▲ 104 ▼ Hyundai wants Ioniq 5 customers to pay for cybersecurity patch in baffling move (www.neowin.net) submitted 1 year ago by copacetic@discuss.tchncs.de to c/automotive@discuss.tchncs.de 22 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] jonne@infosec.pub 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) I don't know, but it seems like all manufacturers are using EVs as an opportunity to experiment with user hostile software. Not sure if there's an 'analog' electric car you can get. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Yeah it sucks, I hate everything have a sim car and internet. I hate the disclaimer agreement that starts when I drive. My EV knows there is an update but wants me to deliver vua usb and will not stop telling me about it. They also notify you mid drive that the T&Cs are updated, but you cnt agree while driving and csnt manually find the prompt again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) What about the Chinese brands? BYD and such. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jonne@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Haven't seen them up close, but from what I gather they're trying to out-Tesla Tesla by building AI into everything (and doing it better, but I'm not a fan of this crap, whether it's from an American company, a European company, a Korean company or a Chinese company). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Well I know LLMs are currently hated, but a quick Google seems to indicate most of their AI integration has to do with driver systems and such, which I don't believe has the same ethical issues for most people? (If you just dislike using it, I'm sure they're optional / can be disabled). Reason I ask is because I'm currently checking out what car to buy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (3 children) Chevy Bolt is may be less sexy, but super reliable. Mine has close to 50k on it, and zero issues after the battery swap 5 or 6 years ago. Still get ~300 miles in good weather. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago +1 for the Chevy Bolt. I've got the 2023 EUV, absolutely love it. However, I've heard that the newer lines are dropping Apple CarPlay & Android Auto support. Which would be a hard no from me. The used market for EVs is kinda crazy cheap right now though. To OP: I'd highly suggest looking for a used 2023 Chevy Bolt when you're ready. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Patches@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) I never once thought I would ever hear Chevy and reliable in the same sentence. Having unfortunately owned a few Chevy ICE's myself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Duallight@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago Yup, 2020 bolt owner here. Bought it used after the recalls for cheapish. It's ugly, but nice to drive and pretty dang practical. Plus it has actual buttons and knobs for AC and volume! Just wish it charged faster for the occasional road trip. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CoopaLoopa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago Ioniq 5 has also apparently been having issues with their ICCU (integrated charging control unit) that leaves the car immobilized until it's replaced. Replacement parts for the ICCU are sometimes months out. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago …tad off topic, but what are some of the EVs on the less enshittified end of the spectrum? my neighbor got a honda prologue in october and likes it. apparently it's a chevy platform but it's honda tweaks. good sound system and acceleration. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jonne@infosec.pub 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) I don't know, but it seems like all manufacturers are using EVs as an opportunity to experiment with user hostile software. Not sure if there's an 'analog' electric car you can get. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Yeah it sucks, I hate everything have a sim car and internet. I hate the disclaimer agreement that starts when I drive. My EV knows there is an update but wants me to deliver vua usb and will not stop telling me about it. They also notify you mid drive that the T&Cs are updated, but you cnt agree while driving and csnt manually find the prompt again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) What about the Chinese brands? BYD and such. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jonne@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Haven't seen them up close, but from what I gather they're trying to out-Tesla Tesla by building AI into everything (and doing it better, but I'm not a fan of this crap, whether it's from an American company, a European company, a Korean company or a Chinese company). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Well I know LLMs are currently hated, but a quick Google seems to indicate most of their AI integration has to do with driver systems and such, which I don't believe has the same ethical issues for most people? (If you just dislike using it, I'm sure they're optional / can be disabled). Reason I ask is because I'm currently checking out what car to buy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Yeah it sucks, I hate everything have a sim car and internet. I hate the disclaimer agreement that starts when I drive. My EV knows there is an update but wants me to deliver vua usb and will not stop telling me about it. They also notify you mid drive that the T&Cs are updated, but you cnt agree while driving and csnt manually find the prompt again. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) What about the Chinese brands? BYD and such. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jonne@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Haven't seen them up close, but from what I gather they're trying to out-Tesla Tesla by building AI into everything (and doing it better, but I'm not a fan of this crap, whether it's from an American company, a European company, a Korean company or a Chinese company). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Well I know LLMs are currently hated, but a quick Google seems to indicate most of their AI integration has to do with driver systems and such, which I don't believe has the same ethical issues for most people? (If you just dislike using it, I'm sure they're optional / can be disabled). Reason I ask is because I'm currently checking out what car to buy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jonne@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Haven't seen them up close, but from what I gather they're trying to out-Tesla Tesla by building AI into everything (and doing it better, but I'm not a fan of this crap, whether it's from an American company, a European company, a Korean company or a Chinese company). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Well I know LLMs are currently hated, but a quick Google seems to indicate most of their AI integration has to do with driver systems and such, which I don't believe has the same ethical issues for most people? (If you just dislike using it, I'm sure they're optional / can be disabled). Reason I ask is because I'm currently checking out what car to buy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Well I know LLMs are currently hated, but a quick Google seems to indicate most of their AI integration has to do with driver systems and such, which I don't believe has the same ethical issues for most people? (If you just dislike using it, I'm sure they're optional / can be disabled). Reason I ask is because I'm currently checking out what car to buy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (3 children) Chevy Bolt is may be less sexy, but super reliable. Mine has close to 50k on it, and zero issues after the battery swap 5 or 6 years ago. Still get ~300 miles in good weather. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago +1 for the Chevy Bolt. I've got the 2023 EUV, absolutely love it. However, I've heard that the newer lines are dropping Apple CarPlay & Android Auto support. Which would be a hard no from me. The used market for EVs is kinda crazy cheap right now though. To OP: I'd highly suggest looking for a used 2023 Chevy Bolt when you're ready. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Patches@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) I never once thought I would ever hear Chevy and reliable in the same sentence. Having unfortunately owned a few Chevy ICE's myself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Duallight@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago Yup, 2020 bolt owner here. Bought it used after the recalls for cheapish. It's ugly, but nice to drive and pretty dang practical. Plus it has actual buttons and knobs for AC and volume! Just wish it charged faster for the occasional road trip. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago +1 for the Chevy Bolt. I've got the 2023 EUV, absolutely love it. However, I've heard that the newer lines are dropping Apple CarPlay & Android Auto support. Which would be a hard no from me. The used market for EVs is kinda crazy cheap right now though. To OP: I'd highly suggest looking for a used 2023 Chevy Bolt when you're ready. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Patches@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) I never once thought I would ever hear Chevy and reliable in the same sentence. Having unfortunately owned a few Chevy ICE's myself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Duallight@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago Yup, 2020 bolt owner here. Bought it used after the recalls for cheapish. It's ugly, but nice to drive and pretty dang practical. Plus it has actual buttons and knobs for AC and volume! Just wish it charged faster for the occasional road trip. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CoopaLoopa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago Ioniq 5 has also apparently been having issues with their ICCU (integrated charging control unit) that leaves the car immobilized until it's replaced. Replacement parts for the ICCU are sometimes months out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago …tad off topic, but what are some of the EVs on the less enshittified end of the spectrum? my neighbor got a honda prologue in october and likes it. apparently it's a chevy platform but it's honda tweaks. good sound system and acceleration. permalink fedilink source parent