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[–] 22 points 1 year ago*

So... while I agree with the general sentiment of not escalating violence, not attracting police attention, and basically not escalating shit... #1 and 2 lead to the bystander effect which leaves people getting hurt and not getting help.

There has to be some balancing aspect to this, and #3 is not strong enough to count.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Also don't just be all in one place, protest EVERYWHERE

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't know how to feel about that.

    I think there definitely are forms of protest that objectively just hurt any movement. A few people looting stores, setting random stuff on fire and most forms of violence will make the whole crowd appear violent and scare off the general public. If you protest against Trump and then steal stuff from a local store, the vast majority will neither see that as related to Trump nor as an acceptable form of protest. Less people will protest and, more importantly, Trump can use the videos etc. to justify his behavior.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Trump does not require any justification for his behavior.

    A riot is the language of the unheard. The middle class is not the target of that messaging. It is the working class. Factories can be torn down, businesses can be destroyed. The institutions of power can be dismantled. We are not powerless. They are vulnerable to us. The ruling class cares more for their property than for the lives of workers. This is not new tactics. It has been used effectively since the beginning of the industrial revolution. The more the state colludes with the ruling class to inflict political violence upon us, the more we inflict revolutionary violence on the institutions and the infrastructure of the state.

    Educate others instead of propagandizing as a counter revolutionary. Those who would be swayed by fabricatdd news stories about violent BLM and ANTIFA protesters are already too far gone and they are not the people we need to reach.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Trump does not require any justification for his behavior.

    Trump needs a certain level of support from the general public. If he sends the army in face of peaceful protestors, he sets that support at risk. But if the news show videos of protestors looting and setting random stuff on fire, the audience is much more likely to believe his narrative and support his actions.

    A riot is the language of the unheard.

    When it comes to violence, I always try to take the perspective of my political opponents. I see myself as pretty left leaning but in a democracy I have to accept that there are also different opinions on how a society should work.

    That does not mean that I see all right wing concepts and ideas as acceptable and if a conservative person wants to be respected by me, I expect them to also draw a line and distance themselves from the radical, far-right extremists. If a conservative person supports right wing violence, that's an absolute no go for me.

    But likewise, if I want my opinion to be respected by moderate conservatives, I have to distance myself from protest forms I don't support. And if people randomly destroy foreign property that is not at all related to the protest, I just can't get behind that. If I then keep protesting along such people, but condemn others when they just look away or go away from far-right extremists, as recommended here for a left-leaning protest, that's double standards for me.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I think there definitely are forms of protest that objectively just hurt any movement. A few people looting stores, setting random stuff on fire and most forms of violence will make the whole crowd appear violent and scare off the general public.

    I do not agree with this. The George Floyd Uprising / protests started violent and it still became massive and actually dangerous to the status quo.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I'm going to fedex to print these out biz card size and hand out at my city's gathering. But I doubt if even 10 people show up here. People around my parts don't do shit. lol

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago
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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Wear multiple layers of clothing so you can dip into the crowd and drop your outer layer if you've drawn unwanted attention.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    lol. im doing quite the opposite.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Why is this person getting downvoted?

    What if someone's actions draw unwanted attention, and they use that clothing trick to get another protester that's wholly innocent in hot water just because they look the same?

    This is about PROTECTING OUR PEOPLE, not hiding away and potentially throwing others under the bus with poorly thought out actions.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Y'all should rethink it. How does changing your outer layers incriminate anyone else? If they "look the same" they probably would've gotten shit anyways..

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because if your old outer layers look like one of the countless other people near you? And now there's one less person that looks like you did?

    Again, maybe grow the fuck up and don't take actions in a peaceful protest that make you need to change your goddamn appearance. Like you have to be completely fucking braindead to do shit that gives the enemy more ammo.

    This isn't a fucking field trip, and if you think it is, you're a goddamned troglodyte.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lmao. You know that's flimsy af at best.

    They're talking about gunning down protestors en mass. I think they've already got enough ammo.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    You went, right? Had a different atmosphere from what you're used to when you think of protests, right?

    There are times when we need to send a message, and a message that CONFLICTS with the narrative they are trying to sell about how we're pushing back. That's what I meant by ammo, not literal ammunition. They sell a narrative, and we push back against it as if our actions are taking part in a debate. This is how we get more average people into our rank.

    There's a time and place for more raucous unrest, and it's not when elders are in our rank, nor when those who structured the protest state that said actions are unwelcome.

    Downvote all you want (lol, can't see it on my end since I blocked c/Ohio) but I hope you hold onto the anger you have for when we really need it, which still seems like it's right around the corner.

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