pffft, how many more petitions, this is like the 11th one already.
Teach these authoritarians a direct physical lesson they won't forget.
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I am so tired of this shit... every year they try to do this shit again. Every year we again have to convince them not too. Then a year later they try again.
They will keep trying until they win. Instead of focusing on important things, they just want to push laws for more control. Even our representatives should KNOW that people don't want this.
I always wonder that. When we mass call and email to let them know they are wrong on something incredibly obvious. Do they go "oh wow we didn't know you didn't want us to know your private conversations or have a list of your favorite porn categories 😲😲😲"? They should already know this.
Fucking hell. When does it stop? It's gotten shot down multiple times, so why do they keep trying? Do they see more of a chance now that we're getting more conservative views in the EP? It's good to see my country opposes it, but man.
It never stops. They keep trying and trying and trying until they get what they want. The only time things like this stop is if whatever wouldn't otherwise stop would inconvenience or take power from people in high places.
See: Brexit, where an advisory referendum was upheld, but we won't ever get another one to reverse it, even though that's a perfectly reasonable thing to want. Too many powerful people would stand to lose out.
It's only assumed the Netherlands opposes it because of the now fallen governments stance on it before. We all know that their campaign promises and 'regeerakkoord' are completly meaningless. So I'm still trying to call and emailing the dutch MEP's
Yeah, I'm not confident either. There are definitely parties in our government that don't actually oppose this (like the VVD)
I was relieved when I learned NL is opposing, but to be fair I was also a bit surprised. Don't think there is a good reason to be in favour of chat control, but kind of expect it from VVD, PVV and BBB anyway. They might even already want to expand it beyond child abuse to also include money launderers, immigrants and climate change protesters.
I'm currently reading 1984 and already seeing references to it a bit everywhere. Same happened when I read hitchiker's guide to the galaxy.
Maybe I should reread hitchikers guide to the galaxy then
Yeah, of course, but it does happend from time to time(especially for hitchiker's guide).
I'm not sure if this is petition is actually helpful. It is 4 years old and hasn't been updated to note the renewed focus on this legislation: https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/the-eu-could-be-scanning-your-chats-by-october-2025-heres-everything-we-know
Instead it might be more helpful to directly contact your representatives.
This website can help you figure out who they are, and help formulate an email send to them:
https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
(Obviously it is best to write your own response, or at least update the text to be your own, but it could be a good springboard)
MEPs get elected with proportional representation on closed lists in a nation-wide single district.
Emailing 60 of them from an array of different parties with no official stance on the issue and no more of a direct relationship with you than with millions of other people is less direct political action and more spam. Pretty sure collective action would have a better chance.
I'm not sure how contacting my representatives in the European Parliament over something that I am concerned about, would be spam.
I don't care what party they are from, or what part of the country they are from. They are still my representatives.
They sit there to represent the concerns of their constituents in parliament, and they cannot effectively do that if they do not know the concerns of their constituents.
If you have good ideas for collective action I'd love to hear them, but until then shooting an email can never hurt.
Edit: Just so there is no confusion, I don't think signing a four year old change.org petition is any more effective than directly contacting your MEPs
Well, the EU has a consultation period on new regulations, but I don't know if that's open for this specifically.
Generally, I would say organizations on each country are often the ones with the infrastructure in place to issue a recommendation on these things. Consumer support orgs, unions, privacy groups and so on. Political parties if your country has one with a definite stance on the issue. If you can get those involved and they can get the press involved now you have an avenue for mainstream awareness, which frankly is more likely to do something than a purely online-driven signature or email campaign.
The rest may differ per country and even per party. It depends on what participation mechanisms you can deploy for each.
To be clear, I'm not against also reaching out to MEPs, but given how in many places they act as a collective blob representing national partisan interests and how electorally they don't have a particular incentive to engage with individual voters I don't know that it'd work best in isolation. I'm not particularly against that, either. "Contact your representative" is a staple of small district, majoritarian, first-past-the-post nonsense and I have no particular desire to move in that direction. I'm way more comfortable with a party-heavy system than with that weirdness.
What really stands out in all this is the following (it'll be long-winded, so feel free to skip to the next one) :
1.- The vast majority of the politicians in those countries are pushing to make this happen, and it seems that in every new try there's more of them supporting this.
2.- Every single one of those politicians were put there by the population.
3.- The population pushes against it (at least it seems to be most of the people being against this). But the corrupt politicians THEY put in power don't give a damn (made abundantly evident in point 1).
4.- The people start calling or emailing the same politicians, or signing "petitions" (which should be "orders" instead, since they are supposed to work for you).
5.- Let's say it doesn't pass again this year. They will try again next year, and then the next if it doesn't pass, until they get away with what they want to.
6.- 1 year passes and you're back on point 1.
My confusion is: Why would any of you think calling them, emailing them or signing stuff in the internet is going to make any difference? As we are all aware of the disgust everyone (not in power) hates this as much as we do, you can bank on the fact that every single one of those criminals in power are aware as well, and yet they keep pushing it.
You will NOT stop this by calls, emails and signatures, it's that simple. Look at Australia, the UK, the US, etc. The governments keep pushing their agenda every single time, effectively telling the population to fuck off.
I have yet to see any country where the will of the people is actually what happens, unless there is a civil war, which will lead to lots of bloodshed and it's a lose - lose situation. They know nobody wants violence, so they believe they have the right to use violence against the people. They use the police and even the military if it comes to that, all with the intent of not losing the power, nothing else.
If the Europeans don't rise against this, they're utterly fucked, because now the ones in power will be able to pinpoint everyone that might spell dissent, and make their lives a living hell. And the worst part is that this is a cancer, first it was China, Russia, North Korea and many other totalitarian countries, now it's spread to the "democratic" countries as well, and then it'll come to our pseudo-democratic 3rd world countries, until the whole world population is under constant surveillance.
How much worse do you think it will be then? So you really think you will get to keep ANY of your freedoms?
I, for one, if this happens in my country (and I'm sure it will at some point) will be in deep shit, because I flat-out refuse to give up my privacy, even if it means losing my life.
What Europe and the UK are living is a dictatorship supported by the peaceful population. Why do you think you have (had?) the right to "peaceful protest"? It's because that way law enforcement has the upper-hand because they get to be "not-so-peaceful", and then you have no way to defend yourself.
I'm not an American, but I certainly understand the need for the population to have the right to bear arms. In a country of almost 400 million people, the military and law enforcement together cannot fight against that (short of nuking a few towns, maybe).
Do I like the idea of having everyone armed to the teeth? Absolutely not, but that is an actual deterrent to bullshit like this. As much as the US surveil their population, they have a way better chance to hold their powerful people accountable for extreme shit like this.
Wao, that actually felt good.
And it is on change.org, just some portal that no one has to take seriously
EU actually has a website to make real petitions, 8 think it was https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/_en
Though I think the proper action would be to contact your local politicians.
Citizen's Initiatives are great, but I'm not sure they are the right mechanism in this case.
They are meant to make parliament address a concern, and not to inform legislators how you feel about a law proposal that is already on the table. All a Citizen's Initiative does is force the European parliament to address a concern if a certain threshold of signatures is met. They will be doing that anyway when the law proposal is being voted on.
And on top of that, the time frame for a Citizen's Initiative is too long (over a year) to be a meaningful shield against Chat Control.
Contacting your representatives to the European Parliament is probably the best way forward at this point.
Perhaps an initiative should be started that introduces a law banning such laws?
Also I still think contacting your politicians directly (and telling friends and family to do the same) will have better result than change.org petition, but there's nothing stopping people to do both.
It might be worth making a bid for legislation that requires that the public give up privacy to the government, those in government must make the same information public.
If they can read my messages, I should be able to read theirs.
I'm fully onboard, we have to fight this for everyone's sake.
Not completely related, but is this 100-mil-in-profits the best option to gather signatures?
Via wiki/Change.org):
Change.org is a website which allows users to create and sign petitions in an attempt to advance various social causes by raising awareness and influencing decision-makers. The site is a US-based for-profit company and claims to have 557 million users as of August 2025.
Isn't there a EU site to petition?
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/petitions/
The linked petition says:
The European Parliament MPs must vote AGAINST Chat Control legislation during EPlenary vote in June-August 2021.
It's not even up to date. And it only has 1.8k signatures.
Is there more actual petition?
Not a petition exactly but I found https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
There might be others, I didn't look that long and I'm not in the EU so idk
The European Union has begun to cross the border. I think they were inspired by United States and Signal and etc.
Here's a tool to quickly email you're representatives about chatcontrol. It's really easy to use and is generally great! https://fightchatcontrol.eu/#contact-tool
But it's for EU citizens only right ?
EU is a regulation superpower.
And in most cases it's really good, thought out, constantly moving with the market & reports/reviews on it's efficiency.
It gets fucky when personal interests (like "politicians keeping down crime & protecting the kids", or lobbyists doing the same) get mixed in tho.
This is such political popularity case.
Dictating all social services leave back doors for meta to monitor… wow, this one may beat the Americans in the race for criminal stupidity
No democracy is safe right now.
Democracies are overrated, but yes
Do you mean representative democracies? Or all democracies? If all then why, and what do you believe would be better?
Democracy was first formed by powerful people in city states so they could rule jointly.
It really has not evolved much beyond that. Except in very small countries, today it merely means oligarchy.
While it is often better than despotic, autocratic or monarchy. At the end of the day, the ultimate tests are: how the working classes fare; the happiness index of the majority; how much corruption is in the government; how fair the justice system is; life expectancy; and access to medicine and treatments.
Thank you for explaining, and I agree.
For general reference, here are some books I've enjoyed that touch upon improving democracy:
- Getting Free: Creating An Association Of Democratic Autonomous Neighborhoods (James Herod)
- Turning To One Another: Simple Conversations To Restore Hope To The Future (Margaret J. Wheatley)
- The Great Turning: From Empire To Earth Community (David C. Korten)
- Beyond Outrage: What Has Gone Wrong With Our Economy And Our Democracy, And How To Fix It (Robert B. Reich)
Who do you think is lobying for this? We dont have companies in the EU that would benefit from it.
Contact your MEP. Online petitions do nothing.
Does anyone know if my MEP is from my home country or where I currently live ? (Both in the eu)
They've failed two times before. Let's make them fail again.
They should stop trying
They won't. Its the thing politicians crave most in this world. Power. The populous pushing back just makes them want it more.
I'm not from the EU, but the thing is, once governments get a taste of the power over it's citizens that these policies allow, they don't relinquish it.
Pre 9/11, the US was already egregiously encroaching on the privacy of it's citizens, see Snowden's book, blog, et al. Post 9/11 America was reeling from the audacity of some faction with the nerve to attack us on our soil. I mean, we're usually the ones to do that, funding both sides of an altercation to serve our on interests. $800 billion dollar pentagon budget just to bomb brown people. Call it what it is. Anyways, the people cried out to their government 'Please save us from those evil terrorists.' Our government said 'Sure.....it's going to cost you tho.' 'What's it going to cost us. Taxes are already sky high.' 'Well, it's going to cost you your privacy.' 'SHit, I'm not doing anything wrong...what do I have to hide.' <record scratch - narrator> 'Everything you dumbass.'
This word 'hide' has been embedded into people's minds and is a testament to the power of propaganda, of which, the American propaganda machine has no equals. When you talk about privacy, security, and anonymity, I can almost guarantee you, the person you are talking to replaces 'private' with 'hide' in their mind. This notion is what governments prey on.
BuT wHy donT eUroPEAns deW MoRE? I do not want to hear a single thing else about how Americans are cowards. Europeans are letting these goddamn parasites fuck everyone too.
A "political blackmail" – the EU Parliament is pressing for an agreement on the chat scanning bill
Not a citizen nor resident of the member states of EU but in Europe and my country is intimately connected, seems our neighbours are about to support this bill as well, which is very disappointing.
Is signing the partition helpful if I'm not an eu citizen?
This petition is full of inaccurate claims.
The end-to-end encryption will be abolished and the EU is proposing using pre-installed backdoors to electronic devices, giving the authorities access to all data. Confidential medical files, legal documents, contracts and other agreements, including private letters.
You get downvoted by people who do not read but you are correct.
The latest proposal is to use some sort of AI on your device to check for CSAM, and not more than that. It eliminates the need to decrypt the chat.
Still unwanted and uncalled for. Because criminals will simply move somewhere else. And so will I if this proposal gets accepted.
That's what you get when you have politicians voting on a scary sounding proposal while there's no concrete plan on how it will be implemented.
Do people really believe this isn't happening now? Wake up yall. What is the axiom.. you.. the models need you. None of it is even encrypted.. what did you expect?

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