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[–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The genocide convention doesn't actually cover this. The threshold for the crime of genocide is high, it is the crime of crimes. "Cultural genocide" in the absence of extermination/mass murder/ethnic cleansing does not meet that threshold.

It's not just me that says so, the UN says so. The ICJ says so. They don't call it genocide because it isn't genocide.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It literally does. There's a line item specifically about forcibly transferring children, and that was a key element of both the genocides they mentioned.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Can you imagine non-genocidal intent for removing children from their parents? I can.

    That's why one line item isn't actually enough to call it genocide, without the extermination element and without the intent it doesn't meet the threshold. Again, there is a reason the UN or ICJ have not called it genocide.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Either you've not read the definition and are guessing, or you're intentionally misrepresenting it. The definition requires any (not all, and not multiple) of several acts, and forcible removal of children is one of them. It also requires an intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Both the Canadian and Australian governments have admitted this past intent. They recognise their own past genocides. The UN and ICJ don't need to issue a report into a genocide that's already been stopped domestically and is already being punished domestically as they're international organisations that enforce international law only after the nations concerned have failed to do so themselves.

    You're using the word it as if you're forgetting we're in a thread talking about two different genocides, neither of which is against Uyghurs. As China isn't part of the ICJ, it's not within their jurisdiction to say whether or not there's a genocide, and would be just as silly to bring up as if someone said that the British Crown Prosecution Service never charged OJ Simpson with murder and tried to suggest that meant he was definitely innocent. I'm not sure whether it's as silly as thinking that Canada and Australia are one country, though, which is the other reason you might have said it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In other words, no, you don't. I'd ridicule you more but the fact that you're trying to rules-lawyer a technicality around the definition of genocide has already done it for me.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Take it up with the UN and ICJ, not me. They're the ones who don't think it meets the definition.

    I guess you're smarter and more qualified than them though so they should probably listen to you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The UN is notoriously susceptible to political pressure so it's really not surprising. Are you going to try to make the case that the CCP regime currently occupying the ROC's mainland territory has not exerted such pressure because the UN can't be corrupted, or will you be swift enough to realize that directly contradicts your other factory-preset talking points about America's history of shady influence on the UN?

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