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[–] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

I'll state here for the record, since despite I not making a single comment in this entire situation, i've been accused of "denying genocide":

I know nothing about Holodomor or Xinjiang, nothing at all. I've been meaning to read into Xinjiang in particular, but it seems hard to untangle for me + i'm busy these days. I'm not "denying" shit i literally am just clueless about this, i'm not going to remove pro/anti-xinjiang comments while i don't know shit about it.

The fact that some tried to twist it into me "supporting genocide" is really fucking malicious. I haven't ever commented on it even once, even in my criticisms of china because i'm simply too uneducated to confidently say anything about it.

I did upvote Unruffled's comment which was the 'proof', but in my defense i did not see that last part, and i only really read the first paragraph.

I should also mention i am only speaking for myself, not the other admins. That's for them to do.

FYI goat, i downvoted the post you screenshotted because the person, @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de, made this disgusting comment and got permabanned on LW + here for it. He's a horrible person, which is why i downvoted his post. Not because of the content.

I am not a tankie, not even hexbear/ml users consider me as such; I've also seen other stuff about me being a Soviet apologist (?) Which, no, from using the search feature, I have not it seems. Unless they're including the time I was being nice to cowbee... ? Either way I personally do not have a positive opinion of the USSR but I really don't want to get into that here.

I have also had a conversation with cowbee themselves once where I told them I disagree with them with the USSR, China and Ukraine about a week ago, so no, I am not an apologist for the Soviet union.

I think that's all the claims debunked. I feel pretty hurt about all of them and that I had to do this, but I'm glad its finally done. I've been feeling anxious about this for days. But I have already forgiven pugjesus, so I'll let it go. I should've done this earlier, since the smearing was taking a big toll on me and putting way more stress on me than I already had. :/

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fyi @Zagorath@aussie.zone

    On top of that:

    To be clear, if I haven’t been already, I 100% condemn China’s actions towards the Uyghurs. Is it technically a genocide? Depends what definition you’re working with, but to my mind it meets the definition.

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21075559

    Posting this here as !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works single mod seems quite ban happy lately, and resorting to debatable arguments

    My community is also bigger lol

    https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20731327

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I know nothing about Holodomor or Xinjiang, nothing at all. I've been meaning to read into Xinjiang in particular, but it seems hard to untangle for me + i'm busy these days. I'm not "denying" shit i literally am just clueless about this, i'm not going to remove pro/anti-xinjiang comments while i don't know shit about it.

    The fact that some tried to twist it into me "supporting genocide" is really fucking malicious. I haven't ever commented on it even once, even in my criticisms of china because i'm simply too uneducated to confidently say anything about it.

    I am just looking over old posts because of some unrelated Lemmy drama, and I saw this. The UN report is pretty comprehensive and objective about it (according to most people aside from the Chinese government):

    https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125932

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf

    The report is pretty dense, but looking over the TOC and skimming individual sections can tell you a lot about what the underlying reality without particular spin from any particular side applied to it is. It doesn't use the word "genocide," which some people have used to say that it found "not genocide." Some people have extrapolated from the descriptions of family separation / limits on religious and cultural expression / sterilization / etc, to say of course it's genocide and they just didn't use the word. Other people disagree with that assessment for various reasons. But IDK, what's in the report is more or less the facts of what's happening as far as people can determine them without having to take anyone's word for it, I think.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago*

    There's no travel restrictions in Xinjiang, you can just go there. Though you will have to show a pic of your passport to like 50% of cops, and answer the "where did you come from, where are you going, <insert random third, probing question>". They're still cops, but some can be genuinely helpful at times.

    In any case, you're probably going to find while there is nothing recognizable as a genocide, the actual issues and perspectives these people have once you break through the surface are too complex and specific to understand while limited by phone translate, let alone form a meaningful opinion.

    But maybe you'll fare better than me.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    I did upvote Unruffled’s comment which was the ‘proof’, but in my defense i did not see that last part, and i only really read the first paragraph.

    You also downvoted multiple posts discussing the Uyghur genocide, and that were about, exclusively, criticism of the Uyghur genocide.

    Either you're bullshitting now, or you weren't reading anything you were voting on then; just, I don't know, giving up and downvotes according to who was being responded to, I guess?

    I guess you don't know much about the Holodomor either, considering you and the rest of the admins left that lovely bit of denialism up as well.

    If calling you out for being part of a fucking moderation team that removes one form of genocide denial, but 'conveniently' seems to ignore every major form of tankie genocide denialism is malicious, what the fuck do your actions come off as? Benevolent?

    There was a misunderstanding about Fxomt's votes. I overreacted considerably, and I retract my accusations towards Fxomt.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    You also downvoted multiple posts discussing the Uyghur genocide, and that were about, exclusively, criticism of the Uyghur genocide.

    I genuinely do not remember doing this, but i apologize.

    Either you're bullshitting now, or you weren't reading anything you were voting on then; just, I don't know, giving up and downvotes according to who was being responded to, I guess?

    I do vote irresponsibly and occasionally vote things that i go back to later and go "why the fuck did i upvote/downvote this?" I've been called out for this before too and i want to be more careful with voting in the future.

    I guess you don't know much about the Holodomor either, considering you and the rest of the admins left that lovely bit of denialism up as well.

    I literally said that in my comment. "I know nothing about Holodomor or Xinjiang, nothing at all"

    If calling you out for being part of a fucking moderation team that removes one form of genocide denial, but 'conveniently' seems to ignore every major form of tankie genocide denialism is malicious

    Dude, I know about zionism + the Gaza genocide, that's something i can confidently act upon. I literally told you i know nothing about what's going on in Xinjiang / what happened in Holodomor.

    what the fuck do your actions come off as? Benevolent?

    Besides the voting which in retrospect was wrong, literally what actions; i haven't removed a single comment or post in this situation.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I genuinely do not remember doing this, but i apologize.

    I do vote irresponsibly and occasionally vote things that i go back to later and go “why the fuck did i upvote/downvote this?” I’ve been called out for this before too and i want to be more careful with voting in the future.

    Then I apologize for jumping to the conclusion that it was malice. I'm high-strung on my best days, and I shouldn't have assumed that you and the other admins were on the same page.

    I literally said that in my comment. “I know nothing about Holodomor or Xinjiang, nothing at all”

    I read that as Uyghurs or Xinjiang. I suppose I have to confess to having misread something now.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The fact that you're being downvoted for your comment after walking it back can probably be turned into a statement about the human psyche, but I'm not creative enough to make it.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Is this the same goat who caused a stir a few months ago because they wouldn't shut up about "reverse racism"?

    Edit: I couldn't find the reverse racism stuff, but I put together everything I did find https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52444570

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Your link doesn’t work anymore

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  • [+] 75 points 1 year ago (33 children)
  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (29 children)

    many anarchists used to be members of authcom communities because they found it interesting. i don't think what our worldviews were when we were young defines who we are

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  • [+] 26 points 1 year ago (21 children)
  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ok, I'm on it:

    When they were founded

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    "Kill all Jews" and "kill all kulaks" have both killed enough people that this is a distinction without a difference.

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  • [+] 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)
  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Then why did the Soviets kill so fucking many people? And don't get me started on our old friend Mao Zedong. The pursuit of socialist ideals under vanguard parties has caused enough mass murder across enough regimes that it's part of what you sign up for under authoritarian communism.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The 1930s famine was a combination of dramatic weather problems in pre-industrial agriculture, kulak's killing their livestock and burning their grain in order to resist collectivization, and mismanagement. The Communist Party of Ukraine hid how bad the famine was getting from the politburo, which made the problems even worse as it delayed aid. It wasn't intentional, and after the 1930s famine the USSR was food secure outside of World War II, when the Nazis took Ukraine (the USSR's breadbasket) and intentionally attacked farmland.

    Mao faced similar issues with famine, large-scale weather problems coupled with mismanagement. Neither famine was intentional, so framing it as "mass murder" erases that once both countries industrialized, life expectancy doubled as compared to pre-famine, pre-socialist conditions. Famine was just incredibly common before industrializing farming, and the communists, when in power, provided high quality healthcare and land redistributiob, education, etc.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Kulaks were not a “people,” they were owners of private property, specifically farmland, who had serfs work the land. They lived off of the exploitation of others. They were the feudal rough-equivalent of the petit bourgeois class. So of course they weren’t going to embrace socialism or land collectivization, or having to work a day in their lives.

    This is what happens to all of us who’ve lived a lifetime of anti-communist propaganda. Unless you take the time & effort to go back and examine all of that received wisdom, you’ll continue believing that Kulaks were a people genocided by the evil Slavic Bolsheviks. And then we have to—as patiently as we can muster—explain the same basic things to people over and over again.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Not the same, dude.

    Like, nit necessarily good, but not the fucking same.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    There are plenty of important differences, but "will not lead to mass death and forced labor, including along ethnic, religious and national lines" is not one of them. I get your instinct to want to say it is, but the number and scale of genocidal or genocide-parallel crimes committed under Stalin speaks for itself.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Im not in favor of either, but they are not remotely the same. Even the ethnic and cultural aftershocks are different.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean, I made my case in my comment chain with _cryptagion, so if you believe my characterization is wrong can you provide an explanation of why?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Is that true? For what value of “many”? My impression is that—in the Anglosphere anyway—“auth” communists who once were anarchists is even more common. We’re fed a lifetime of anti-communist propaganda, and comparatively little ant-anarchist, and I think that people seldom arrive there along a straight path.

    I’d like to see a breakdown of anarchists per capita by country. I think it’s predominantly a Western movement, but I don’t have data to back that up.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    comparatively little ant-anarchist

    "comparatively" doesn't make it actually little. Assuming they don't think you're unserious, walk on a street and tell someone you're an anarchist and they'll think you're a terrorist. Tell them you're a {insert popular alt-right party here} member and they'll just think you're weird and avoid you. Tell them you're a communist and they'll probably have a tamer response thinking you're just deluded. You're not gonna arrive at anarchism along a straight path either.

    I think it’s predominantly a Western movement

    "West" has a lot of definitions; let's just say Global North. The places where anarchist movements hold the most power (hah) are probably areas of Spain—Global North indeed—and the Global South's Rojava and Chiapas, under the DAANES and Zapatistas respectively.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Minor tidbit, the Zapatistas directly and explicitly reject the label "anarchist," they see their own movement as organic and self-driven more than anything. Not saying you can't use them as an example of anarchist-adjacent structures, but they quite clearly dislike the term being applied to themselves.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    That's true. It's also worth noting that since they are states that hold power, they obviously all have some distance from anarchism, the ideology against power and states.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I mean, that also applies to the Spanish anarchists as well, who employed labor camps and had some degree of hierarchical structure. At the end of the day, anarchists do have to make compromises with what authority they consider valid and what they don't. I'd say the Spanish anarchists had their own "state" as well, and this applies to all anarchism in historical example. There's a difference between the idealized, perfect anarchism, and the anarchism forced to reconcile the need for some hierarchy, especially when defending itself from outside forces.

    Ultimately, while they reject the label of anarchist, the Zapatistas do have a fairly horizontalist approach, which is why I said they can be considered when discussing anarchist-adjacent structures, their merits, and any problems they may run into.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Not sure this is a sizable dataset, but I can be added to the pile of anarcho-communist -> Marxist-Leninist. It took far more reading and research to overcome my anti-AES bias than it did to accept anarchism as an alternative.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I think @goat@sh.itjust.works has always been like this but it seems in the past he was able to hide it and make himself seem more genuine and less reactionary to others. Though now it seems the mask has fully come off. PTB for sure.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was banned for that trashy community for calling him out here about his hypocrisy towards the genocide in palestine

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    I think almost everyone involved in this drama is being extremely rude and unreasonable and needs to take a break from Lemmy for a bit. But yeah this is obviously petty and ridiculous.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    To me it's yet another example of why we need private voting or this place is just going to eat itself alive. I've already basically stopped voting because of this new vote drama trend.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    It becomes even easier to manipulate votes with private voting.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fake Internet points don't matter.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (37 children)

    and are experiencing cultural erasure and Human Rights abuses

    If you believe that, then you believe there is a genocide. Because cultural erasure is genocide.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A genocide committed by CHINA.

    AUSTRALIA have concentration camps in East Timor. Maybe do something about what your own country's doing.

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  • AUSTRALIA have concentration camps in East Timor. Maybe do something about what your own country's doing.

    Source on that? If you're talking about Australia's immigration detention centres, which are indeed heinous human rights violations, I don't think we ever had one in East Timor. If you're talking about the secret interrogation centre that was exposed a few years back, well that was during the peace-keeping mission back in 99/00 and hasn't existed for a quarter of a century...

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Every genocide in history has been accompanied by mass murder... except this one apparently. 🤔

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The definition of genocide by the UN convention:

    In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;

    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    If the target is to destroy a group as a group and any of these acts are committed, it is genocide. Mass murder is the "prevalent" act, but it is not a requirement for genocide.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    And yet the UN and ICJ don't call it genocide.

    That's because there is no evidence of intent to destroy their ethnic group. That's why mass murder is basically necessary, because that's what shows intent. Transferring children to different families can be done without intent, I'm sure you can imagine situations where someone has their children taken that are unrelated to genocide? I know I can.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The ICJ is a court and as such slow. As for statements showing intent, there is a plethora of statements, from comparing Palestinians to biblical "Amalek" (Netanyahu), over saying it is "unfortunate" that the world won't let Israel just starve all people in Gaza to death (Ben Gvir) to public broadcast employees saying they want to commit another Holocaust in Gaza.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (17 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    The fact that so many of these are empty and stupid anti-communist smears is fascinating. Vietnam did genocide against South Vietnam, collectivization of farmland in the USSR was genocide against land owning peasants? Really?

    Deeply unserious, to the point of actually being genocide denial. Genocide is the crime of crimes. This "cultural genocide" invention actually equivocates the crimes of the worst regimes in history with what are, ultimately, not even crimes. Look at Xinjiang province and compare it to Gaza. It's fucking night and day.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    This “cultural genocide” invention

    It was "invented" in the very same book that coined the term genocide. Cultural genocide has been a part of genocide since the very inception of the concept of genocide. I shouldn't have to explain that multiple things can fit in the same category without being equal. Playing whataboutism games as an excuse to deny ongoing genocides is a supremely bad look.

    We're more than happy (at least those of us on the left) to admit Australia's "stolen generation" was an act of genocide. I'm not as well-informed about it, but my understanding is that Canada's "residential school system" has been even more widely recognised as such. The concept of cultural genocide is pretty well established and widely accepted in leftist circles. The only exception to this seems to be tankies trying to deny China's own examples of it in Tibet and Xinjiang.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    The stolen generation, the residential schools, these don't exist in a vacuum. Canada and Australia ran extermination campaigns to reduce populations before they started taking children. They're genocidal because they're part of a broader campaign of genocide, you can't just divorce them from the broader genocide as a separate crime.

    That's what I mean when I say cultural genocide has always worked alongside ethnic cleansing and mass murder campaigns and extermination. They're not separate things. Divorcing it from them as it's own unique crime of "cultural genocide" makes no sense and essentially devalues the power of genocide accusations.

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  • Let's try a hypothetical then. Without any mass murder or extermination campaigns, if a group forcibly enacted birth control on another group, would that be genocide? How about taking all children of that group and raising them outside of their ethnic background, therefore forcibly erasing their cultural and ethnic identity? How would those differ from other acts that don't involve direct violence, like starvation campaigns? I agree with you on the point that using the term "cultural genocide"does devalue it though, but I just also personally believe that anything that seeks to erase a cultural, ethnic or other identity is genocide.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    "Actually nuh uh, because, you see, I said so"

    How profound. Do you have anything of value to say, or are you too belligerent to unconditionally repudiate your wrongness and humble yourself?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The genocide convention doesn't actually cover this. The threshold for the crime of genocide is high, it is the crime of crimes. "Cultural genocide" in the absence of extermination/mass murder/ethnic cleansing does not meet that threshold.

    It's not just me that says so, the UN says so. The ICJ says so. They don't call it genocide because it isn't genocide.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It literally does. There's a line item specifically about forcibly transferring children, and that was a key element of both the genocides they mentioned.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Can you imagine non-genocidal intent for removing children from their parents? I can.

    That's why one line item isn't actually enough to call it genocide, without the extermination element and without the intent it doesn't meet the threshold. Again, there is a reason the UN or ICJ have not called it genocide.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Either you've not read the definition and are guessing, or you're intentionally misrepresenting it. The definition requires any (not all, and not multiple) of several acts, and forcible removal of children is one of them. It also requires an intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Both the Canadian and Australian governments have admitted this past intent. They recognise their own past genocides. The UN and ICJ don't need to issue a report into a genocide that's already been stopped domestically and is already being punished domestically as they're international organisations that enforce international law only after the nations concerned have failed to do so themselves.

    You're using the word it as if you're forgetting we're in a thread talking about two different genocides, neither of which is against Uyghurs. As China isn't part of the ICJ, it's not within their jurisdiction to say whether or not there's a genocide, and would be just as silly to bring up as if someone said that the British Crown Prosecution Service never charged OJ Simpson with murder and tried to suggest that meant he was definitely innocent. I'm not sure whether it's as silly as thinking that Canada and Australia are one country, though, which is the other reason you might have said it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In other words, no, you don't. I'd ridicule you more but the fact that you're trying to rules-lawyer a technicality around the definition of genocide has already done it for me.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Take it up with the UN and ICJ, not me. They're the ones who don't think it meets the definition.

    I guess you're smarter and more qualified than them though so they should probably listen to you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The UN is notoriously susceptible to political pressure so it's really not surprising. Are you going to try to make the case that the CCP regime currently occupying the ROC's mainland territory has not exerted such pressure because the UN can't be corrupted, or will you be swift enough to realize that directly contradicts your other factory-preset talking points about America's history of shady influence on the UN?

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Bringing Wikipedia to a gun fight 🤣 Yes, I’m aware of and accept the UNCPPCG and other such definitions that include cultural genocide.

    This is neither the time or place to get into it, so I won’t, but I’ve gotten into it elsewhere dozens of times, including with .world’s top rules pervert.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh yay, the tankie supreme has joined the conversation. To share...a link to a search page? The irony of thinking a Lemmy search page is a useful link, in a comment that criticises Wikipedia.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Y'all are having a gun fight? Seems to me you'd have more to worry about than arguing online were that the case. In fact it seems more of an internet squabble than a gun fight, but tbf I'm not in your location, maybe you are posting comments in between mag changes.

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  • [+] [S] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)
  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Suppressing a culture destroys that culture. If people cannot express their culture, it will eventually die out as the people become assimilated into the culture of the empire that is supressing it. That's what makes it genocide. You kill off a culture even without needing to kill actual humans. (Which is to say nothing of the forced sterilisation, which is a far more direct form of genocide.)

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That's a much narrower definition than the UN uses, which is what matters in terms of international law. In particular, the intent doesn't have to be to totally destroy the group, so suppressing its numbers still counts. It's a semantic argument, but for a word so loaded as genocide, letting people dodge accusations by picking a different word isn't helpful. Obviously, this one isn't the most serious genocide going on right now, as there are Israeli cabinate ministers explicitly saying it's their goal to kill all Palestinians, but that's not a great defence for crimes against humanity.

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  • [+] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    Because of how the UN works, a statement from the UN that something isn't a genocide isn't necessarily evidence that it's not a genocide under the definition the UN gives. Obviously, there's the massive elephant in the room of not upsetting member states in a way that might make them less likely to engage (especially when they're as capable of ignoring the UN as China due to their power and having a permanent veto on the Security Council), but there's also the fact that the UN's got lots of subcommittees and working groups that regularly put out statements that contradict each other. A few weeks ago, news was going around that the UN had released a report saying there was no evidence of a genocide against Palestinians, and it was true that they had, but it was from a body whose job was to represent Israel, and it contradicted hundreds of other reports saying there was overwhelming evidence of a genocide.

    The Office of the High Commissioner on Human Rights is a pretty big deal, though, so if they say whether or not something's a genocide, it's worth paying attention. However, the report you linked doesn't make a statement one way or the other - in fact it doesn't contain the word genocide even once. It does list an awful lot of things that the Genocide Convention includes in its definition, though. A report that presents a lot of evidence of genocide but little against, and says crimes against humanity are happening while stopping short of making a definitive claim of genocide isn't something that says a there's no genocide. The people who've shown you that report and said it says there's no genocide are misrepresenting it to push an agenda. Several countries recognised a genocide based on the evidence the report gave (although obviously they weren't all without an agenda of their own).

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You're whining about being called a tankie and banned, while repeating tankies talking points.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    The tankie talking point is that nothing bad is happening to the Uyghurs, which is blatantly false.

    Bad things have absolutely happened to them. They suffered violence from Salafi-Jihad terrorists[1][2] and suffered mass unemployment from the West’s (led by the US, ofc) embargoes on Xinjiang cotton, the region’s main export, which only adds tinder to terrorism potentially re-igniting. Given the last 25 years of the US showing the world that it doesn’t give a rat’s about Muslims, and given that it considers China to be its greatest adversary/enemy, one shouldn’t uncritically accept its professed motive: to protect poor, oppressed Uyghurs.

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