Thanks so much for your interest in our community! Don't worry we have the rest of lemmy to hear how men feel. We are women only so I've had to ban you, and wish you all the best ❤️

Walking on eggshells = not able to say dumb racist shit without getting called out.

Hi starman thanks so much for popping in! As you've knowingly broken the rules several times I have had to ban you. Hope you understand ❤️

Your neeeeeeeeed to be heaaaaaaard is Not Our Problem

Thanks dil as requested I've banned you, have a lovely night 🌙

jesus CHRIST dude.

This is just a place where women can talk. We have one rule: Don't comment as a guy. That's it. that's all it is. But that's too much for you, you have to sob, wail fall to your knees beating your breast at how the internet has lost any place where people can just be nice.

It's a bullshit shaming schtick and nobody here is buying it. Don't fucking hold us to a level you don't sermonise for anywhere else, you're fooling no one. Which is why you can't shut the almighty fuck up about it.

Seriously, they must have no idea how many men use their partner are their sole emotional outlet.

We hear everything. Pillow talk gets pretty deep, possibly because a lot of men feel a comfort from a loving partner that they receive nowhere else. We hear their worries, their traumas, their insecurities. We understand and sympathize with men's issues a lot more than men seem to realize.

Also, to the male lurkers: thank you for not commenting. I know it's gotta be hard to have to hold back, but we appreciate it.

"You can't even tell a coworker that you think she's cute any more!"

My brother in Christ, the new intern doesn't need comments on her looks from someone who is (1) higher than she is on the org chart and (2) older than her actual father. Just stop.

If you wouldn't say it to a male coworker, don't say it to any coworker. It's not that hard.

so wait,

• You knew you weren't supposed to comment here
• You knew you weren't going to find a receptive audience
• You knew you weren't even going to get a conversion going

But you still felt we absolutely had to hear you going on drawing false conclusion after false conclusion, pompously waffling and lecturing.

The hide on you.

Fucking christ, what a reaction to "This is women talking"

Fuck off with this bullshit! I'm white and bald with a beard. I'm doing just fine. The trick is being on the correct side.

It would only be ironic if the women of Lemmy were the most powerful people on the platform and used that power to silence men across the website. As it stands, women are a superminority on the fediverse, and men have the numbers to run roughshod on these communities and effectively prevent them from being spaces where women communicate with each other. This is an ongoing concern on c/witchesvspatriarchy, where thread after thread gets derailed from its original purpose by men. The goal isn't to censor you so much as defend ourselves. So it's not ironic.

Especially since c/menslib could make its community men-only and you wouldn't hear any complaining from me.

I wonder if the Fox News thing was from before or after compliance task forces started confiscating posters from the workplace that had sayings like "Spread Kindness Everywhere" bc it promotes harmful DEI?

Bc I feel like even if that had ever been true, it really just doesn't hit the same these days when everybody has to walk on eggshells as they learn what all was included in diversity, equity, and inclusion.

Oh, you're the first in your family to go to college? You think men can be nurses too? You think it was kind of fucked up they just fired Carol after 30 yrs bc she had cancer and would need to take leave? You best shut your mouth with that woke bullshit.

The only fear is for my fellow blue collar white workers to find out I'm not as fascist or pedo-loving as they are.

Afraid to speak freely about what?

Everyone knows how men feel, there is no shortage of them voicing that at every opportunity, regardless if it having any validity.

You gonna cry? Are you just so fucking persecuted that you have to be a loudmouth disappointing little crybaby fuck about it? This is what the holocaust felt like, huh, little baby?

Can't even be a hateful bigot at work

I think what we're seeing is different work environments and different subcultures. The experience is not universal between, say, rural vs. inner-city; between left- and right- leaning areas; in different companies. A man might need to "walk on egg-shells" if, say, he's working in a queer arts club in new york, where "walking on egg-shells" might mean e.g. he could get fired for opining that the phrase "toxic masculinity" is sexist. But this won't really resonate with, say, a black woman working at mcdonald's in texas who overhears her male coworkers say racist and sexist shit all the time.

The source claiming men are walking on eggshells is literally fox news and you still try and pull the "you women" card

Absolute clown.

I don't think it's that bad anymore, but there definitely was a time during the late 2010s where the man-hating got a bit too much in my opinion. Maybe I was just exposed to it more due being in an industry that attracts a lot of hyper idealistic people who are oddly comfortable being very antagonistic toward white men especially. According to my boyfriend, he hasn't really seen or experienced any of the behavior I was witnessing evolving over the years but he is also not really part of "my world" so to speak.

I think it very much depend on what environment you're in. Just like there has been a lot of focus on women harassed at their male dominated workplace. It's definitely real and they definitely have experienced that, but it doesn't mean it is a 100% universal experience. I personally haven't experienced harassment from men in the workplace, but there definitely are women out there who haven't been so lucky. It really comes down to what the work culture is and whether it is built on mutual respect or bully-like hierarchies. The latter is the type of work environment I will avoid like the plague until I die.

Anyway, I am sure that there are white men out there who feel antagonized at work, but it's not universal and it is most likely in very specific areas where the work culture adheres to the most extreme fringes of leftwing ideology. Could also be in the opposite of that if the white man doesn't live up to whatever they think makes a man a man in the extreme rightwing workplaces these days.

Every time I start to feel bad for these men, I remember every time I was either victimized or made to feel uncomfortable on purpose and I no longer feel bad about it. I think there is an aspect of me that is able to sympathize, but a bigger part is fucking bitter and wants to see them get a taste of their own medicine.

oh is it my turn now?

ahem...

please read the rules. Women's only community.

Sorry about how you're feeling, I do sympathize, but please share it elsewhere.

Of course you don't care. You're a man! You simply must be heard. Especially when your precious fee-fees are hurt. We all know, after all, how fragile and emotional men are, what with all the hormones coursing through their bodies turning them into unreasoning, quivering piles of fraught emotion!

Why - did they hear people had eggshells they don't want walked on?

Only brown eggs.

Thanks so much for dropping by! Ive had to ban you due to your behaviour, I hope you understand ❤️

If it makes you feel any better, it's actually a result of psychological warfare in a post-mutual destruction world.

great opinion from someone who's never ever commented on any post in this community save to complain about it being exclusionary after it pinged on the Upset Male Radar

You wouldn't be walking on eggshells if you didn't want to say shit that'd upset people

I don't sympathize anymore.

Lol. Lmfao. Hahahahaha

I can assure you in the construction industry they are saying and doing every little thing they want without any consequences bless their hearts

Jesus christ. I saw a thread in some other community the other day about Women's Stuff and the men wah-wah-wahing like little babies about this sub were ridiculous. Same thing - in that thread some man was saying that when he replied to threads here he felt like he had to walk on eggshells.

You guys, all we want is one tiny corner of lemmy to ourselves. Somewhere we can talk about things that uniquely affect us -or- perhaps they affect men too but they affect us in a unique way due to our gender. And many men are cool with this concept and generally supportive (and a sincere thank you to those guys!) but a significant number are butthurt little babies about being unwanted here.

Those are the same butthurt little babies in the Fox News poll. If you can't keep it civil in the workplace I don't know what to tell you other than you're a low-quality human. Have some fucking empathy.

Edit: here's the post I was talking about.

As a white man on the work I am indeed afraid to speak freely about breadcrumb salary, micromanagement and unrealistic deadlines.

Have you considered the health benefits of eating 10k calories a day, then chasing the dragon off to dreamland every night?

Because i have.

I mean... Good? We nowadays have these things called "societal norms", which means everyone needs to think before they open their big stupid mouths.

You know what real pros do? They were already aware of this, and were already doing this.

If you have to be taught these lessons now, well, take it as a learning opportunity. Expand your horizons. Enhance your compassion.

At least my women coworkers in Ottawa were straight-up and in my face with their racism.

BFH: talking about Chinese people You know that they just don't value life like we do.

Everybody Else: looks at me sitting at the same damned table

BFH: Oh not you Dianne! We all know you're one of the good ones.

I'm better equipped to deal with that kind of naked aggression than I am at the kind that's quiet and sullen when I'm around but that pipes up when I'm out of the room.

Very cool.

This isn't the place for your feelings. You were, in fact, asked explicitly to not comment. Why the fuck did you think you were entitled to?

Do you have literally any self awareness?

Don't actually answer any of that here. I already know the answer. I think the idea of this place was for it to be a place women could talk about stuff without being dogpiled by subhuman filth, and not need to spemd rhe entire conversation explaining incredibly basic ehit to 'people' who are determined to not understand it.

Tell you what, edit that comment with a link to an explanation of all your feelings. Promise I'll be nice.

Im getting popcorn. You're great.

As a white man I find walking on eggshells to have an extreme rejuvenating effect on my skin, making my feet feel soft, refreshed, and ready to take whatever the night has to offer.

You dont know what the hell you're talking about, ask a trans guy, someone who has had both sets of experiences and whom you may actually listen to.

Note to the men reading this, you can upvote comments you agree with freely.

Remember, the comment section on every internet post about feminism only goes to show, um, how provocative this kind of rhetoric is.

Well we could just chase you off with horrifically abusive commentary, doxxing, rape threats and the usual methods but it seemed like too much work.

Maybe every man needs a good reminder why hurting others is wrong. If some don't hurt people they have nothing to worry about. Maybe those who are so resistant to seeing positive change have heavy burdens they are carrying and should look inward instead of outward.

Suffer how? Suffer from the consequences of your own actions? Fine! Let every person on earth answer for their crimes against others.

Women have been walking on eggshells among other horrors for 99.9% of recorded history for no reason, but we haven't had the privilege until very recently to call it out. Men have to suffer consequences by witnessing the harm of their own actions for .00000001% of history and expect everyone else to weep for them. Either take some responsibility or shut the fuck up and let us have our fucking MOMENT of justice.

I had to move half-way around the planet to get in touch with the half of my heritage that I'd drowned out (to the point of being a total banana) to even understand just how toxic it is to be a "visible minority" (and that term by itself now raises a huge number of red flags for me!) in Canada. So now I push back. Hard.

Gotta love this take on "shitting on".

You: "Endure" mild criticism of broadcasting your point of view 24×7 in every conceivable locale (to the point you're broadcasting it now in a group explicitly asking you not to do it).

We: Endure non-stop sexist comments, sexual advances, sexual assaults and, upon suggesting that perhaps this is not such a good idea, get dog-piled by men with hurt fee-fees, get doxxed, get threats of active sexual assault, and in extreme cases take beatings and even get murdered.

We are not the same. Our concerns are not the same. Don't be a putz and pretend they are.