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[–] 82 points 1 year ago*

Yeah, the genocide of Palestinians IS another holocaust!

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  • [–] 95 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Aren't the Palestinians Semites?

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The word "semite" has two definitions, one mediveal and one modern.
    Palestinians are Semites according to both of them.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Are eastern European origin Ashkenazis, semites, under any definition?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Only if you go by the International Holocaust Rememberance Alliance definition that people are starting to drop.. By their definition if you criticise Jews or Israel you're antisemetic. They even call their new definition something like a work in progress

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    While yes, the specific term "anti-Semitism" was popularized by the German journalist Wilhelm Marr as an alternative to the (at the time) more common phrase Judenhaß (e.g. Jew-hatred).

    Basically, he wanted a more scientific-sounding term that made it sound less like plain hatred of other people but made it seem like the supposed deficiencies of Jewish people was a byproduct of their race rather than belonging to Jewish individuals.

    His use of semitism/semitic as only referring to Jewish people rather than the broader group of peoples the terms had, originally, been coined for was also in line with other Germans of both his era and the previous century (and certainly into the next century as the Nazis used these reasonings to back their more developed "race" science and world-view).

    That targeting has often been retained by the word even as it's outgrown its original prejudiced purpose.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It says “Free Palestin”. Totally different place

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    This is indeed yet another holocaust! Messages promoting human rights, especially the right to survival, may have once been "dirty jew" arguments, during German Nazi regime. Thank goodness that challenges to ethnic supremacy can be freely compared to a holocaust, today. Much progress.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Tony is glorifying the label "antisemite." Nobody is winning here.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    You know who else is "glorifying" antisemite? Israel.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    Boo hoo, somebody has a wake up call. Because this isnt antisemitic this is targeted. It is a simple fact that the vast majority of Jewish people support the Occupation, a smaller (but still majority) percentage of people either implicitly or explicitly supports the genocide.

    I know this because im acturally Jewish, ive acturally seen the occupation with my own eyes, ive spoken to more Zionists than I could possibly count, and I know that there are few fellow Jews like me.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It is a simple fact that the vast majority of Jewish people support the Occupation

    Even if this were true, it would still be wrong to target a random Jewish person for your message about Israel. Members of a class should not be treated differently because of that class, even if the concerns of the wider class are valid. That is literally prejudice. Pre-judicial thinking, you are judging them early.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Did you do the trip to Israel thing? I had a friend in college, cool kid he was Jewish and then one summer he did that free trip to Israel thing. I don't know what kind of brain washing they do, but he comes back randomly going off about Palestinians (this was decades ago) it was like all he can talk about and if you even defended their right to exist he would go into a huge tirade.

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  • Oh yeah thats a common thing, its calling "coming to Israel, returning from Palestine". Its when you see the horrors of the occupation and immediately become radicalized. I too have taken part in this and have seen many horrors, I have seen the destruction in Gaza and I have seen the military occupation in the west bank. Through my person experiences I have come to one conclusion

    THE ZIONIST OCCUPATION HAS NO INHERENT RIGHT TO EXIST

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Unfortunately It came from external provider. I like Iberia.

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  • I thought this WASNT about anti semitism

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (43 children)

    For those confused, the concern of most of us is not that free palestine is an antisemitic statement, it is unequivocally not. The antisemitic part is thinking that because someone is jewish (ordering a kosher meal) that they need to be harassed and told "free palestine" let alone made to question the safety of their food.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    The details are lacking, if this is on everyones meals, then that's ok in my books, if it only targets Jewish people then there is a problems

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    https://liveandletsfly.com/free-palestine-iberia-kosher-meal/ It was on other kosher meals, it does not technically say it wasn't also on other non-kosher meals. I think it's a reasonable assumption though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What if this was directed at someone wearing an Israeli flag. Does that mean it was not targeting a Jewish person and instead voicing political opposition to a political entity?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Way more than Jewish people order the kosher meal on a plane. You're making a bit of a leap assuming they're not Israeli. Not to mention assuming the story is real for which there's no evidence.

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  • [+] -2 points 1 year ago (7 children)
  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The offense is not at the message, it's that they were targeted to have it delivered.

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  • [+] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Idk sounds pretty racist to give a guy ordering kungpao chicken a "Free Uyghurs" note.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Supporting Israel is more racist than this.

    Okay.

    Guess I should start vocally denouncing the CCP and their Uyghur genocide before I get myself a Malatang.

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  • [+] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This person isn't supporting genocide, you're just acting like an asshole and then pretending that anyone who doesn't like it is is pro-Israel.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    and you want me to debate you about a message a group of people who eat traditionally Jewish food and may be Israeli

    buddy you're doing that anyway. Conflating Israelis with Jews is wrong, yes. Targeting Jews to try and send a message to Israeli is wrong, yes. I know you feel like anything you like is justified since you believe in The Right Thing, but doing bad things for a good reason is still bad.

    and giving these folks a message saying free Palestine is somehow because they were targeted as potential Israeli citizens who can vote the terrorist Netanyahu out of office?

    oh wow you're incoherent with indignation, what a surprise. Why are you wasting time? There's a genocide RIGHT NOW

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Are all Jewish people committing genocide?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well they sure as hell are doing a lot more "Support for Israel" protests around the world and barely anything for Palestine. They're actually selling land in Gaza in New York and ONLY Jewish people can purchase it. Disgusting.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes; I would agree that behavior of those people is egregious.

    But I'm not actually certain you want to be on record as saying that the behavior of the majority of a group means we can judge every member of that group by it, do you? Reviving prejudicial practices feels like the wrong bandwagon.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Absolutely not, but the comment by the OC was an easy way to deflect what the majority of that population thinks. And the stickers were provided to everyone on the flight, not just specific passengers.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If isreal claims antisemitism for criticism of their policies, then they brought the Jewish population into this mess.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Which is terrible of Israel and rightly deserves criticism; I miss how it necessitates us, as individuals, to be alright or comfortable with the conflation of all Jewish people, as a whole, with holding unified belief, particularly in a world with a very long history of prejudice that argues they're a wily group that works in unified concert to achieve singular ends.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Isreal picked this fight and has been calling any criticism of their actions antisemitism. They framed the argument and turned their state actions into a racial issue.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Which is bad; obviously. Nobody in this thread is doing any apologia for Israel.

    In part because that's not what depicted in this image, is it? This was a message written explicitly on kosher meals likely because the person who did it was conflating all Jewish people with being Israel supporters. Unless you're O. K. with profiling, it should not be hard to identify the problem here. Fighting individual Jewish people is not the same as fighting Israel and it's certainly not one we should be tolerating.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If Isreal claims antisemitism for criticism of their state sponsored policy, then yes.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No, because you're conflating Jewish people with Israel.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm glad you chose such a good role model.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My role model is Judge James Horton. But go ahead with your cancel culture line of ad hominem attack.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Do they also copy Israel? How many Gazans have they slain? Do you or them also sterilize Africans?

    cancel culture line

    LMAO what a baby, eggshell ego that can't handle anyone not swallowing their bullshit.

    ad hominem attack

    You're the one that said it's okay to do something if Israel did it first, it's not ad hominem.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I am an american Jew. I am not committing genocide (well, the US is committing several right now but I don't have shit to do with it in fact I am protesting it as much as I can and my professional work in no way supports it) Fuck all the way off with that racist as fuck shit. I am not guilty of what some other Jewish (and plenty of non Jewish people) are doing any more than every arab is guilty of 9/11 or any other terrorism. People are not responsible for crimes of people who share a background with them.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    While there are a few people here, at the very least, unconsciously conflating the two, I think the point kerrigan778 is pointing out is that writing this message only on kosher meals is clearly making an assumption that a Jewish person is pro- the current genocide in Gaza.

    Sure, it's not as bad as genocide, most clearly, but it's still a form of prejudice and can put a person at risk (we could reasonably justify morally putting something that would cause damage or sickness in the food of a genocider but, if you're targeting ends up including people who aren't in support of the genocide, you're hurting those people – too –, now).

    And, given the history of hatred against Jewish people (and it's uptick starting in 2016), I'd argue it's something we should also be concerned about and stopping. I think that was their only point.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why do you think that the flight crew knew that the passenger was Jewish?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    because you have to ask for a kosher meal specifically.

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    [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If it has this label, how can you be sure someone didn't spit in it or worse?

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