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[–] 28 points 1 year ago

Oh boy! I'm prepared before reading the comments this time around!

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  • [–] 73 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    People say it's a publicity stunt. Well so what. Greta knows if she goes, cameras and reporters will follow. It's the same thing Lady Diana did when traveling to 3rd world nations....she knew that she alone wouldn't make a difference, but the cameras and reporters that follow her would.

    Greta is doing what most of us only discuss....helping. and if she helps by keeping Isreal's hypocrisy in the news, then she wins.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    They one who says that are troll because it is not a Publicity stunt when you are going to the door steps of a fascist military organization that have no regards of any human life "including their own" and will not hesitate shooting you down or imprisoned you for unknown time.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    People say it’s a publicity stunt.

    Shortly before the IDF bombs another Reuters photojournalist team, sure.

    and if she helps by keeping Isreal’s hypocrisy in the news, then she wins.

    If she really wanted to help, she'd be campaigning for Kamala Harris for President.

    That's what I'm told Palestinians actually want.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • Is this a shitpost? She’s not even from the USA why would she be involved with campaigning for the democrats and either way if you think a democrat president would stop helping Israel then you must have missed all the previous presidents who supported Iseral.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (31 children)

    Ah shit here we go again. What's ironic is that the Zionazis could get an easy PR win by letting them in to distribute aid but that would interfere with their long term extermination goals.

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  • [+] -31 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    An easy PR win by letting them enter a war zone? You can only lose by doing that. For an easy PR win, they could just let the trucks enter Gaza.

    I give it a 30% chance that Israel military kills them and blames Hamas, a 60% chance that Hamas kills them and blames it on Israel... And a 10% chance of surviving...

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    "War zone" is an interesting thing to call the world's largest death camp.

    "60% chance Hamas kills them" lol sure, whatever islamaphobic fantasies get you off pal.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Calling me islamophobic because I'm not a fan of Hamas or "Islamic Dschihad" is as intelligent as calling someone antisemitic because they criticize the Israel government...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Oh no you misunderstand. Despite the IDF having an extremely larger kill count, not to mention a proclivity to kill aid workers and even their own citizens through the hannibal directive, you still stated Hamas was more likely to kill Greta. Despite the fact Hamas does not have a history of killing aid workers or Pro-Palestinian activists (that would be counter intuitive as the elected party of Gaza). The only reason you would rate them higher is because you, like most in the West have been propagandized to demonize Muslims, especially ones who take up arms to defend from invaders. So yeah, you're islamophobic and should kindly fuck off.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The only reason you would rate them higher is because you, like most in the West have been propagandized to demonize Muslims

    Wow... I'm talking about Hamas terrorists and do not even mention a religion, but your brain seems to really really really want to connect that to regular Muslims... Why???? Can we please stop acting like Hamas/Islamic Dschihad and average Muslims are the same???? Please??? Doing that seems to actually be islamophobic.....

    especially ones who take up arms to defend from invaders

    If we are talking about Hamas, we are talking about those how also kind of caused the invasion....... And yes, I know, the conflict did not start 2 years ago. It kind of started with the Balfour Declaration.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "They caused the invasion but also this started with the Balfour Declaration" ok so you're just full of shit. You know damn well that Israel has been the aggressor since the beginning and you still blame Hamas for this genocide. That "terrorist organization" along with the other Axis of Resistance "terrorists" are the only ones actually fighting the IOF. But sure, pin the blame on Muslims defending their country instead of the terrorist state of Israel that has been doing ethnic cleansing since its very founding.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They caused the invasion but also this started with the Balfour Declaration

    Yes, it's more complicated than you seem to understand.

    There was a recent cause for the current escalation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks

    But the whole conflict lasts longer.

    If you want, I could ask ChatGPT to simplify that for you.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    You can only lose by doing that.

    You're not wrong. As soon as they let in one group of foreign aid workers, others follow. And then you run the risk of people ending the engineered famine.

    Sort of defeats the point of doing a genocide if outsiders can just feed the people you're trying to starve to death.

    a 60% chance that Hamas kills them

    I swear to God, the average Zionist's understanding of a Palestinian is somewhere between Ayatollah Khomemi and The Terminator.

    They've got no food, but they still have anti-ship missiles?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I think, the average view on a starving Palestinian and a proud member of Hamas or Islamic Dschihad differs. And above, I talked about "Hamas", not about random people suffering in Gaza.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I talked about “Hamas”, not about random people

    There is no difference between the two in the eyes of the Lavender AI.

    If you're baited into opposing "Hamas", it is only a matter of time before you're defending an airstrike on a hospital or the IDF gang rape of a general surgeon.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    If you’re baited into opposing “Hamas”

    I kind of got baited into opposing Hamas by.... Let me check.... Ahm... by Hamas!

    That does not mean that I'm not also opposing Netanyahu and his far right assholes.

    Both sides have terrible governments.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Both sides

    Where is the Palestinian government in Gaza? Name one living state official in the territory.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't exactly understand the question. Hamas is the de facto government since 2007.

    If you want to, we can use a different word like "leaders" or "rulers" or "dictators" or "those in power", if the word "government" does fit...

    Or do you want to question whether Hamas still holds the power in Gaza?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Hamas is the de facto government since 2007.

    Palestinians haven't been allowed normal elections since a plurality of the party won office. They've been under IDF martial law, with no working civilian government or democratic process, precisely because the Israelis didn't want to let a Hamas-aligned civilian leadership hold any kind of power.

    Or do you want to question whether Hamas still holds the power in Gaza?

    Who is the Hamas PM? Name any Hamas minister. Name a Hamas MP, even. A Hamas Mayor? Police chief? Dogcatcher?

    Name any single living Hamas politician.

    Can you? How can a party hold power if all of its leadership have been executed?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    What exactly is the point?

    I can name you only 2 people from the Israel government. Does that mean that there are only 2? No.........

    Why are the names relevant? When there is a new hostage deal, there will be armed Hamas people with face masks forcing the hostages on a stage... Ask those Hamas guys what their names are... To be honest: I don't care about their names at all. Them doing what they are doing clearly shows who's in power.

    We all know that Hamas did not want any fair elections. I mean... Read this...

    After Hamas's June 2007 takeover, it ousted Fatah-linked officials from positions of power and authority (such as government positions, security services, universities, newspapers, etc.) and strove to enforce law by progressively removing guns from the hands of peripheral militias, clans, and criminal groups, and gaining control of supply tunnels. According to Amnesty International, under Hamas rule, newspapers were closed down and journalists were harassed.[191] Fatah demonstrations were forbidden or suppressed, as in the case of a large demonstration on the anniversary of Yasser Arafat's death, which resulted in the deaths of seven people, after protesters hurled stones at Hamas security forces.[192]

    (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip#Hamas_government)

    Can you? How can a party hold power if all of its leadership have been executed?

    Why exactly can a dead person in power not be replaced with a living one?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why are the names relevant?

    Real genocidal mentality right there.

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  • With that logic, we can not talk about Mexico, Sweden, Finland and Kazakhstan. I don't know anyone from their governments and I don't care about their names at all... "Genocidal mentality", I guess...

    Good that you know all of their names!!!111 A win for humanity!!!111

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I give it a 30% chance that Israel military kills them and blames Hamas, a 60% chance that Hamas kills them and blames it on Israel… And a 10% chance of surviving…

    They've been doing this May and I don't think anyone has died/gone "missing" in the Flotillas yet. Israel doesn't want the PR win, they usually use the opportunity of the news media's attention being turned to the Flotillas to launch some extra drone strikes in Gaza. Murdering Palestinians is much more important to them.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    An easy PR win is letting the trucks in.

    Letting opposing, famous people (who would of course also take and share pictures from the war reality) enter the war zone without anyone getting hurt or killed by anyone else (with Israel military, Hamas and Islamic Dschihad involved) is probably the most complicated PR win ever...

    Apart from that, it of course lets the question come up "Why is Greta allowed to enter, but not actual help organizations?". And it seems that they don't want such a precedent, because otherwise, they could easily allow the trucks to pass.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Oh no, I 100% agree with everything you've said here.

    My point was 1) the flotillas have been happening for a few months now and has gotten more people sympathetic to the situation (Greta for example live-streamed being boarded and captured by the IDF in...June I think?) and 2) The IDF don't WANT the easy PR win. They want Gaza empty.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I actually wonder why they haven't blocked telecom coming in and out. Everyone would still kinda know they're doing a genocide, but it would be harder to visually cover, and they might be able to hide details.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Doesn't really matter when anyone can just go on Google Maps and see nearly every single building in Gaza has been destroyed

    Pretty impressive that they had Hamas in each of these buildings, eh?

    Obligatory fuck Israel.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Oh, it matters. You think most people are going to look on Google Maps themselves?

    Quick, gut-punching visuals and stupid soundbites are the name of the game in public opinion. Even if news agencies were to show this map, it's way more abstract and remote. The impact wouldn't be the same as a starving, swollen baby.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't get the criticism. They either get the food through or the press following her is going to film the Israeli navy blocking the food from entering the shore.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    There has never been any hope that they'd get the food through. This is all about showing people that Israel are willing to arrest and deport them.

    My main critisism is that it isn't going to change anything because:

    1. No country is going to allow people who aren't refugees to illegally enter their territory like this. Israel arresting these people and deporting them isn't new. So Israel doing something every other country would do is a non-story.
    2. This isn't going to convince anyone who has agreed with Israel's action up to this point because, they already tried it before, and denying aid to palestinians is not their worst crime. Anyone who could be swayed by this action, was swayed more than a year ago, when it was crystal clear Israel was purposely murdering civillians.

    So to me, this comes off as an attempt to get media attention, with a happening that does nothing to help the people they really want to help, changing no ones mind, and all without actually being anything but a slight inconvenience to Israel, making their coastguards take a slight detour to arrest a few people.

    Sure, it's more than I've done, and more than I care to do, and I'm sure a lot of people are going to be very angry, because I don't think this will matter in the slightest. I'm sympathetic to their course, but this just reeks too much of a bunch of privilaged kids, wanting to make a name for themselves, so they load a boat up with food, alcohol and weed, have a bunch of fun on the way, get sent home when they reach their destination, and hope they get to talk to the media.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The flotilla is not sailing to Israeli territory. They are sailing to Gaza, which is under an illegal military occupation.

    Not even the Israeli government claims Gaza as Israeli territory (yet). The government is trying to ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip so they can flood it with settlements, establishing facts on the ground for an eventual annexation.

    That’s why the flotilla is trying to bring food and medical aid to Gaza.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Ahh so this is that Greta van Fleet I been hearing about.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    The same thing will happen as last time. Gaza needs food though.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    blockade stops 50 ships just as easily, these are not blockade running ships.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That makes a bigger headline, and shows more and more people care about the Palestinian people.

    Is there a downside here? Why are people upset by this concept?

    Just because powerful bullies are unlikely to lose, doesn't mean it's not worth defying them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Four Italian politicians are on one of the ships this time. The secretary of the main Italian opposition asked the government to take a stand about their safety. Dock workers in Genoa said that if something happens to the ships they will bring down logistics and shipping throughout Europe.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    why is it called a floatilla

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Not trying to be a smart ass but what do u suggest it's be called? A convoy? Maybe a fleet?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Haaa...there's MANY boats mate. Not sure how you missed that. Dozens. What would you call a group of boats? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't call it a boat of boats.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm mobile and can't verify anything, but if you trust a goggle AI Overview then here you go.

    The word "flotilla" originates from the Spanish word flotilla, a diminutive form of flota meaning "fleet". This, in turn, came from Old French floter and ultimately Germanic roots, like Old Norse floti ("raft, fleet") and Old English flota ("ship" or "fleet"), which are ancestors of the English word "float". The English term "flotilla" was adopted in 1711 and refers to a small fleet, especially of small naval vessels like destroyers or submarines. Here's a breakdown of the word's origin: Spanish: Flotilla (diminutive of flota, meaning "fleet"). Old French: Floter ("to float, set afloat"). Germanic: Old Norse floti ("raft, fleet") and Old English flota ("ship, fleet"). Indo-European: Traced back to the root pleu- ("to flow"). The English word "flotilla" was first recorded in 1711.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    free Palestine from the river to the sea ♥️🖤💚🤍

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I would depart Barcelona too.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    She's gonna be thrown in an Israeli jail this time.

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