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[–] 101 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

The first half of the book is great.

The second half has ads that take up more and more of the page until you reach a page that is just ads and a QR code.

When you scan the code, it takes you to a website asking you to pay a subscription for the remaining pages.

(If you rate five stars, they send a 10% discount code to your email and add you to a newsletter list without an unsubscribe button.)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Do you have any screenshots? And is it the retail version or is it some early version? Retail's supposed to only come out in October.

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    Expected release date: 7 October 2025

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    He has the first hour and a half (of 9) in his latest podcast, if you want a real preview: https://craphound.com/podcast/2025/08/28/enshittification-episode-500/

    I decided to order the epub because no matter how I try, I can’t enjoy Wesley’s voice (sorry Will).

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I agree with you about Wesley (🤮), but that's not really relevant to this book?

    Cory recorded the audio himself to my understanding (listened to his appearance on the QAA podcast), and it sounds like his voice reading it on the linked podcast.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Wow, my brain really failed me here! I ALSO listened to Picks and Shovels recently, which was narrated by Will Wheaton, and somehow the voices got switched in my memory. You are correct, Cory recorded this himself.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Anyone read other books of his and if so, do you recommend them?

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    His ideas are fantastic. Execution and characterization are spotty. Been a while since I read anything of his, but IIRC, he has a tendency to dip into surrealism or absurdity that feels cringey instead of his artistic target.

    In some ways, it's similar to a lot of Golden Era SF. You read it for the ideas, not the story.

    I do have a favorable opinion of him and his work. I'd really enjoy Doctorow being paired with a traditional fiction author and both being rode herd by a hardass SF editor.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I assume this is specific to his fiction?

    Very much my experience with Walkaway. Unauthorized bread (short story) was a little better executed imo.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I find the non-fiction stuff he writes good (e.g. The Internet Con, Chokepoint Capitalism). I believe this book is like that?

    I found his fiction, based on the one book (The Lost Cause) I read, to be a bit juvenile in style (as in feels like a young adults kind of book) to the point I didn't quite enjoy it, although the topics are interesting enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    For non-fiction I've read Chokepoint Capitalism and The Internet Con. The Internet Con was a lot like his online essays, to the point where it felt redundant, but he does good essays so if you haven't read them it's a good way to get around his work. Chokepoint Capitalism was a little more novel (probably in part because he coauthoured). Neither were very dry, which is significant for the genre.

    Fiction, I've read Walkaway and Unauthorised Bread. Walkaway is good worldbuilding with both fascinating and bizarre ideas, but I don't think it's good fiction. Unauthorised Bread is a short story available online and is excellent.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    This is Frickin sick.

    I must get a copy, i love this authors writing. I also very much enjoy he respects the right of ownership and anti-drm

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's spelled "enshittification."

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    An older book I frequently refer to:

    On Bullshit | Princeton University Press https://share.google/DaiZS6wG7SiOCdRcg

    "One of the most prominent features of our world is that there is so much bullshit. Yet we have no clear understanding of what bullshit is, how it’s distinct from lying, what functions it serves, and what it means."

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Google has its own tdl now. Kinda fucked.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even wilder to me is that they own the *.new TLD. So they have shortcuts like sheets.new and doc.new, which take you to those respective documents in Google Focs. And that's neat for people using them, and unfortunate for literally everyone else in the world who might want to make a fun *.new domain.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Is it about how everyone is using the term wrong and it doesn't mean anything anymore?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why do you think everyone is using the term is wrong? Plenty of words get overused until they become meaningless but I have mainly seen enshittification used to refer to large companies significantly degrading their product in a bid to increase profits which is what I understand it to mean. If it's used a lot, it's because it's happening a lot (often by companies who built their products in the zero interest rate, infinite money era and now have to face the new reality).

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  • [+] -19 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Audiobook? Bah, I remember when books were for reading.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm glad to hear that. It's unfortunate that the blurb only described it as an audio book, so I went by without looking into it further.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    Doctorow doesn't allow DRM on his works (both print and audio) so he can;t distribute through sites lilke Amazon that require it. Instead he runs a kickstarter to pay actual talent to do the audio and distributes through smaller channels.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    What? No you don’t. Oral book readings predate regular book reading as a widespread practice by literally thousands of years.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Yeah, but that was because in those days most people were actually illiterate, which in recent history we considered a bad thing and tried to avoid, but it seems to be making a comeback unfortunately.

    (Nothing against audiobooks specifically, you gotta do what you gotta do, just suggesting the decline in literacy in general is worrisome)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Not true, even highly educated Roman and Greek elites would attend book readings. It was considered a leisure activity and was appreciated as the performance it was, same as today.

    In fact today we have more reasons than ever to listen to audiobooks, the most significant of which is that it’s not legal nor advisable to read a physical book while driving a motor vehicle.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Somehow, I don't think the original commenter was referring to their memories of ancient Greece or Rome...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Well yeah, because the original commenter wasn’t referring to their memories of any period of time, because the period of time they’re referring to doesn’t exist.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It existed in the 90s and early 00s when I was growing up, before streaming tech took over audio books.

    Just because the concept of reading books out loud already existed, doesn't mean that they don't remember a time when it wasn't more popular than just reading.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    It existed in the 90s and early 00s

    I was around in the 90s and early 00s and I can assure you it very much did not. The popularity of audiobooks grew significantly in the 90s. Books on tape had been a thing for awhile already and the popularity of audiobooks on CD exploded in the early to mid 90s. You could buy or even rent them from music stores, libraries, video stores, even supermarkets. They even had little listening stations where you could hear the first chapter of popular books before buying them.

    In 1995 Audible was founded and brought about the advent of digital audiobooks downloaded from the internet which only accelerated their popularity. By the time the 00s started audiobooks were a multi billion dollar industry.

    doesn't mean that they don't remember a time when it wasn't more popular than just reading.

    Well that’s also a misunderstanding of the history of Audiobooks because I believe even today audiobooks are not more popular than reading physical books. So that time you “remember” would be… the present. So what is your point here exactly, you think OP is turning his nose up at audiobooks out of a sense of superiority due to his memories of a time where listening to books being read existed but was less popular than it is now in the future, but also in the past? Like we somehow peaked during some minuscule point in time where listening to books was at a lower point than others? Oook

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    @EncryptKeeper @prole I didnt understood the last parte, you are saying that audiobooks are not more popular than reading but more people listen to audiobooks than reading?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    More people don’t listen to audiobooks than reading today. But there was never “A time where books were for reading [as opposed to listening to]”

    People have been listening to books for millennia. And before books they were listening to the things we now put in books. If you go back far enough more people did listen to books more than read them. And if we reach that point again, it won’t be some newfangled idea it would just be something we’ve done for thousands of years becoming very popular again.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I'm just puzzled... I mean yeah, no shit, people read books out loud all of the fucking time, particularly before literacy became so common.

    But what is the point? What is it that you actually thought I meant with my previous comment? That oral tradition didn't exist in the 90s? What??

    Because it seems like that's the point you're arguing against.

    I thought it was pretty clear that I meant more people tended to read than listen to audio books in the 90s. And that's how I interpreted the original comment.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I thought it was pretty clear that I meant more people tended to read than listen to audio books in the 90s.

    More people tend to read than listen to audio books today. Despite that audiobooks are very popular today. They were also very popular in the 90s and 00s. So I guess I’m still wondering what exactly your point is? Having books read to you is popular today, it was popular in the 00s, it was popular in the 90s, it was popular 200 years ago, it was popular 2,000 years ago, etc.

    people read books out loud all of the fucking time, particularly before literacy became so common.

    That’s just it, it was not particularly before literacy became so common. People read books out loud all the time before literacy was common, and they did it all the time after literacy was common. They do it all the time today. It’s a thing we’ve collectively been doing for one reason for another for thousands of years so I don’t understand where you or OP are coming from when you refer to is as being something that’s normal now but not “before”. Especially with OPs tone of righteous indignation against it.

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