What happens instead is that the established parties decide they can win the voters back if they adopt far-right policies. We get extra-shitty governance and they still lose voters. It's a lose-lose situation but they're committed.

If that were true then wouldn't leftists be winning in the polls? Why would Late Stage suffering cause a shift to the right? Makes no sense.

You anti-liberal crowd seem like precisely the reason this kind of thing is happening. You're like a pipeline for people to go from socialists to Trump supporters and anarchists.

More like idiots

Tyrants are also usually to blame for the asylum seekers in small boats. The irony knifes me. They're often seeking asylum because they're fleeing a tyrant, and the response of the countries they try to find safe harbor in is to turn themselves into the very type of tyranny they were fleeing.

No, they promise the world and then shit in your mouth. These people are being duped.

idk, this doesn't mean they are more subtle to propaganda. There is currently no scientific evidence, that this would indicate that people are not able to self reflect or other things. Not having an inner monologue means that these people are using different techniques to accomplish these tasks. The reality is more complex than that.

IF there will be a free enough country to make this documentary

Your comment presupposes that there will be some kind of back to normal in 50 years, which is unfortunately not going to be the case. Climate change accelerates, economic and political crisisl follows, and these kinds of populist movements are going to thrive in that kind of environment.

Climate change will not have stopped in 50 years, on the contrary.

But they do, even if Russia can flood the information space and all that. I have no doubts there.

Still, a lot of stupid people need to believe this crap.

I go about my day not believing that crap but others are seemingly open to this.

This could help give some explanation of the election of Trump/MAGA, but 8 months into that election everyone outside can see that they just made all the problems worse. And when this rise was noted last year, I wouldn't have asked that question because the people don't have something to give an an honest response of what would really happen if such groups were elected to power (which these exact same problems happened the last time Trump was elected, but it's happened now twice in a row with a safety bumper between these elections which would help dismiss any claim of it was a fluke/bad timing). Which comes back to my question, how can you look at Trump/MAGA and say "I want THAT for my country?"

We aren't dealing with hypotheticals anymore, we are already seeing cause and effects.

They do, the majority of voters are fucking illiterate idiots. It's not always an evil plot by big business, reality is usually far more depressing

Who got all the new wealth from increased productivity post 1980? The gays and minorities?

Same thing is happening in Australia. It's controlled opposition. The real leftists have been progressively out-capitaled from the center-left parties. Now their majority are corporate whore "centrist" neoliberals that continue to screw the workers, just slower than the center-right party, which is now a borderline fascist party.

I'm still waiting for people to realise that we live in corporate dictatorships with the illusion of democracy; you can vote for whoever you want, but the oligarch-financed candidates are statistically guaranteed to win a majority 90+% of the time, coz capitalism. The major difference is how much lube they apply before they fuck you.

Labour has been a joke of a party for the past 3 decades. The only reason they are in power right now is that the Tories actually managed to completely destroy the UK. Labour and the Tories are going to go the way of the Whigs the nezt election and will be replaced by Reform UK and Corbyn's new leftist party.

Well, maybe both of you are right, actually. We all suck so much and have been putting off a lot of responsibility for such a long time, and now it's coming back to roost. Kinda nuts to think about, that it works that way.

We have and can be better. There is no excuse.

I thought Nazism, Hitler and WWII was the cautionary tale?

It was. We fucked up. Badly. Now we're another cautionary tale.

Right after WW2 pretty much every European country that still had colonial holdings in the Americas, Africa, and Asia went straight back to ruling them with a iron fist. Wars swept across the world outside of Europe and the Anglosphere. Wars of independence.

To that point I don't think there were truly any safeguards put in place for minorities. Really it was just ban Nazi imagery and formation of European trade zones that would progressively include more governance cooperation eventually forming the EU.

The safeguards in place were done to prevent EU member states from waring with each other, not safeguards for minorities or anyone outside of EU member states. Solution for Jewish people wasn't to make the EU safer for Jewish people, it was to take land elsewhere and make Israel. Anyone outside of EU member states including colonial holdings were fair game for mass destruction. A lot is made about the civil rights era in the US, European countries had there own versions of that too. The lesson of WW2 was that war sucks, wars should be fought on other continents, move the Jews to Israel. Modern civil rights in European countries had to be fought for as well post-WW2 but I think it was easier there because the minority groups were much smaller in number compared to the US so there was less racist blowback against social safety nets that non-whites could benefit from. Minorities were politically irrelevant until the past couple decades once the children grew up and population sizes grew and they started making it into significant political offices and corporate leadership positions. Now racists started feeling insecure a lot more regularly against the growing number of successful and visible minorities. People that were certain they weren't racist are finding themselves racist as minority populations are now in their surroundings rather than just a passing mention

The scary part starts when you think about how much lurkers are using this MSN start page and just watch these 3 comments there. I think of all these boomers.

I checked it out. Ahh these people are lost souls.

What disgusts (but doesn't surpise) me is that the media have almost completely ignored the fact that each Europen fascist party is exactly following the Moscow line, with the possible exception of the Italians, who claim to support Ukraine. Those parties are fronts operated by a hostile power, and should not only be shut down, but their leaders sent to prison for treason.

Instead: crickets.

Plus hurting brown people

We are living in the Age of the Grifter.