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[–] 177 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Yeah, everyone should stop using Instagram, Facebook, threads, reddit, tik tok. But the FOMO is too strong. It's too bad, if they did it would fix most of their problems in like a week.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Exactly.

    Okay, now do religion.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Everyone should stop going to churches, synagogues, mosques, the church of latter day saints, and scientology. But the FOMO and fear of eternal damnation is too strong. It's too bad, if they could just realize that everything is god including themselves, they could live happier more fulfilling lives in like a week.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    People don't really go to services for god or salvation, they do it for community.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    100 percent true. After many long years of observation and philosophical debates with myself, this was the logical conclusion I came to.

    Most of those who visit th se "holy places" do so for the community and rarely for any actual religious reason.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I'm actively working on moving on from Facebook. The amount of false information on the platform is just astounding and when you report the lies, you just get a response saying it doesn't break any rules. Not even talking politics here, there was deceptive AI post about two top tennis players, that I reported.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Why is the leftist approach is to platform the opposition while the rights approach is to overwhelm the space until it does what they want?

    Which approach do you think is working and which one do you think is failing?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Which approach do you think requires more money and cooperation from the network management?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Neither.

    Both sides have money. In fact the left has much more money than the right.

    We're not even talking about big money here. The average right leaning person will give a dollar to any thing they agree with. The left mull over the morality and ethics of a thing until it passes then they say "well I would punch a Nazi if I ever needed to" but they can't even muster the energy to read a comment they disagree with.

    Look at the donations given to random assholes who said something anti vaccination. Millions of donating poured in. Look at that women that yelled racial slurs at kids in a park. Millions.

    I saw Jon Stewart posted here the other day and the comments were calling him a fascist.

    We're fucking done.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I asked which approach requires more money, not who has more. You said the left doesnt want to spend that money, ok. Maybe the mass of liberals collectively has more money, maybe. Not the left though. And the network cooperation part? Which agendas are being priviledged by the recomendation algorithms in social medias?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What is the money doing? It does what we do for free. The algorithm favoured the right because they create content. It's not a finger on the scale saying show people more right wing stuff. It's the the right share and create content because they actively engage and participate online rather than sit in the sidelines. But the left wing causes and political parties see more donations than the right on average.

    Democrats are able to raise more capital. Left leaning voters earn a higher Average income than right leaning. There's money on the left we're just less effective and more apathetic.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    There is a finger on the scale though. Youre underestimating its weight. When we disagree on the "left" having money and sharing stuff, etc, i think we actually just disagree on who is the left. In my view, the left is probably a smaller group than in your view. This smaller group i consider left doesnt have much money, and does get a diminished voice in social media despite engaging a lot (relative to its demographic proportion).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I would argue you marginalizing the left into a smaller group is pretty beneficial to the right and you might want to view it critically. Like if you were the right with a lot of money and effort in astro turfing and targeting the left online then maybe you have succumbed to something they may have pushed. How would you know either way?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Sure. I dont want to demonize people that arent left. Theres a portion of those that align with us on certain topic, some are apathic, and some are also violently against us.

    Sure I may be taken by propaganda sometimes. Its not easy to tell. But focusing on specific issues helps clear that a bit. Someone that calls themselves "left" but doesnt believe in a completely socialized healthcare system, do they really have a leftist view on this topic? Im all for joining forces for some cause, but are the wealthy "leftists" really for, or against, inheritance taxes, socialized healthcare, ...?

    Besides, this doesnt touch on the issues of social networks priviledging certain political positions. If you look at instagram, most posts that appear are recomendations of the network to the specific user, rather than posts of who they follow. The interface pushes you off of what you intended to see and into a personalised recomendations playlist. Demobilizing "progressive" content à la us Democrat party gets normal reach in those platforms, while actual mobilizing content gets reduced reach.

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  • [–] 93 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Instagram is Facebook so no surprise there.

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  • [–] 187 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That's what happens when you sukk the zukk

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I really wish we had an end-to-end encrypted option where posts are only shared and accessible to people you've added. Some of us don't wish to post our personal photos to everyone on the internet.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Signal lets you post "stories". Not sure exactly how it works because I'm not into that sort of thing, but it might be something to check out.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah I'm the same (not really into that type of posting).

    I basically want what Facebook once was, but with e2ee. Something like: you make a post, only people you've added can see it. They can comment, and if they choose, your friends can see that comment also.

    Something to prevent mass scraping and data collection, while retaining the 'keeping up with old aquitances' vibe old Facebook used to have.

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  • [–] 89 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When will we get over the corpo social media

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  • [+] 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    "We use technology or a review team to identify content that should be covered," a notice obscuring the post reads. "This post doesn't go against our Community Standards, but may contain images that some people might find upsetting."

    Yeah, I bet.

    "What the f**k, Instagram?" a Bluesky user wrote.

    k.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    My wife is very progressive and believes in human rights. Her Facebook feed went conservative about a week ago now with constant right wing propaganda.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Big tech has gone full fascist for a bit now

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    With literally no tech opposition from the left

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It's almost as though most of the techbros are fascists who read about half of Atlas Shrugged and think it makes them smart.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The left had so many things they hated that the right manipulated them into cancelling every single celebrity with a skeleton in their closet. This made all of the terrified. At the same time the right showed they will defend and enrich anyone who even looks their way. The left alienated everyone they could, the right embraced them and offered a safe space. This isn't complicated. It isn't Atlas Shrugged. It's basic human nature and social awareness. The left bought right into so many poisoned apples.

    I read through the comments. Literally someone below is even saying "Tech bros are all fascist sympathizers". I like tech. Do I now say fuck the left because that's me I like tech and therefore I am a fascist sympathizer? Like its unreal how the left labels things and then has no awareness why they have lost people who traditionally would have been leaning left. I don't think there ever will be any self awareness on this either.

    I can't imagine the mentality of walking around and saying everything and everyone is a piece of shit and then at the end of the day going "why is nobody supporting me". People are not fascist or Nazis or whatever because they are helping Trump. They just hate all of you. A lot of the world does.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Sure, but what? All the tech-savvy Americans are fascist sympathizers? No actually bright and plugged-in people in the tech world?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fascist techbros were already somewhere between wealthy and ultra wealthy.

    There are plenty of non-fascist tech-savvy Americans, they just don't control Scrooge McDuck amounts of money.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago*

    Breaking things online isn’t expensive. The asymmetry is the point. In the digital arena, knowledge scales faster than money.

    Organize. Identify fascist sympathizing corporations- infrastructure disruption, financial sabotage, data exposure..

    Even for those who aren’t “hackers,” why is there not a massive indimidation campaign against MAGA trash? Catfish, get receipts, out cheaters, perverts, and pedos to their families and communities. Find the “apolitical” folks who LARP like Nazis on Twitter. Share their Nazi shit with their employers.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    FB has been normally Right wing propaganda arm for ru, for like a decade. i think they might have ramped it up. plus AI bots are probably running the site anyways.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Truth, I was in the boy to alt-right pipeline cause Facebook targets literally everybody with these obtrusive ads and logic void arguments that cause brain rot. I was 15 going on hate crime because a popular Facebook post told me I was an alpha, ten years before this beta/alpha shit hit the mainstream. I'm a much more reserved adult but I'm so depressed my family still takes part in social media. I feel like I don't have friends because I'm not on insta like what hell did we turn into

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    She's not very progressive if she uses Facebook.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I have asked her to get off of Facebook for awhile, but she is reluctant because her whole family uses it as their primary form of communication.

    I ditched Facebook finally during COVID. I had already known it was a garbage platform, but I was feeling similarly because a lot of people I knew used it. The same thing happened to my feed though and I started getting a ton of anti-vax content.

    What was worse is because I am pro-health and medical technology I advocated for people to be safe. I started getting death threats by friends of friends. I was flabbergasted and decided to delete my account then and there. If Facebook could turn people anti-vax and pro-murder I had to leave.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yeah the people become awful on it. But then there is also the data collection and the active political manipulation by the platform itself. Not to mention directly funding Zuckerberg and his plans.

    I never was on Facebook, I saw it as a bad idea when it came out. But I understand how many people including friends or family use it. I am pretty blunt: they support Trump, they support billionaires, they support fascism. Both figuratively and literally. Zuck just purchased 11 homes to make yet another compound. The money is from people participating. There is no mincing of words on this, particularly now. Fortunately people are beginning to see that they are getting less of what they asked for (friends and family updates) and that seems to be annoying them enough to at least consider other options. Its harder for them to understand how much of their information had been slanted or even hidden from them.

    I know it is hard. Thanks for sharing that you work in a field were you could see how manipulation and non critical thinking can make everybody seems so crazy. COVID was so full of lies and nonsense it was unreal. I lost a lot of people that I thought would never believe in Qanon or conspiracy and I think I can tie a straight line back to Facebook.

    The next target is getting people off Instagram, and those folks are dug in even harder.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)
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    Not even remotely the same. Being on Facebook actively funds fascism there is no other way to look at it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    So does purchasing groceries at Walmart, but many Americans have no choice in that matter.

    I do appreciate that you had a more empathetic comment for the guy whose girlfriend is still on Facebook. Thank you for having the civility to not call her a fascist sympathizer to his face. But don't worry, your true feelings are safe with me.

    This is not how you make allies btw.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    We are way beyond finding allies. Call it what it is.

    Does Walmart actively distort your news, your information, your opinions? Does it select what you see to push an agenda? Does it require yo to provide information about who you are and who your friends are?

    I have a distaste for people shopping at wallmart, but this is beyond that.

    Remember, there is nothing Facebook provides that anyone needs. It is a choice.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago*

    Funny how such glitches never happen to nazi posts.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It’s really disturbing seeing social media start leaning this way. It’s very obvious controlled fascist propaganda. Have you seen what Twitter is now? It’s actually creepy and insane.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Remove yourself from algo driven sites, set up an rss reader and hand pick your media, subcribe to newsletters of trustworthy media sites, delete useless apps from your phone or better jailbreak it and install graphene, get an e-reader secondhand and start reading etc etc.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This is how everything works under capitalism.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Capitalism? Are these paid services? This is bribery. They are getting something from the government for pushing their agenda.

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    [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Did you all forget Insta is just Facebook for people under 65?

    Same parent company. Same priorities. The same people pushing AI gen antarctic ice wall and horse dewormer content on your memaw are deciding what you see too.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Meta is actively pursuing government contracts for uses of its supercomputer it's putting online next year and it's AI investments. They are becoming a defense contractor essentially. To acquire contracts during this regime, I'm sure they will give any backdoor and facial recognition assistance the Pentagon asks for.

    Being redundant to say this. People are actively posting pictures of themselves, their families, and their locations continuously and sending them to a government defense contractor. Posting their activities, hobbies, who they interact with, their food, et cetera.

    If news companies cared about people's privacy, they would be broadcasting that on every network warning the population in my opinion. But that would piss off the U.S. government, and they don't want that.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago
    [–] 26 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    You mean the app that's run by a fascist and that promotes genocide? I'm shocked. SHOCKER!!! \s

    (Seriously use Pixelfed instead, even if only partially for support.)

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  • [+] -19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Pixelfed is dead just like mastadon . Loops was the only hope but someone on dbzero said loops is also fucked

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    By that same logic, Lemmy is dead, so what are you doing here?

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No it's not . You replied people reply is the proof but on pixelfed their are no replies. Dead area

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So.. If you think that wonder what you could do about it? If only there was somewhat to get involved and make a difference....

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    i dont want to do mastdon and its clones like planora or something is a failed experiment to copy what x / twitter did . to make that type of layout to work there need to be a lot more stuff and the big problem is people will always see new stuff instead of reddit like layout where people also see old stuff and thats why lemmy survived and mastadon did not

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    All platforms are just becoming censorship hellholes for the owners.

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  • [+] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Why not work with each other to find ways to get around these things and overwhelm the platform. Like remember when people found that AI put guardrails in. People were not on these comments saying "well guys we should pack it up and leave it alone, I don't like it anyways. No, instead the collective effort to get it to say something mean was incredible. So why is it with this stuff we convince each other to leave and let these platforms be run by the right wing people. You ever ask why there's a difference?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    They censor everything, also pro abortion posts get removed

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    So what are you all going to do about it?

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Continue to not use Facebook/Instagram.

    I switched to Lemmy when Reddit came out in support of people who abuse children. I don't even mean Trump, I just mean in general. I suggested abusers in general should face harsher penalties. They banned me for it. I said "holy shit you just did me a huge favor, apparently I was on the wrong site because our values are 100% incompatible."

    I mean, there isn't even a debate. I'm not talking about people who find themselves attracted to kids. I'm talking about people who actually went out and hurt a real child facing longer, more meaningful sentences and they said nah, those people are people and need to be protected.

    I've moved social networks on account of incompatible values and I think others will, too. Maybe not the majority but I think some others will. Especially as things get worse. There are networks for people who hate (like Truth Social), and networks for people who don't care (like Facebook/Insta/Whatsapp), but I think as things change, more people will care and will look elsewhere. Not everyone but some people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Most people will continue and have continued to use the same big name social media, and expecting different from gen x and older is foolish. And these are still massive blocks of politically important people. Never mind the swarths of people in younger generations who will and are falling for the same dumb shit.

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