Dang. I really thought the Ioniq had something going for it. Sad to see it’s just another on the list of enshittified cars.
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They gonna start charging for their exploding engines now too?
I'd be taking it back for a full refund. Fuck that shit.
They would laugh at you. Once you drive off that lot it’s your problem.
Think of the money you can extort from your customers with a steady diet of software bugs. It worked for microsoft.
Think of all the money you can extort from your customers if you just murder them and steal everything they own!
It worked for the Mafia.
Some day, car companies are going to have to come to terms with the fact that they are software companies with a manufacturing department.
The rest of the software industry learned this the hard way. If you only let paying customers have access to security patches, the effects will spill over to your paying customers and everyone else. It's why Microsoft let's you have "Activate Windows" sit on your screen for years and still gives you updates.
Dang, I really like Hyundai. My past two vehicles have been great. I really liked the Ioniq 5. If they're going to pull this shit, that's a big no from me on the next vehicle.
I was genuinely looking into getting a Hyundai Kona EV, however, when you look into it, Hyundai at the current moment in time has no way of properly maintaining or diagnosing the battery, if you take one in for service and they notice a dent in your skid plate, the entire battery needs to be replaced according to Hyundai and that's the price of a new vehicle. I ended up going with a Mustang Mach-e.
The Mustang Mach E seems like the way to go for an affordable EV. Especially considering they're used as fleet vehicles so you know there will be plenty of parts and knowledge on how to work on them out there. I just wish they could tow. I have a very small/light boat. It would be fine towing back and forth to the ramp.
The fleet vehicle part is a big point! Ford claims the Mach-e has a towing capacity of 3,306 lbs and have recommended I take mine to Uhaul for a hitch install.
ah, the subscription model for basic security. lovely. soon we'll be paying a monthly fee just to make sure the doors still lock. guess car companies really are just software companies now, and not the good kind.
Keep in mind that the car-stealing device reportedly costs around $20,000, so the likelihood of it being in the ownership of a thief isn't extremely high.
What is this magic device that costs so much?
https://unlockcarsgrabber.com/product/codegrabber-p31-keyless-go-nintendo-tetris-gameboy/
It might actually be one of the other models for specifically the Ionic 5, but the prices are in that neighborhood
just a reminder that if it’s really obviously stupid then there’s probably more to the story
The Verge now reports that Hyundai is offering a security patch
so this is a story of a story of an offer on the hyundai website to upgrade the cars security
and ive stopped caring this is such sloppy garbage i expect from american technology websites
It’s worse than that. If you read the Verge article they’re reporting on an article from another publication. It’s a story of a story of a story.
I'm going to be in the market for an electric car in the next year or two... I was considering an Ioniq as an option but now I'm not so sure. I'm having trouble finding any EV that doesn't have a massive monitor in place of buttons, doesn't have some kind of subscription, and isn't a privacy nightmare. Not sure what I'll do when the time comes to actually buy...
The one I got has capactive buttons for a lot of things and physical buttons for temperature control/flow as well as volume. It still has 5 subscriptions, which you can opt out of and "disable" the connected services entirely, that said I am unsure if it truly disables it.
I instead opted for the mobile app remote start subscription and using home assistant to control it with the API to prevent having to use their awful app which also requires full precise location access to run.
Fun thing is I was considering Ioniq 5 and VW ID4 at the time and this article + the recent VW charging for throttle made me a lot happier with my purchase choice. Subaru still has an awful privacy policy but at least its slightly better than most.
There are usually a few fuses you can pull that disable a lot of the connected services.
Yeah I considered it. That said I use the home assistant integration to make my car charge at slowest speed needed to timely charge it overnight for better bsttery health and I have it schedule remote start at 4:55 only when I am at work and the temperature is extremely hot or cold. Those smarter things has made me a little happier with the loss of privacy.
I guess I just got lucky, the added features didn't run off the same fuse as the telemetry part. Which is kinda strange.
I don't know, but it seems like all manufacturers are using EVs as an opportunity to experiment with user hostile software. Not sure if there's an 'analog' electric car you can get.
Yeah it sucks, I hate everything have a sim car and internet. I hate the disclaimer agreement that starts when I drive.
My EV knows there is an update but wants me to deliver vua usb and will not stop telling me about it. They also notify you mid drive that the T&Cs are updated, but you cnt agree while driving and csnt manually find the prompt again.
What about the Chinese brands? BYD and such.
Haven't seen them up close, but from what I gather they're trying to out-Tesla Tesla by building AI into everything (and doing it better, but I'm not a fan of this crap, whether it's from an American company, a European company, a Korean company or a Chinese company).
Well I know LLMs are currently hated, but a quick Google seems to indicate most of their AI integration has to do with driver systems and such, which I don't believe has the same ethical issues for most people? (If you just dislike using it, I'm sure they're optional / can be disabled). Reason I ask is because I'm currently checking out what car to buy.
Chevy Bolt is may be less sexy, but super reliable. Mine has close to 50k on it, and zero issues after the battery swap 5 or 6 years ago. Still get ~300 miles in good weather.
+1 for the Chevy Bolt. I've got the 2023 EUV, absolutely love it.
However, I've heard that the newer lines are dropping Apple CarPlay & Android Auto support. Which would be a hard no from me.
The used market for EVs is kinda crazy cheap right now though. To OP: I'd highly suggest looking for a used 2023 Chevy Bolt when you're ready.
I never once thought I would ever hear Chevy and reliable in the same sentence. Having unfortunately owned a few Chevy ICE's myself.
Yup, 2020 bolt owner here. Bought it used after the recalls for cheapish. It's ugly, but nice to drive and pretty dang practical. Plus it has actual buttons and knobs for AC and volume! Just wish it charged faster for the occasional road trip.
Ioniq 5 has also apparently been having issues with their ICCU (integrated charging control unit) that leaves the car immobilized until it's replaced. Replacement parts for the ICCU are sometimes months out.
…tad off topic, but what are some of the EVs on the less enshittified end of the spectrum?
my neighbor got a honda prologue in october and likes it. apparently it's a chevy platform but it's honda tweaks. good sound system and acceleration.
Dang. I was interested in the Hyundai Casper were it to ever reach the USA...
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