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[–] 44 points 1 year ago

Seems technically plausible, I'd like a group to try to simulate such an attack with the hardware pieces involved, implementing this in a proof-of-concept... let's see the Rockland hand recount as well and compare against official results. Until then it still sounds like a cuckooo conspiracy to me.

Things being where they are, and with how many MAGA supporters showed their true colours from brainwashing, at this point I would rather take the opportunity for the US to associate MAGA Republicanism with this dark time on the brink of fascism, than coast into mediocrity. It's a huge risk, but with the number of people united, coming together this weekend tells me there's a chance the people of America could come out stronger than their tyrannical President, spineless Congress and Supreme Court.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But the evidence has to be ironclad to be actionable or else we're no better then them.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Context: I worked in IAM (computer security) at a past job.

    In computer security, we don't wait to get proof that a vulnerability was exploited. We have to operate under the assumption that any vulnerability was immediately exploited, and take immediate action to fix it and limit the impact. Doubly so when the stakes are high.

    We need popular support to get real security experts to investigate these claims. If there was even a single path that could have led to a vulnerability of this scale, we need to completely secure these systems and do an immediate recount/re-vote.

    I'll also say, I was surprised to learn that these voting systems and their specs are not fully public and open source. That alone makes me very uncomfortable. Security through obscurity is not security at all.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You are the one here denouncing the credibility of these claims.

    You and the bots...

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The ones pushing propaganda are functionally indistinguishable from bots yes

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The Republicans cheated blatantly

    Ignoring everything they probably did to voting machines that is currently being discussed in courts, we know for a fact that hundreds of democratic voting centers were called with bomb threats.

    Current voting fraud court case https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391

    Report of known election interference from 2024 https://www.cip.uw.edu/2024/11/05/election-day-bomb-threats-tabulator-irregularities/

    That alone probably fucked with tens to hundreds of thousands of votes.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    Given how this administration can't cover shit up to save their own asses, and given Trump's very negative perception by the public right now, if there was major evidence of widespread fraud someone would have come forward with it by now. Whether for the fame, the money, the book tours, or the warm fuzzy feeling of watching Trump's lackies go to prison. This was true when swiss-cheese-for-brains made his claims of election fraud in 2020, and it's still true now.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Listen if it’s true, but the democrats are not willing to fight the results, then i don’t care. At that point the cheated election becomes legitimate. And Democratic leaders are on their non intervention kick, probably either because they are complicit, or want to really rub it in to the disenfranchised voters that It voters the blue no matter who, or else it gets the tyrant again.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There isn't a mechanism to recall the president over votes, and technically we didn't vote for anyone. The electoral college did that.

    So for better or worse we are stuck with the current situation until their terms are up and are forced from office, or more direct action is taken.

    What I hope happens is that steps are taken to prevent that in the future. As it benefits the party in power, it likely won't be fixed anytime soon.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can't you guys do people power? Like what the Philippines did to oust the last dictator?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Sort of, but that requires our congress to get involved. Which currently mostly have a vested interest in not changing anything.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    And were probably complicit in being installed by this regime. They will do nothing and allow this to continue because if they keep pulling this off, they can never be voted out.

    Edit fuck you autocorrect, were is a word.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What should we do about the next elections?

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)
    • Don't run a senile old man
    • Hold a proper primary so that a popular person gets the nomination instead of someone like Kamala Harris
    • Promise material changes that will improve peoples' lives and don't say "we aren't going to do anything different, but the other guy is a fascist so you have to vote for us"
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  • [–] 126 points 1 year ago (31 children)

    Reads like conspiracy nonsense. Bring receipts.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Seriously. I’ve had discussions with people since the election about how they say it was stolen. Until there’s hard receipts, then it’s not even worth the time considering it to me.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I mean that's the issue, that's also why this case that's going on is so huge. There's so many statistical anomalies that it's nearly impossible that he won every battleground state.....but there's been no smoking gun. There's never been solid enough evidence to warrant a court case. Hopefully we get the 'hard receipts' your looking for in this court case

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Also can we talk about how data even comes to be? Who tf is paying for all these “hard receipts”? Who’s doing the work, who’s analyzing it, who has the access to everything needed to even do the work? The information is obviously being obfuscated and destroyed, like people asking for “hard receipts” think US fascism actually keeps their receipts when no fascist government has ever allowed contradictory information to spread or even exist? People seem to both love data and refuse to accept it’s so easily hidden, destroyed and changed in such an opaque environment. The only time “hard receipts” ever exist is in a completely transparent and forthcoming environment. Honestly most of what we all believe has no “hard receipts” they’re just accepted because it looks and feels right and we have some “soft receipts” to prove to others our feelings are more feelings than theirs

    Control over media is a tenant of fascism

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  • Also, it’s kinda fucking hard to get the receipts when a bunch of election officials were very possibly in on it. And the secretaries of state for said swing states might not be doing everything on the up-and-up (see: literally everything about how Brian Kemp - the current Governor of Georgia - orchestrated his own election).

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The statistical anomalies are made up. They sound excellent plausible, but turn go and verify any of the actual numbers. Swing states really weren't any different from other states. They're not real discrepancies.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You act like it's easy. Republican states shred their data before turning it over (like what happened in Georgia a few years back over one of the state races. It's a cyclical issue. You can't look at the data if you don't have the evidence to warrant looking at it, and you can't get the evidence if you can't look at the data.

    But no....the anomalies aren't made up. You just haven't been paying attention to what's been going on with it, and that's okay, it's a lot to keep up with.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And even then, I'm not sure what it would accomplish. You're not going to undo Trump's inauguration. At best, it could protect the integrity of the next election, but now there are other options available to undermine it.

    Meanwhile, elections since then have swung hard against Trump supporters, including one in Wisconsin where Elon dumped a small fortune and made a personal appearance. If they're so good at rigging machines, why aren't they continuing to use this ability?

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  • [+] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We don't, that's not our job. You don't just believe everything because it's hard to prove the opposite.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Use your words. I've no time to follow a random YouTube link with absolutely no preamble or information.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you believe some guy with a blog making claims of what would be bombshell news maybe he should provide it.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    That sounds like a lot of trouble.
    I'm not American so for me it doesn't make a difference if there's a fascist or a fascist-lite in charge.
    Whoever is in charge their foreign policy never changes.
    Actually I like the current one better with all the dammage he does to the US. It is a win for the world pragmatically.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm with you man. I mean something weird is up with Rockland County for sure, there is some fraud happening. And not saying that this method is not plausible but it's a theory at best and yeah article reads like some pepe sylvia conspiracy. We need legit cybersecurity specialist to do some forensics on the Rockland machines before we can get a root cause and analyze potential impact.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Did you read the article? Relevant section below:

    “Let’s be clear, Palantir wasn’t brought in for customer service. It was brought in to do what it does best: manage, shape, and secure vast streams of data—quietly. According to Eaton’s own release, Palantir’s role would include: AI-driven oversight of connected infrastructures Automated analysis of large datasets And—most critically—“secure erasure of digital footprints”

    The Digital Janitor:also known as forensic sanitization, it was now being embedded into Eaton-managed hardware connected directly to voting systems. Palantir didn’t change the votes. It helped ensure you’d never prove it if someone else did.”

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Right, do you see how this reads like conspiracy nonsense.

    We make a claim, claim inherently says there's no way to prove it, so just trust us.

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The article fails to explain how the UPS was connected to the server, or if they were at all. Most use USB and there is no indication that even if some elaborate thing to connect to a battery backup over starlink was used, you still have to break out of the HID in Windows, gain kernel level access, then modify machines, some of which are airgapped, and the databases in a way that not only hides external reporting as they alleged with Palantir, but also removes any records of the database transactions being modified. Maybe you could have a USBHID zero day that lets the battery backup escape mitigations built in like Data Execution Prevention in Windows, then you have a second zero day that lets you modify SQLite where the tabulations were kept, and somehow all of this was coordinated remotely. Who knows, maybe the battery backups have a network connection on them meant to prevent electrical surges, and can operate as a man in the middle for any network traffic passing to the internet or other local servers. Even better, they were able to connect to a Tripp Lite device over StarLink, which acted as a man in the middle attack while protecting the network connection from a power surge, and then this was used to interface with the Intel Management Engine or another BIOS level attack, and they got in that way.

    So many options, and people can speculate all day. Proof is necessary and the voting machines and Tripp Lite devices are all still available to be audited. It's important to remember that there are powerful forces inside the U.S. and other countries that want to move people away from Democracy and voting. The best way to do this is to have a repeat of the election denial from the right to now be on the left. If that becomes standard behavior then it's game over for Democracy in the U.S.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Condensed quote below.

    “ According to Eaton’s own release, Palantir’s role would include… most critically—“secure erasure of digital footprints””

    Again, and I cannot stress this enough, that is from their own press release.

    So you say “where are the receipts?”. And their press release explicitly says “we are bringing in this company to erase receipts”. To which you respond “where are the receipts”.

    To echo your statement, do you see how this might appear as willful misunderstanding to an outside observer?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Capability of doing something isn't proof of doing something.

    I'm on team "something's fucky" but it's still not proof.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    In referring to my above comments, you’ll note I never said they did do something, only that IF they did do it, they had the capabilities in place to do so without leaving a trace.

    My issue is only with the top commenters phrase “bring receipts”.

    The article author address this pretty thoroughly in why that’s not possible, referencing publicly available information.

    The top commenter seemed to deliberately disregard that point

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Are you referring to the press release linked in the article, because it doesn't actually say those things.

    Focussing further is just about the worst thing you can do - "secure erasure of digital footprints" is there a definition of what this is anywhere? Is there anything that suggests they were doing that on voting machines? Companies absolutely have a requirement to remove customer data on request in many jurisdictions - that would absolutely be covered by that statement. You're take a very narrow statement (which, again, doesn't appear to be in the linked press release) and blowing it up to meet the definition you want it to.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Here ya go.

    https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/

    https://youtu.be/UgIay64Obcs

    https://youtu.be/t-yr-Mgkhm0

    https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta

    First and last links are the data. The middle links are for us stupid people that need to be told how to read the data in the last link

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Clicked on the last link

    It's selling merch.

    Using his own 'eforensics' methodology,

    I'm out.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Some academic researchers told Kamala ahead of time and she ignored it and did no investigations after. This alone says a lot.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Wait. This article suggests that a UPS was an attack vector.

    Really?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    The most wtf part is using windows on a voting machine and the fact that windows trusts an UPS that connected via usb, I'm not sure how true it is but I'd kind of believe that, as usb is the best way to attack airgapped systems

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The most WTF part is that you all use voting machines. In Canadian federal elections every vote is counted by hand, end of story.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    IMO there's nothing wrong with both.

    • Machine prints out paper ballot, properly inscribed with the selected vote so that there's no "ooh, but there's a smudge here that might mean a vote for X". It could also print out a 3D barcode that contains metadata such as time, place, machine, checksums, etc
    • Human who voted can verify the correct box is selected etc.
    • Vote slip goes into second machine where it's counted (or a box for later counts)
    • Paper vote slips are maintained for recount/validation purposes
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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I can't speak for the whole US, but in Connecticut we use a Scantron sort of system where you fill in bubbles on paper and feed it into a machine. This leaves us with a paper ballot in addition to the machine's totals. Using machines isn't necessarily a bad thing, it makes the count a lot faster and it's not like human counters couldn't lie. If other states don't have that paper backup though, they should.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The reason governments use windows is because Microsoft paid to have the various certifications done that are required by regulators. That's why when they do use Linux they end up using something like RHEL (the support contracts factor in too)

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    That's actually extremely plausible.

    A smart UPS needs to have access to some very low level functionality on the machine it's connected to in order to safely power it off in the event of a power failure. So you're talking about having at least some root / kernel level access there. It's not crazy to imagine that a malicious driver update could slip in more.

    As another poster commented, I'd like to see this actually simulated to be sure, but it's not an idea that I'm willing to dismiss out of hand.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    All they need is the ability to report battery percentage and send an ahci shutdown command to the OS. This is usually handled by an agent running on the machine, otherwise networked ups's would be useless

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    How are we still in denial? Do we not see what our countrymen have become?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If Kamala never conceded we would have something.

    Regretfully, Kamala could have had 99.9999% of the votes ... but if she concedes the race to Trump he wins. There may be laws or legislation to punish or impeach Trump and the Republicans, and the government (led by Trump and the Republicans) could choose to pursue them ... I somehow doubt they will.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't think it works like that. We had a guy in my state who tried to drop out of a race after he was already on the ballot. He told the media he dropped out, didn't want the office, etc. When he won he changed his mind and they swore him in.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It does not legally work like that ... but it does work like that. Conceding is a tradition/courtesy, but it would be seen as an admission of losing by Republicans.

    The Republicans took office. They would be the ones to take any action against Trump and Musk for cheating.

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  • [+] 44 points 1 year ago (9 children)
  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    No, its fucking facts just like in 2000 they stole election then too. They rigged the election. This isn't the only article you can find on this. They have clear evidence unlike Trump claims.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I was looking for that evidence, but all the report has are indications. Proof would mean there's messages that outline this plan, documents, audio recordings, the software backdoor used to kill the ballots anything like that.

    I'm not saying it's a bad article, they provide good reasoning and the data looks really odd. Just until here it's a theory.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This article might not show it, but the one I read had the receipts. The lawsuit shows that in a district where the Democratic Senator got all the votes but Harris got zero. That isn't normal and not how it works. The machines were rigged. Especially when they have voters in that sane district swearing they voted for her as well as that Senator.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Thank you for the reply (and for engaging in meaningful conversation, which is a rarety on the internet). Could you share a link to that article? Not bc I doubt your word, I'm just genuinely curious

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    I fucking knew it

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Data that makes no statistical sense. A clean sweep in all seven swing states. The fall of the Blue Wall. Eighty-eight counties flipped red—not one flipped blue.

    "When the hurricane blew through, every single window of my house was broken. Surely you'd think at least one would survive through sheer chance. I refuse to believe my windows could've been that breakable, so this is evidence that my house was sabotaged."

    Donald Trump outperformed expectations in down-ballot races with margins never before seen—while Kamala Harris simultaneously underperformed in those exact same areas.

    It couldn't possibly be that lots of low-information voters who don't give a shit about the rest of the ballot didn't like Kamala and decided to take another flyer on Trump because he was at least promising to shake things up and take action, obviously it's a conspiracy. We made it very clear that the economy was fine, and that if you were feeling financially stressed, no you weren't.

    If one were to accept these results at face value—Donald Trump, a 34-count convicted felon, supposedly outperformed Ronald Reagan.

    And this is obviously impossible because the author doesn't feel like it could happen. Surely the United States would never elect a bad person, that's not like us at all.

    Look, the results were pretty uniform across all 50 states, across all 50 completely isolated and different voting systems. The country took a big swing to the right, in swing states and uncompetitive ones, in states with paper ballots and electronic ones. We told the right this same stuff in 2020, it was true then, and it's true now. Rigging so many elections on the scale it would take to swing the overall results requires an insanely huge conspiracy with no leaks and no mistakes and perfect accounting for the massive number of public statistics and results surrounding elections. If it happened, we'd have more than a handful of conspiracy theorists saying "but these numbers look funny" and until that happens, pay this whole thing no mind.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ITT: ChatGPT tells us only Republicans are allowed to question the legitimacy of elections

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Copying trump won't help you

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I don’t know why the SMART guys don’t work together with the https://electiontruthalliance.org/ guys…

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago

    that makes it even more enjoyable.

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