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[–] 67 points 1 year ago

A rich executive put the lives of others below penny pinching profits?

I'm shook. 🫩

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I recently had the privilege of cleaning up code by a big India out sourcing company. The code quality was some of the worst I have seen in my 30 years of programming. Then I found [this article] (https://www.industryweek.com/supply-chain/article/22027840/boeings-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers) about the same company writing code for Boeing.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    I am genuinely curious why on Earth airline companies are still buying Boeing planes. The last 5-10 crashes all included their planes and it is a mystery why their shares didn't tank more.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Because what are you gonna do? Not fly?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Because the stock market is a fucking scam.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    they probably already bought too many of Boeing planes before these accidents happened. So what are they gonna do, put a bunch of Boeing planes in the back room and use Airbus? Still when i fly, I avoid Boeing like a plague. The problem is there are very limited Airbus flights for my route.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Planes they already have can't really be grounded immediately without replacements. Buying replacements takes time and money. Negotiating contracts also takes time. Pre existing contracts tying a company to boeing probably exist in some places. There's probably some incentive to not drop a somewhat strategic business on a whim. And maybe some people believe that boeing will start pulling their head out of their ass at some point.

    And all that would be a hindrance assuming there is a will to stop buying boeing planes, AND move to another, potentially foreign business like Airbus.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Organisational inertia. Planes are expensive, and getting them and qualified personnel to fly and maintain them is a long and complicated process for the airline companies (and the governments supporting the airlines).

    They get the news about Boeing being crap, but they can't just reverse a decision in one day, because the decision to go with Boeing was made years or decades ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The real reason is that airlines don’t want a monopoly where there’s only one relevant manufacturer that can dictate airframe prices to them. That’s why you will see almost every airline trying to at least somewhat balance the scales between Airbus and Boeing.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Boeing is run too much by Wall Street.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    What capitalist giant corp isn't?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Sooo robber barons are better?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yes. Unambigiously.

    What would you rather have, one person with a ton of power making decisions, or abstract it out over a group and diffuse all responsibility?

    Both are bad, but one of them has a (likely not morally great) person at the top, the other has lots of robber barons sharing ownership and collectively demanding line go up

    A person isn't usually dumb enough to fire half their workforce, because they know their bread and butter comes from that workforce. A consulting company advising the business and shareholders at the same time can easily do such stupidity for short term profits

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    What would you rather have, one person with a ton of power making decisions, or abstract it out over a group and diffuse all responsibility?

    That pretty much describes democracy.

    Government ideologies don't apply in any clear way here, of course. A corporation is an oversized market stall, and the main argument is how to regulate them and if we should have them at all. But, if that's the bit you take issue with there's a clear parallel.

    A person isn’t usually dumb enough to fire half their workforce, because they know their bread and butter comes from that workforce. A consulting company advising the business and shareholders at the same time can easily do such stupidity for short term profits

    That can go both ways, though. Think about Twitter X, MyPillow and Chick-Fil-A. And the countless sketchy small businesses that exist.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    No no no... It's not democracy, it's abstraction

    Democracy would be a worker owned business. Where the people who do the thing decide how it should be done. And it's great, it makes sense, it's ethical, and the decisions are made democratically by the most informed people

    Stock markets don't work like that. At one point you had voting, but now it's all speculation and layers of abstraction

    Do you think the shareholders know or care how the business is being run? No, they just want line go up, because they've got a dozen other places to shift the money to if it's not going up fast enough

    They don't know or care if the company is dumping chemicals into the lake until the rest of us do. They don't know that the cars are dangerous, but it was cheaper to set aside money for damages.

    They aren't part of the company at all - they have no responsibility for what the company does. They have no control... Except, collectively. Maybe they could join together to replace a board member or sell to lower the price negligably. And the board has a responsibility to the shareholders. And the CEO just listens to the same consultant the shareholders do

    So really, it's no one's fault.

    Chick fila donates to hate groups, but they also front the money for new franchise owners. Costco pays well. Arizona iced tea doesn't raise their prices because they have no debt and the guy says he's making enough money.

    Yes, you're going to have shit heads and good people... But as bad as my pillow guy is I'd be shocked if he was knowingly poisoning people... That usually weighs on a person's conscience, but not so much if they can diffuse the responsibility

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I'm not going to say you're wrong, exactly. I can't prove that. I don't know if there's any actual data comparing the two models, and I'm guessing you know the same history I do when it comes to the gritty days of trusts before the multinational.

    You have to see how that argument can apply to systems of government, though. It's out of fashion to want a "benevolent dictator", but that's the exact kind of thing people hoped for from Louis XIV or Mussolini. Cut through the bureaucracy, stop shifting responsibility around, give help directly where it's needed.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Black Rock basically owns the entire stock market. Even the best intentioned companies eventually have to cave to fiduciary duty to shareholders.

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Sounds like the planes Boeing sent to India had foreign object debris rattling around inside conduits.

    That’s a ticking time bomb for random electrical failures, such as both engines shutting down right after takeoff.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Boeing: the sound a plane makes when it hits the ground

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    or when the front falls off midflight.

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  • [+] -18 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Too early to make assumptions.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You know why the 2008 financial crisis happened? Banks sold assets under the assumption that their credit rating was intact.

    Sure, I would afford Airbus every benefit of a doubt, but sorry, Boeing is building a track record which none of us should ignore. My speculation is warranted.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Not to mention, they definitely offed a whistleblower. The guy specifically told his family and friends that he was not suicidal, and had no intent whatsoever to take his own life… and then is found dead after missing a testimony date.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Of course a suicide would have advance knowledge of their own death. It's not unusual for suicidal people to lie about their own mental health. Especially to their closest loved ones.

    What you point out could only support a vague suspicion; a motive to look for compelling evidence. Hanging a whole murder conspiracy on evidence this thin is not the product of critical thought.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    username checks out. You should leave the critical thinking to people who aren't born yesterday

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    critical thinking is when you can differentiate a multimillion dollar corporation defending itself vs. pilots and crew who have nothing to gain and a lot of risk coming out about how bad their ex-employer screwed up and swept it under the rug. this sort of stuff is not uncommon from corporations.

    I am more likely to believe that Air India was screwing up because they have a history of this. If a lot of people complain about smoke coming out of places it shouldn't be, then i would listen to them rather than the owner who pretends everything is fine.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    only if you deliberately bury your head at evidence or on Boeing payroll.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Listen man, I personally go out of my way to not fly on Boeing planes, but we have no idea what happened to the Air India flight. And frankly, what we know about QC problems with 787 airframes is nowhere close to giving you an immediate double engine rollback right after rotation.

    Of course, as always on Lemmy, people who know very little about a topic will accuse those with more nuanced opinions of being paid off because they’re not validating their simple world views. It’s like discussing people in a crack house.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    oh nuanced! you're so sophisticated! first don't dismiss others as if they have no idea. acknowledge you may not be the smartest in the room. Otherwise you come off as a clown.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Boeing is straight fucking scum, but that was the strangest plane crash I've ever seen. (LOL, like I'm an export.) The truth will out.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    i've seen one, where the plane stalled after taking off and then kinda went backwards, then dove frontal again. if i remember correctly, unsecured cargo was suspected. it fell like a leaf.

    found it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/may/01/747-cargo-plane-crash-bagram-airbase-video

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Thanks for sharing this.

    Aside from the promotional material in the video, it's nice to see something that shows the raw footage instead of some talking heads babbling over an edited cut.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah.... The article is conflating power failure with engine failure. It was a very odd plane crash, and it didn't appear that they had power failure. It looks like they lost thrust on both engines, which is really rare in multiengine aircraft.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Yep, another Boeing mystery crash where everything stopped working at once.

    I'm kinda suspicious that the critical moments weren't actually missing from Jeju Air's black boxes when they were delivered to the US.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The 787 has backup power for black boxes while the 737 uses an outdated design that does not, so there shouldn't be missing data hopefully.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Good. They might be more intact, too, given how it sounds like this plane landed.

    I don't know much about the deep details of either plane, but as I understand it there is a backup power system on the 737, albeit not one for the black boxes themselves. The indications were it just failed as well, at the same time.

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