Voters approved sick leave mandate by 58%, but lawmakers are caving to lobbying by the state’s chamber of commerce

Being sick is a costly business for Bill Thompson, who worked in the fast-food industry in Independence, Missouri, for more than 30 years, and recently worked at Guitar Center until early July, when he was laid off as.

“As an older worker, I have health issues from working on my feet and with my hands for many years with no breaks for eight to 10 hours a day. I have done it for 38 years now, living paycheck to paycheck,” 54-year-old Thompson said, noting in Missouri, workers are not mandated breaks of any kind during work.

So when Republicans in Missouri repealed a paid sick leave mandate that the state’s voters approved by 58% after an aggressive lobbying campaign by the Missouri chamber of commerce and industry and other business industry groups, he said, “It was a literal gut punch.”

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[–] 151 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Even on a day where Missourians sort of overwhelmingly voted for Donald Trump, Josh Hawley and Governor Kehoe, they also overwhelmingly voted for an increase in paid sick days.

So they elected candidates who historically have opposed labor protections and government benefits, and then expected to get paid sick leave?

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Fox news tells them the GOP are pro-worker and the Democrats actually hate America and workers.

    It's infuriating :/

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There's a lot of lead pipes here still. And massive swaths of empty land that votes against anyone that might try to maintain or replace them via the necessary step of raising taxes.

    Kansas city and St Louis didn't vote for Republicans. Unfortunately both blue patches aren't quite half the States population. But were close enough that there governor is looking to take away our representation.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm a school bus driver and our shop is union (Teamsters). My coworkers rabidly support our union, but are opposed to all other unions (except police unions of course) including even the teachers' union in our district. They're also mostly MAGA. They're just so fucking clueless about their own self-interest, leaving aside their utter selfishness. Our dispatcher is a lesbian who proudly talks about her wife, and she's the most rabid trumper of them all. I had one painful conversation with her where she insisted that it's the GOP that brought about same-sex marriage.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    KC here... I'm frankly fucking AMAZED we're still not a "Right to Work" state... for how quickly everything else has been overturned blatantly I'm amazed Gov Heehaw didn't find a way to gut it on the way out.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    So they elected candidates who historically have opposed labor protections and government benefits

    In the USA, all candidates oppose labor protections and government benefits; it's not as if the Democrats provide relief.

    (min. wage 7.25, no sick leave, no maternity leave, no vacation, fire at will, no union protections, unions down to 10% (from 40% in 70s))

    Both parties are not the same, but they are both pro-corporate and anti-labor

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Minimum wage

    Democrats have consistently advocated for its increase. Including a proposal to raise it to $15/hour in the 2024 platform.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/10/07/can-harris-stop-blue-collar-workers-from-defecting-to-donald-trump?

    Paid medical/family leave

    This seems to be mostly determined by states. Several have mandated times. Plus, the Democrats push FAMILY act, which would federally require 12 paid weeks.

    The Pregnant Workers Fairness Act was passed in 2022 - requiring better accommodations for pregnant women.

    Unions

    Democrats push the Protecting the Right to Organize Act - aims to expand collective bargaining rights and strengthen penalties for labor violations.

    Executive actions under Biden:
    Repealed Trump-era EOs that weakened collective bargaining

        Raised the pay floor for federal workers to $15/hour
    
        Appointed pro-union guy to the labor relations board
    

    Pay equity

    Passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009 and the Paycheck Fairness Act - both attempting more equality in pay.

    Trying to equate the Republicans and Democrats on these issues is absolutely asinine, completely indefensible and based on sheer ignorance. People like you, too lazy to do the slightest research and subsisting on lazy assumptions and memes, are why a convicted pedophile is currently the president.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Democrats have consistently advocated for its increase. Including a proposal to raise it to $15/hour in the 2024 platform.

    Yes, they advocate for many things that they will not do. Biden had a majority for two years, proposed it, a few Democrats voted against, and that's that. Did they try to at least raise it a little, say to nine an hour? No, why bother? It's always a few Democrats; Super PACs don't have to pay everybody. Just enough.

    This seems to be mostly determined by states. Several have mandated times. Plus, the Democrats push FAMILY act, which would federally require 12 paid weeks. The Pregnant Workers Fairness Act was passed in 2022 - requiring better accommodations for pregnant women.

    That's neat, but did you know that we are surpassed by the entire first world with worker benefits, and now even eastern Europe? That's pro-labor? No. No, it is not. If Poland increases their minimum wage another dollar, they will surpass the USAs "labor party" in results in every way.

    Democrats push the Protecting the Right to Organize Act - aims to expand collective bargaining rights and strengthen penalties for labor violations. Executive actions under Biden: Repealed Trump-era EOs that weakened collective bargaining

    Union membership has fallen down to 10%, from 40% in the 1970s. Union membership does not rise under D administrations, that's a fact.

    Trying to equate the Republicans and Democrats on these issues is absolutely asinine

    They are both pro-business and anti-labor, and anyone who disagrees (specifically you) should be under supervised care and hidden from the public. Japan, Australia, Canada, South Korea, United Kingdom, Western and Eastern Europe all prove that you are wrong. They have real labor parties, not the shallow mockery of one we have in the USA.

    completely indefensible and based on sheer ignorance.

    Only a dimwitted ignoramus would think that the Democrats are "pro-labor" when compared to the rest of civilization as we know it. You bring shame to yourself and your family

    People like you, too lazy to do the slightest research and subsisting on lazy assumptions and memes, are why a convicted pedophile is currently the president.

    People like you will always lick the boot, because you're fine with union membership and pay dropping every year, immune to the suffering of labor all around you in spite of mountains of evidence to the contrary, and eager to believe that things are different than they really are. They should take away your driver's license.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The Democratic party is, but at the local and state levels, there absolutely are progressive, pro-labor Democrats. Whereas all Republicans right now are fascists (the few non-fascists left or were forced out).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, local and state is filled with decent progressive Democrats, also socialists, libertarians, green party, and more.

    Federal? One pro-labor Democrat has been allowed to take office, yay.... and she agrees with me (that Democrats have abandoned labor).

    Leadership "allows" them to exist, after all you can't just load them all into work camps. Yet.

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I was talking with my brother about how republican state congresses tend to overturn voter initiatives. I don't understand this cuck attitude that keeps so many people voting for them.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    They’ve spent decades demonizing the left so thoroughly that any idea that they dislike and can associate with the left hey do so ad nauseam.

    So any idea that would help those on the right just has to be called liberal and they’ll vote against it even if it hurts them too. It’s literally an unthinking knee-jerk hatred and reaction at this point. No thinking required.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Still. They vote for something and then their reps reverse it. I mean you would think something would seep through there.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're still assuming these people arent all literal cult members. We are in nazi germany fam, those people wouldn't vote for democrats even if they were thrown into the concentration camps. There's no amount of abuse they wont accept for the privilege of being a fascist.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Unfortunately I agree here. I, like many I think, have wondered how nazi germany came to be and I really did not mean the musing to be fulfilled as some sort of wish to experience it personally but here we are.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    There’s no amount of abuse they wont accept for the privilege of being a fascist.

    Spot on. Seeing some of the people who previously relished in Trump's evil, eventually have their lives ruined by it, will be one of the few truly enjoyable things for me in the coming years.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because the Democrats aren't running on those platforms, because they are also opposed to thise initiatives. The Democrats COULD run on a platform of guaranteed sick leave, mandatory holiday pay, rent control, and other wildly popular pro-worker policies, but they don't ecause they want to "appeal to moderates" or some other dumb bullshit. So you end up with a useless Democratic party in states like Ohio, Missouri, and Wisconsin who refuse to help people because they don't want Republicans to call them socialists. Then come election time they get caleld socialists anyway who support " illegals stealing jobs and giving abortions" or whatever and and shocked Pikachu when they keep losing elections. Until Democrats start openly campaigning on things that immediately benefit workers, they will continue to lose ground to the Republicans.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    thats all fine but when the folks you vote for are reversing he specific thing you voted for. I mean its not hard to realize you need to not be putting these people in power. At the very least they could just not vote actively for the ones doing this. I don't see how the dems not good enough plays in. If Im dying of thirst and I have a choice of drinking from a sewage pipe or a stream. Im going to risk the stream.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I've never understood this. Even from the viewpoint of an extremely selfish person; do you want someone with COVID, the flu, or a cold making your food, or even just interacting with you in a retail environment? And as for employers; how shortsighted are you that you don't realize that while one sick person coming in may be better for productivity than them staying home, that quickly becomes five sick people working much less efficiently instead of four healthy ones and one person out sick?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Let's all say it again... "Cruelty is the point"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I used to work for someone who prided herself on never missing work. My first day back after catching bronchitis from her, she called me into her office to berate me for taking time off when she was there working with a 104 degree fever all week.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The thing that is crazy to me about all of this even when midterms come up people will still go out and support the GOP. There is no bottom floor to hit for them.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Oh dumbass Missourians.

    Just like in 2018 when they voted against right to work and on the same ballot voted in a Republican majority and the Republican majority tried to implement right to work as the first item on the new session.

    Never learn Missourians, never learn.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is what happened in Ontario. Our premier took away mandatory paid sick days right away and guess what happened next? ...Ontario voted for him again 4 years later with a majority. And then they did it again earlier this year.

    Never underestimate how stupid the voter base is.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    It's because they do these things strategically. They passed these corporate centric laws that hurt voters in the years when there's no election. Then they spend the rest of the time pumping social issues that their conservative minded voters care about like abortion and immigration totally overshadowing the thing they did to screw over the voters. And the, now conservative controlled, media helps them to cover it all up.

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  • [+] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wonder how many hourly workers voted for Trump.

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    This administration is definitely trying to kill off the poor

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago

    It wont stop them from voting republican.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    When you vote for GOPers, this is what happens

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Missourian businesses basically want workhouses... say goodbye to modern ideas of a weekend.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The irony is that in the passing of sick leave and the repeal of it Missourians still got what they voted for. No sympathy.

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  • [–] 115 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    "Have the day you voted for", leopards etc.

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  • [–] 89 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    In this instance, they voted for paid sick leave. Yeah, these people should have the day they voted for.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    So when Republicans in Missouri repealed a paid sick leave mandate that the state’s voters approved by 58% after an aggressive lobbying campaign by the Missouri chamber of commerce and industry and other business industry groups

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    But the republicans are in power and have campaigned for years on a clear platform to support capitalists and not the working class.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I understood 2 of those phrases but the rest sounds like commie bullshit.

    • Republican voters
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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    “Even on a day where Missourians sort of overwhelmingly voted for Donald Trump, Josh Hawley and Governor Kehoe, they also overwhelmingly voted for an increase in paid sick days,” von Glahn said. “Any notion that there’s really a Republican party, that is a party of workers, Missouri shows just how much of a stranglehold corporate interests still have on the Republican establishment. I think that’s a cautionary tale for working-class people.”

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  • [+] -46 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Opinion poll numbers aren't the same as election votes

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It wasn’t an opinion poll, it was a ballot initiative that voters voted on in an election. Then their representatives that they also voted for turned around and repealed it.

    https://labor.mo.gov/dls/proposition-a-paid-sick-time-benefits-faqs

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  • Happened in Nebraska too. Voters passed legal weed but the GOP isn't going to follow through and is actually trying to outlaw the farm bill shit in the process.

    There's no reason for them to actually legislate or govern since they'll still get voted in, all they need is the R and they're set. World's easiest job.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In this dude's defense, no where does it mention him being a Republican or supporting Republican politicians. It does say:

    Thompson helped gather signatures for the paid-sick-leave and minimum-wage-increase ballot initiative

    So I don't think this is a leopards eating face scenario.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I don't think it necessarily needs the victim to have voted for them - it's more about the majority supporting the referendum and also the incompatible representatives. The LEPF party were elected and are doing what they do.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    If something is voted in, how can 'lawmakers' just choose to ignore it ?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It depends on the state. Many states have no means of direct voter legislation. Some do, but the result is a new law, which can be repealed by the legislature as easily as anything else. Some states treat citizen ballot initiatives as more powerful than basic laws (eg, as an amendment to the state constitution) which are generally way harder for politicians to roll back.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Missouri is one of those states that does have direct voter legislation. Able to even get things put in to the state constitution.

    Trouble is our chucklefuck idiots will vote for very progressive things in state, but then go full stupid and keep voting for the R next to the name despite overturning our voting for direct legislation for the past decade.

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  • [+] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    On an article about Republicans it never fails someone both sides the bullshit and brings in Democrats

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    Gonna be contentious with this one. Missouri wasn't technically the South. Iowa and Kansas certainly weren't either. Yet the bible belt all the way to Canada is full of states that drink the red kool-aid of the Republicans...

    I'm not gonna argue "Fuck the South" but the attitude to that is that the South has infected the rest of the country.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    You voted for this, no take backs!

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is why progressives win when they’re not being undermined by corporate Democrats. Average people, including Republican voters, support this stuff by large majorities most of the time, even in the face of right wing propaganda.

    I don’t think they deserve this because they vote Republican. I think they deserve paid sick leave and a higher wage. We should look inward and ask how we’re failing them if they’re voting traitor lunatic.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's because we let the Democrats get away with being awful. Their goal is to be barely less evil than Republicans. If they had to actually fight for votes, we'd start to see results.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don’t really follow this reasoning. How would they earn votes? What would be different than now?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The Democrats generally don't try to earn votes. They generally only try to appeal to their rich donors. If people stopped voting Blue No Matter Who, and started voting for other parties, then the Democratic Party would either die off, or would have to start fighting to earn votes.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Sorry, but get fukt red Missourians. I hope they feel as much pain and anguish as possible, because it's the only way they learn, if it personally negatively affects them. And even then they sometimes still don't learn (see: COVID). I feel terrible for the democrat voters that get screwed anyway.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Missouri has voted on numerous laws that have been repealed by state legislators. We voted an anti-gerrymandering law in but it was repealed a year later. We voted for abortion and they tried to take that back, we voted for better pay and sick leave, and they are taking that.

    I don’t know how red Missouri actually is or if it’s just getting fucked by some bad representation. (Don’t get me wrong, Missouri voted in Josh Hawley and Roy Blunt, it’s not perfect)

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They haven't gone Democrat in a single Presidential election since Bill Clinton in 1996. Almost 30 years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_Missouri

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    They'll forget about it when the petrolum they're dumping in the water hits the memory centers of their brains

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