In general, for self-hosting, we hardly rely on remote service/server. The whole idea of self-hosting is to shun dependency on external service/server, and run everything on your own hardware and network. So that every aspect of the service is in your control. I don't think self-hosting comes with much risk, unless you make your service available on Internet.

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[+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Which is exactly why I never installed Plex and went straight to Jellyfin

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[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

Was on the fence for a long time, and I made the move just recently (after the pricing changes. Didn't effect me since I was grandfathered in, but I saw it as a harbinger for worse things to come) With the creation of Wizarr, it solved my biggest problems with Jellyfin. I can just send an invite link, and it creates accounts for people on Jellyfin, Audiobookshelf, and Kavita, and lets me set up introductory guides for everything. Despite the menu UI/UX being significantly worse than Plex, playback is smoother, load times are shorter, and it can actually handle streaming to really slow internet speeds, something that Plex had a lot of trouble with.

The only app I noticed missing was the Tizen app, but they are working on getting it approved. I only had one family member using a Tizen TV, so I just gave them an old chromecast to run off of instead.

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[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

Jellyfish cannot to setup to securely and safely be exposed to the Internet. It is only safe to access through a VPN. That rules it out as an option for sharing with friends, family, or even my own spouse. You call it phoning home to the mother ship; I call it paying Plex to manage user authentication for me. Until Jellyfin's security holes are patched and it becomes clear that the Jellyfin developers actually care about security, it stays locked down to my LAN. Setting up a VPN is difficult for the average user on a good day, impossible in some circumstances on even the best of days, and is not access I want to hand out (and support) to all the people I share my Plex with anyway.

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[–] KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml [S] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

https://tailscale.com/ This is essentially a mesh Wireguard Tunnel connectivity that ensures only you can access your service remotely.

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[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago

That's not very helpful for connecting family, friends, and especially grandma.

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[–] gerowen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I dropped it in favor of Jellyfin some time back, but this was a good excuse to go ahead and delete my family's accounts.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago (30 children)

Meanwhile I made a post asking if plex is bad now and most people on it said "no it's great I paid for my lifetime pass years ago and its been the best!" Yeah, we know the truth now.

Jellyfin all the way.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Seems unlikely that this happened. Most people on Lemmy despise Plex and forgive all the shortcomings of Jellyfin

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[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Thats what I thought too. But I posted on ask lemmy, not here.

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[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (9 children)

What are the 3 biggest shortcomings of Jellyfin ?

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

Well it's just generally buggy firstly. Glitchy UI for me especially for hours after I started scanning my media library.

Also it has no built-in system for connecting from somewhere outside your home. You have to manage that yourself.

Then there's the fact that it's got lots of security issues.

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[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

What do you mean with glitching UI ? Is it more than just not responding while scanning ?

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

I left the scan running for an hour or so, came back and it showed, maybe all, of my shows and seasons. However, on certain views, it would not list episodes that definitely exist. The page looked kind of broken. I thought "okay I'll give it more time". An hour or two later, same deal. Cleared browser cache multiple times. Nothing worked. Came back the next day and it was "fixed". But that experience felt pretty janky.

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[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

I had something similar when I used XMBC (I think it's called kody now) and it seems it was because there was some confusion with the scrapper to imdb and it needed some manual override file. You had to create a .nfo file or something like that, that told the scrapper the right imdb number or other exact identifier for it. I wouldn't be surprised if the people at plex have some way to know of all the custom fixes people do and with that, when you have some issue recognizing some content, they can figure out what most people do.

I would be surprised if jellyfin has any way to to know what the users are doing so that wouldn't work

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago

That's not what this was though, because it eventually fixed itself. I couldn't begin to diagnose the bug, but the way I have my stuff organized works in jellyfin, but something about it's scanner and/or database seems to have issues.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So you didn't care, just wanted to downvote. Cool.

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[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

I haven't installed jellyfin, I'm never installing plex, I would just use samba shares over vpn instead of that.
I wanted to know what's the problem with jellyfin ?
Is it more than the weekend-destroying linux-jankiness ?
Because I can deal with that

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago

I listed three things. I didn't have the patience to suss out what might be wrong with it because Plex required no fiddling and afaik does not have any open security issues.

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[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

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[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People don't seem to understand that no-one can reasonably stop a breach today.
The question is whether the attackers got anything of value and how easy they got in.

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[–] anas@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

This breach was, in fact, very preventable. Plex didn’t need to force users to authenticate with a central server to access their own self-hosted media in the first place.

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[–] remon@ani.social 5 points 1 year ago

Even is plex is "bad" now ... it's still way ahead of jellyfin.

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[–] icylobster@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Plex hasn't been getting better, but it still does what I need. I have a lifetime pass from years ago. If I was starting today I would be a lot less inclined to pay for Plex though. They keep adding things I don't want.

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[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 18 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

I'd love to switch. I would do it right now, but the problem is that Jellyfin's security isn't better if you open it up to the internet. For example, I'd have to set up a VPN for my remote users for proper security, and most of my users are in other states, not technically inclined, and watch on their TVs. I'd have to at least support a raspberry pi for them, or some sort of site to site VPN, and if it goes down, I'll be expected to fix it. On top of that, if I do a simple raspberry pi based VPN, it would be made even more complicated since they'd want it to work with their smart TVs.

Again, I really want to switch. But Jellyfin needs to fix their security issues before I can. I'm also happy with the way Plex is reporting this, it's above the standard "your data is lost" notifications.

Edit: here's a link to the related GitHub issue I've been following: https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415

And @Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com has a great thread explaining more: https://lemmy.today/comment/18923504

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[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

My big complaint with Jellyfin is that their documentation showed a “fast forward” hotkey that convinced me to switch from Plex, and when I started it up it was a misnamed “jump forward five seconds” button instead.

It’s still better for my needs, but I remain angry.

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[–] bagodogs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jellyfin is great... As long as you're the only one who needs to access the server. I've switched to using Jellyfin myself, but I still run Plex for others to access.

I've found that I get a smoother playback experience on Jellyfin, but even outside of potential security issues, there are a still couple of features I miss from Plex.

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[–] Seefoo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

What are those features?

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[–] bagodogs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

One was automatic collections, but the plugin for this has since been updated, and the bug I was experiencing has been fixed. The one remaining feature that I'm missing is user ratings for media. On Plex I have automatic collections of movies that I've rated four and five stars, and it's quite useful.

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[–] exu@feditown.com 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Most of these require some form of random id to exploit, which leaves you either brute forcing ids or brute forcing a user account

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[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago

I mean, that's fine, but it's still an issue and a risk that would cause me to want to use VPN for remote viewing. It doesn't seem like security is Jellyfin's priority at the moment, not that it's Plex's either, but it's not to a place where it's worth it to switch from a security standpoint, personally.

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[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

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[–] exu@feditown.com 0 points 1 year ago

I don't have an issue with Plex. I don't use it

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you for that issues link. I keep trying jellyfin every now and then and I run into issues with general bugginess so I haven't been able to switch. Seeing that it's kinda full of security holes makes me even more reticent.

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago

This is the same reason I haven’t switched. My parents use it to watch the local OTA channels and I have zero intention of supporting a site to site VPN on their home network and multiple mobile devices.