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Banned from meanwhileongrad for "No db0 allowed". (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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[–] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

I'll state here for the record, since despite I not making a single comment in this entire situation, i've been accused of "denying genocide":

I know nothing about Holodomor or Xinjiang, nothing at all. I've been meaning to read into Xinjiang in particular, but it seems hard to untangle for me + i'm busy these days. I'm not "denying" shit i literally am just clueless about this, i'm not going to remove pro/anti-xinjiang comments while i don't know shit about it.

The fact that some tried to twist it into me "supporting genocide" is really fucking malicious. I haven't ever commented on it even once, even in my criticisms of china because i'm simply too uneducated to confidently say anything about it.

I did upvote Unruffled's comment which was the 'proof', but in my defense i did not see that last part, and i only really read the first paragraph.

I should also mention i am only speaking for myself, not the other admins. That's for them to do.

FYI goat, i downvoted the post you screenshotted because the person, @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de, made this disgusting comment and got permabanned on LW + here for it. He's a horrible person, which is why i downvoted his post. Not because of the content.

I am not a tankie, not even hexbear/ml users consider me as such; I've also seen other stuff about me being a Soviet apologist (?) Which, no, from using the search feature, I have not it seems. Unless they're including the time I was being nice to cowbee... ? Either way I personally do not have a positive opinion of the USSR but I really don't want to get into that here.

I have also had a conversation with cowbee themselves once where I told them I disagree with them with the USSR, China and Ukraine about a week ago, so no, I am not an apologist for the Soviet union.

I think that's all the claims debunked. I feel pretty hurt about all of them and that I had to do this, but I'm glad its finally done. I've been feeling anxious about this for days. But I have already forgiven pugjesus, so I'll let it go. I should've done this earlier, since the smearing was taking a big toll on me and putting way more stress on me than I already had. :/

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fyi @Zagorath@aussie.zone

    On top of that:

    To be clear, if I haven’t been already, I 100% condemn China’s actions towards the Uyghurs. Is it technically a genocide? Depends what definition you’re working with, but to my mind it meets the definition.

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21075559

    Posting this here as !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works single mod seems quite ban happy lately, and resorting to debatable arguments

    My community is also bigger lol

    https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20731327

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I know nothing about Holodomor or Xinjiang, nothing at all. I've been meaning to read into Xinjiang in particular, but it seems hard to untangle for me + i'm busy these days. I'm not "denying" shit i literally am just clueless about this, i'm not going to remove pro/anti-xinjiang comments while i don't know shit about it.

    The fact that some tried to twist it into me "supporting genocide" is really fucking malicious. I haven't ever commented on it even once, even in my criticisms of china because i'm simply too uneducated to confidently say anything about it.

    I am just looking over old posts because of some unrelated Lemmy drama, and I saw this. The UN report is pretty comprehensive and objective about it (according to most people aside from the Chinese government):

    https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125932

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf

    The report is pretty dense, but looking over the TOC and skimming individual sections can tell you a lot about what the underlying reality without particular spin from any particular side applied to it is. It doesn't use the word "genocide," which some people have used to say that it found "not genocide." Some people have extrapolated from the descriptions of family separation / limits on religious and cultural expression / sterilization / etc, to say of course it's genocide and they just didn't use the word. Other people disagree with that assessment for various reasons. But IDK, what's in the report is more or less the facts of what's happening as far as people can determine them without having to take anyone's word for it, I think.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago*

    There's no travel restrictions in Xinjiang, you can just go there. Though you will have to show a pic of your passport to like 50% of cops, and answer the "where did you come from, where are you going, <insert random third, probing question>". They're still cops, but some can be genuinely helpful at times.

    In any case, you're probably going to find while there is nothing recognizable as a genocide, the actual issues and perspectives these people have once you break through the surface are too complex and specific to understand while limited by phone translate, let alone form a meaningful opinion.

    But maybe you'll fare better than me.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    I did upvote Unruffled’s comment which was the ‘proof’, but in my defense i did not see that last part, and i only really read the first paragraph.

    You also downvoted multiple posts discussing the Uyghur genocide, and that were about, exclusively, criticism of the Uyghur genocide.

    Either you're bullshitting now, or you weren't reading anything you were voting on then; just, I don't know, giving up and downvotes according to who was being responded to, I guess?

    I guess you don't know much about the Holodomor either, considering you and the rest of the admins left that lovely bit of denialism up as well.

    If calling you out for being part of a fucking moderation team that removes one form of genocide denial, but 'conveniently' seems to ignore every major form of tankie genocide denialism is malicious, what the fuck do your actions come off as? Benevolent?

    There was a misunderstanding about Fxomt's votes. I overreacted considerably, and I retract my accusations towards Fxomt.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    You also downvoted multiple posts discussing the Uyghur genocide, and that were about, exclusively, criticism of the Uyghur genocide.

    I genuinely do not remember doing this, but i apologize.

    Either you're bullshitting now, or you weren't reading anything you were voting on then; just, I don't know, giving up and downvotes according to who was being responded to, I guess?

    I do vote irresponsibly and occasionally vote things that i go back to later and go "why the fuck did i upvote/downvote this?" I've been called out for this before too and i want to be more careful with voting in the future.

    I guess you don't know much about the Holodomor either, considering you and the rest of the admins left that lovely bit of denialism up as well.

    I literally said that in my comment. "I know nothing about Holodomor or Xinjiang, nothing at all"

    If calling you out for being part of a fucking moderation team that removes one form of genocide denial, but 'conveniently' seems to ignore every major form of tankie genocide denialism is malicious

    Dude, I know about zionism + the Gaza genocide, that's something i can confidently act upon. I literally told you i know nothing about what's going on in Xinjiang / what happened in Holodomor.

    what the fuck do your actions come off as? Benevolent?

    Besides the voting which in retrospect was wrong, literally what actions; i haven't removed a single comment or post in this situation.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I genuinely do not remember doing this, but i apologize.

    I do vote irresponsibly and occasionally vote things that i go back to later and go “why the fuck did i upvote/downvote this?” I’ve been called out for this before too and i want to be more careful with voting in the future.

    Then I apologize for jumping to the conclusion that it was malice. I'm high-strung on my best days, and I shouldn't have assumed that you and the other admins were on the same page.

    I literally said that in my comment. “I know nothing about Holodomor or Xinjiang, nothing at all”

    I read that as Uyghurs or Xinjiang. I suppose I have to confess to having misread something now.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The fact that you're being downvoted for your comment after walking it back can probably be turned into a statement about the human psyche, but I'm not creative enough to make it.

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