cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/34331174

Published date: 7 August 2025 11:52 BST

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected calls from senior ministers to advance ceasefire negotiations and deliberately restricted all aid to Gaza in order to force a surrender from Hamas, internal government transcripts published by Israeli news outlet Channel 13 have revealed.

The transcripts from an Israeli war cabinet meeting on 1 March show that Netanyahu ignored repeated calls from senior defence officials to move to the second phase of the ceasefire agreement in order to secure the release of Israeli captives, and then to renew hostilities after.

Netanyahu instead chose to unilaterally break the ceasefire in March and bar all aid to Gaza, in the hopes of forcing a surrender by Hamas.

This was despite Hamas complying with the talks, contrary to the war cabinet’s expectations.

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[–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Another day and more evidence of Israel committing war crimes comes to the fore. The nations of the world remain silent.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    That's still an excuse to say he did it for a greater good. He did not. He wants Gaza exterminated because it's a simpler way to colonize.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    So terorrism and collective punishment.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago
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    [–] 120 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Netanyahu and a disturbing amount of others see all Palestinians as Hamas. They aren’t starving civilians to death to pressure Hamas. They’re genociding all Palestinians on purpose because they don’t see them as human beings. It’s unspeakably horrible, and it’s being silenced.

    The mainstream is hoping that when all Palestinians are dead or displaced they won’t have a voice to object.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    see all Palestinians as Hamas

    Despite opinion and anger here, there's a lot of truth to that. Imagine seeing your friends and family brutally murdered, or your friend shot in the kneecap as sport for some IDF fuck, and then saying you don't support any kind of resistance.

    And that sentiment, punctuated by Oct 7th, makes Israelis afraid, somewhat reasonably. The people they've oppressed will always be inclined to strike back. The people they're genociding would be even happier to genocide Israelis.

    The point is that there is no protagonist in this fight. There's nuance and no easy answers.

    None of that justifies the very clear and deliberate genocide Israel is carrying out. It was extremely clear this was their plan when they killed the World Central Kitchen people. They've planned this genocide, knowing exactly what they're doing and the consequences.

    It's the nation-state equivalent of a schoolyard fight where one student pulls a knife and slashes the other's throat. It doesn't matter how the fight started, or what their motivations were at the beginning, we don't stand for that kind of brutality. You have a right to defend yourself, but that is very clearly beyond justifiable.

    I feel like the people speaking out for Palestine are often making the same mistake DARE did with drugs in the 1990s. You can't make everything black & white, even with kids. The program would have been more effective had it acknowledged nuance and been more truthful.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Not that I think it's a big difference. It might be impossible to stop the genocide regardless of our approach here.

    Public sentiment here doesn't compare to the anti-Vietnam War sentiment, and I don't think changing the messaging slightly is going to change either that or the overall outcome.

    I'm proud of the people who have put themselves at risk to speak out, the ones who face real world consequences like Mahmoud Khalil.

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  • [+] -39 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    There were a few Palestinians protesting against Hamas a few months ago but Hamas killed them. That said, Hamas does have broad support in Gaza.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    If it's Hamas or the people actively murdering their children and starving them, then it's not much of a choice.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I'm friends with American Palestinians and American Jews and I'll say that the support of each side for their government is irrationally strong. Hamas is legitimately popular on its own. And very few say Hamas should turn in their weapons and release the hostages and surrender even though that would end the war overnight. In this regard, I feel they are similar to Russians & Putin. It just isn't rational. Hamas is causing harm to Palestinians.

    My solution isn't liked by either side. I say bring back the Ottoman Empire so both can be ruled by someone else. Neither can be trusted to respect the lives of the other without an even bigger entity above them both.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    How often do you mimic the face of a wolf with your hands?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    I'm not aware of ever having done that. Why?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    There's an extremist Turkish-Nationalist group, which would probably be very happy about your argument. They do that sign as an identifyer.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'll be honest, as a traditional Catholic, I'd be fine with Crusaders getting the job done, but I am willing to defer to the Ottomans. Either way, the children running Hamas & Israel need to be put in their place.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    LOL, so you're just a larping looser, got it. By the way, trad Caths are nowhere close to traditionally Catholicism, it's closer to fascism. This is coming from someone who grew up Catholic in the country who protects the pope.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I have my flaws. Thank you. But what about the topic we were discussing? Is that all you had to contribute?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    We have 1000's of years of experience, that outside authoritarian control of a population leads to unimaginable suffering and inevitable revenge. You just think you will always be the one on top.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You're cool with the IDF murdering and raping women and children, and starving the population to death? Your excuse for this is "Hamas."

    You're a fucking joke and you shouldn't talk about this topic until you learn more about it or become more intelligent.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Actually, I do not support murder or rape. Israel does have a right to retaliate against Hamas, assuring their complete surrender or annihilation, but they also have a duty to civilians that do not cooperate with Hamas. My speaking out against Hamas should not be understood to mean I support all actions of Israel.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Found the genocide supporting zionazi

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    I support the disarming and surrender of Hamas very specifically because it is for the good of Palestinian people. This is the surest way to stop the genocide. One Hamas is eliminated, everyone should recognize Gaza as an independent nation. They should be made to have a pacifist constitution and no offensive military capacity as a requirement for recognition.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago

    If you consider food a weapon, you have lost your humanity, and you will get no sympathy or support from me.

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It pisses me off, it's what all Israel's supporters say.

    "Oh it wouldn't be necessary if Hamas didn't make them do it."

    It sickens me that they believe any group of people to be such non-persons that it's justified to treat them this way..... These are human beings and what's happening to them is not cosmic accident or common misfortune. They're being tormented to death, by people who revel in causing pain.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    This is the end stage of the "War on Terror". We've fully internalized anyone with a Muslim faith (or with a skin tone associated with a Muslim faith) as a terrorist. Elderly civilians are simply terrorist who never got caught. Children are future terrorists. Everyone in between is a "Military Age" threat to national security.

    In the same way that Africans in America are correlated with criminals and gangsters, East Asians are marked out as academic cheats, Hispanics are labeled as lazy welfare queens, and the LGBTQ cohort are regularly called pedophiles, Arabs are de facto scary religious radicals. Killing them is no crime. It's always some form of self-defense.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Of course it is, Benjamin Netanyahu is a damn war criminal. Gaza is becoming one big Nazi death camp.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    W A R - C R I M E S

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lots of news from the 'no shit' category lately

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    At this point, who didn't already know that displacing (if not erasing) non-Israeli Gazans was the plan along?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Least surprising revelation ever. It's easy to have such ambitions when you don't consider an entire population people.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    Was it ever a question that it wasn’t on purpose?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    He needs to be hung for crimes against humanity.

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    Bibi is literally the 21st century Hitler. He's doing everything to the Palestinian people that Hitler did to European Jews except putting them in ovens. So far.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Yes the Netanyahu is made of Netanyahu

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    So many times I've seen Zionists argue against this. Wonder how they're gonna try to salvage it now?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Again, Netanyahu is a genocidal maniac that should be tried in Neurenberg and sentenced to death there just to make the fucking point.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I think you mean The Hague, that is where the ICC court is.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I know, but I do mean Neurenberg because of its historical significance in this case

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    We tried the Serbian genocidal war criminals there. It is more significant these days.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why dont israels population vote this dictator out

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Netanyahu is a terrible human being but an amazing politician.

    In Israel all governments are coalition governments, and as Netanyahu got less and less mainstream support he tacked further and further to the right, joining with crazy religious fundamentalists because that was the only way to stay in power.

    My understanding is that very shortly after losing power he will end up in court on corruption charges, and maybe die in prison. Not because of crimes against humanity, but for crimes against Israel.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is probably one of the top 10 dumbest war strategies in history. Make the population of the region you're eventually seeking to occupy hate you even more, and on top of that, it makes the very foolish assumption that Hamas leadership would give up if they see their Gazans suffer, which is so naïve it'd be funny if it weren't so sad. Hamas leadership doesn't give a shit if ordinary Gazans starve. In fact, they probably think it's all the better for their recruiting numbers, seeing that I have yet to see a single Hamas fighter suffering from malnutrition on the level of ordinary Gazans.

    To external observers paying attention, this can only lead one to conclude either Netanyahu is a terrible military strategist or he's using this "strategy" as a cover to snuff out the entire Arab population of Gaza. For all I know, both are true!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Was this ever in question?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Remember everybody, jizzrael started the ethnic cleansing in the forties with the nakba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Right after the Holocaust.

    There are many other countries with similar examples

    It's almost as if human beings, from any and all races, are always controlled by a small group of assholes who like nothing more but to have power at any cost

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    shun and exile. let him roam the earth seeking shelter and food.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I don't believe it. I think Hamas is the excuse, starvation is the objective.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Doesn’t matter. The laws of war don’t matter if you don’t subscribe and they’re not enforced.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Did he starve Hamas? Or did he starve Gazans while Hamas leaders were unaffected, accessing food as they wish? I think we know the answer.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    basically holdomer, like what russia did with ukraine.

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians!

    We will collectively punish Palestinians to put pressure on Hamas

    Israel in a nutshell.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    We don't need leaks to know that. Just look at the Israelis deliberately stopping aid and food trucks going into Gaza. It's not just Bibi. Most of the Israelis seem very okay with this, and some even participate into blocking food and aid. So, no surprise there.

    EDIT: Oh and let's not forget the Israelis that are organizing BBQs on the side of the border. I'm sure it's all a misunderstanding.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    No shit, other than the 'to cause hamas surrender' bit which is another unsurprising lie

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Don't believe this BS. It was never about forcing Hamas to surrender. It is about killing as many Palestinians as possible.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Seems needs to just ask the question, what does Hamas surrendering actually look like to netenyahu? How exactly does he even propose they seek surrender at the current time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    There's still the political organization with leaders and they claim to have a few hostages that are still alive.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Yeah like I said what does surrender actually look like?

    They don't really acknowledge them as legitimate so there's that. They also fund Hamas to keep it going. They kill their leadership leading up to negotiations then violate deals and cry about "having" to break them. They're actively fighting and it occupying I think all but one of their neighbors.

    The vast majority of known hostages killed lately are all due to Israel directly. They say they know the location and then end up killing everyone in and around it and go OMG they killed that hostage!

    So legit, they want terrorists to surrender to save civilians they also say the same terrorists are using as human shields. Oh and I forgot literally everyone is Hamas, doctors, cops, teachers, children, babies, buildings, cars, infrastructure,.... Fuckin food....

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    Leaks ? They're admitting it openly

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It’s not even a leak if Netanyahu is tweeting in Hebrew that he’s blocking all aid from entering Gaza.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    ✨✨✨✨WAR CRIMES ✨✨✨✨

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    just another evidence in a pile of them showing that netanyahu is a war criminal.

    but he's best friends with the west, so oh well.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Warsaw Ghetto repeat. Albert Einstein is 100% correct!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    War criminal.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    It was Israel itself which put Hamas in Gaza, supporting these with weapons and money, justifying this way the war against Palestina since more than half a century. Israel has free hand to do whatever they want, while there is the support by our good US boys and the UN is a mere Fake to calm the people, making believe that with this something will be done with their small talks

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)
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    Many Israeli leaders and academics have publicly agreed with this observation. For example, the former director of religious affairs in Israel, Avner Cohen, said that Israel pushed Hamas into taking action against Fatah and the PA. Back in 2001, Yasser Arafat described Hamas as a “creation of Israel” in an interview. Under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, some of Israel’s recent steps have, inadvertently, assisted Hamas.

    Netanyahu believed Hamas helped keep Palestinians divided between areas controlled by the PA and Hamas, stopping the creation of a Palestinian state. To maintain a fragile truce and ensure Hamas remained focused on the government, he supposedly allowed Qatar’s money to enter Gaza via Israeli crossings.

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    [+] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    We need new Nuremberg Tribunal.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    If they're going to be allowed to complete their genocide, I think everyone should go scorched earth on the region. Committing genocide should mean you lose your own state. Raze all of Israel, and let the land be reclaimed by the neighbors.

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    What's next, a leak saying that the sky is blue?

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