Update 1

I see a framerate/refresh rate bug that occasionally locks the framerate at a low value upon unlock. Fixing it requires a lock/unlock cycle.

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[–] 72 points 1 year ago (13 children)
  • Does it have USB-C video out?
  • Do you plan to run any custom ROMs / Can it run custom ROMs?
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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    It has a USB 2.0 Type C connector, unable to carry video signal in any device AFAIK

    Edit: Here's an article about USB C video

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Yes. Massive downgrade imo. I really wanna know why they did this. It cant have been thaat expensive right?

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    To be fair (pun intended) very, very few people ever use the USB-C port for anything other than charging and maybe syncing photos to a pc.

    The connector itself costs like 8 bucks, I don't know how much more expensive it would be for them to design the signal integrity in their motherboard, required to carry the video stream.

    Still, for the price and for the market segment they're targeting, this and the lack of a 3.5mm jack for sound is inexcusable.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    To be fair (pun intended) very, very few people ever use the USB-C port for anything other than charging and maybe syncing photos to a pc.

    That's because even Samsung with its DeX feature barely advertises desktop mode. People use iPads as desktop replacements these days. Once they realize that hooking up a phone to the same USB C dock is an option, they'll use it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Google seems to be starting to invest into desktop mode again because Samsung users are loving it. So lets hope it makes a comeback in future generations.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Samsung users are loving it

    Only a small fraction because Samsung doesn't advertise it, even though they could make know off ads of Nintendo's Switch ads back in the day: Show a person playing some game on the bus, then coming home and docking the phone to the TV and the person grabs a game pad. Done. They could make a variation of the same ad every time some big name game comes to Android.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not even for gaming, but just general office work/watching videos/whatever else you can do inside a browser.

    I still want a laptop thingie with a battery under the keyboard, some ports, and where the phone acts like the trackpad when docked. I know that it would be phone specific due to the size, but seriously that would be amazing. The "laptop" can be pretty cheap being just a keyboard, battery, and monitor as well.

    Imagine a spot where someone wakes up, has their phone in a dock to stimulate an alarm clock, grabs it, and drives to work (with android auto, obviously). Next scene they arrive in the office, plug their phone into a dock with keyboard/mouse + monitor attached and start working seamlessly. Later they sit down in a café with just a tiny keyboard writing some emails on their phone, go back home and Screencast videos to their TV.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    unable to carry video signal in any device AFAIK

    That would be my personal no-go, not with upstream Android getting desktop mode and the ability to run desktop Linux applications. I sometimes use Samsung DeX when I sit down at my desk and realize that all my "regular" computers (= a notebook and a Steam Deck) are out of reach without getting up again.

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  • [+] 126 points 1 year ago (7 children)
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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm invoking the mirror clause immediately.

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  • [–] [S] 39 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Ontario, Canada. Ordered from Clove UK. Stock Fairphone OS.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What did it cost you including any shipping costs?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Which provider? I've avoided FP because I wasn't sure the big three would support

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Freedom. The only band it lacks for their Torontario network is band 13. I decided to risk it because Freedom used to run the network without band 13 until a few years ago. So I reason the coverage without it should be similar to the before time. That means a bit of a downgrade in signal and probably battery, given that band 13 is lower power, longer range fequency. But then again the FP's modem is Qualcomm so it may end up being more power efficient than the turd in my Pixel. So I decided to try it out.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Awesome, thx! I might have to try one out for my next phone cuz I love the ethos. Enjoy! 😊

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    At first congratulations to your new phone.

    A few questions:

    • Are there any notable gaps between the screen and the side? Can you e.g. put a piece of paper between it? Asking because the predecessor had these and they required cleaning from time to time as dirt accumulated in these
    • Did you test the camera yet? Are you ok with the zoom or picture quality in darkness?
    • Did you get a case? How are these available currently?
    • How is the sound quality?
    • Did you already open the backcover? Are there any difficulties in doing so?
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  • [–] [S] 23 points 1 year ago
    • Are there any notable gaps between the screen and the side? Can you e.g. put a piece of paper between it? Asking because the predecessor had these and they required cleaning from time to time as dirt accumulated in these

    Can fit a sheet just about. A thicker sheet might not fit.

    • Did you test the camera yet? Are you ok with the zoom or picture quality in darkness?

    The cam is quite decent in my testing so far. Zoom beyond 2x gets ugly quickly. The system is similar to Pixel a-series. One very good 50MP sensor for everything and low zoom, and one ultra-wide for wide shots and macro. Will be testing it more but first impressions are good. I think I can live with it coming from a Pixel 8 Pro.

    • Did you get a case? How are these available currently?

    No case, Clove didn't sell one. Still in search for a case.

    • How is the sound quality?

    Not as loud as the Pixel 8 Pro but very good and loud enough. No farts or other bad speaker noises.

    • Did you already open the backcover? Are there any difficulties in doing so?

    Not yet.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] [S] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not sure yet but it seems decent so far. Will report as I get more usage.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Is it pretty “snappy” ? Wondering if there is any lag time or if runs smoothly right away or what settings I got to mess with to minimize responses time.

    How do you like it so far?

    Any good/bad surprises?

    What OS/rom you planning to run or keep it stock?

    What were your motivations for getting it?

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Snappier than my Pixel 8 Pro.

    So far I like it. The screen is great. The speaker is decent. The camera looks to be fairly decent. Not Pixel 8 Pro level at zoom, but otherwise it seems comparable to some of the Pixel a-series cams I've seen. The only thing that bugs me so far is the shittier haptic feedback compared to the Pixel. 😄

    I am shocked how fast and good the power button fingerprint reader is. Especially coming off of the Pixel's in-screen reader.

    Running stock OS for now.

    Among other things, a combination of Fairphone releasing the 6 with improved camera and Google stopping publishing device code with Android 16. The future of third party OSes on the Pixel line is now in limbo. I'm still unsure how well the Fairphone will work on my carrier in Canada since it lacks one of the bands used. Seems okay for now. I'll need to take it out in the wild and see the impact on signal and battery.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions (:

    I am looking at moving to a OS/Rom that is geared towards pricy and thought the pixel was it! Alas, like you stated the pixels future with a custom OS does not seem clear so I was hoping that the fairphone might be it. I definitely have only done surface level research so far ( I’m poor and don’t want to excited yet haha)

    What band does it lack? That’s definitely something I would not have thought of till you mentioned battery life. Looks like I got more research to do before I purchase anyways.

    Any chance you’ll update this post with a reply on your results for battery life I would be most interested in the effect and if it’s negligible?

    My current phone is about 5 or more generations behind. I’m not a photographer or big picture taker so the drawbacks you noticed wouldn’t even be on my radar haha

    Appreciate the detail in your response and time again thank you!

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It lacks LTE band 13. Reply to some of my comments in a few weeks time and I'll see the notifucation and update with some real world testing. If money is a problem, don't spend it on this. Get a second hand Pixel 7/8/9 when yours dies and use that as they can be found relatively cheap. The a-series are even cheaper but you have to watch for battery issues. The Pixel can still be locked down fairly well with the stock OS by disabling various apps and components, and by throwing anything you don't trust in Private Space.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thanks for all the great info on your post and replies, yeah I’m going to just bite the bullet and do it. Guess it’s time to do real research 🧐

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  • [–] 159 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Do you wear wigs?

    Have you worn wigs?

    Will you wear wigs?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Does the flashlight led have multiple brightness levels?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    that's an android feature. technically I think any phone could do it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If the hardware isnt able to switch the LED at least like 200 times a second, then it cant do proper PWM that doesnt look flickery so no you can definitely have a phone that isnt capable of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Why would they use PWM to drive an LED in a DC circuit when they could just drop the voltage to make it dimmer?

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  • Could be done but voltage regulators just burn a bunch of energy which doesnt seem very smart for a mobile device. Also if you already need a transistor for switching the LED then just picking one that can do so at 200Hz or more is gonna save you an extra part and give you much finer and easier control over dimming.

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  • [–] 127 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    what is the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If you need a phone and can afford it, so far I think so.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Have you tried turning it off and on again?

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Meh. Just a limited launcher. I remapped the button to the flashlight.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Can you map it to anything you want? Like, say, make the button turn on constant phone vibration. Asking for a friend.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    How's the build quality? Does it feel more like a budget or premium phone?

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'd say mid. It feels similar to a Nexus 5 or a BlackBerry Z10. I like it a lot. There are no pointlessly slippery surfaces that make it slide off of any table. Doesn't seem like every nick would show. Ever since my first glass-backed phone went into a case, the enclosure premiumness of every phone has lasted of tens of minutes. It's been all rubber and vinyl afterwards.

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 1 year ago

    Preliminary battery testing results:

    During this first discharge session, I've installed apps, transferred data, posted all my comments here, etc. All on WiFi.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Does the LTPO display work and save battery by dialing down the refresh rate to 1hz when idle for 24/30hz when playing videos?

    Also, do casual games support 120fps like pocket rogues, quest of wizard, etc.

    Last question, is the animation experince good with 3rd party launchers like Niagara, Smart launcher 6, Lawnchair?

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    No idea on the LTPO and refresh rates. Don't play games. I set it to 60Hz, it defaults to 90Hz.

    I use Lawnchair. The animations are okay. The same imperfect animations as on my Pixel.

    E: Actually I think the back animation is a bit more broken for some apps.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    If you enable developer settings by tapping the version number in, about settings 5-7 times you can enable "show refresh rate" and see how it changes in real time.

    I use Lawnchair. The animations are okay. The same imperfect animations as on my Pixel.

    Good to know.

    E: Actually I think the back animation is a bit more broken for some apps.

    I guess some things can be broken more or less. Thanks for the response.

    Consider doing a longterm review in the future when use the phone for longer than a few months.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How's the camera. Compared to say samsung or iphone if you had any of those before.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 year ago

    Pretty decent actually. I'll be doing more comparisons in the days and weeks to come, but for now it's not a huge downgrade from my Pixel 8 Pro. So far some photos have come out better and some worse. There's no comparison to the optical zoom the Pixel can do of course.

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